(04-02-2020 10:12 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Are we allowed to criticize the President's response to Covid-19?

Does that make me "Team over Country" because I think he could have done a better job?

Democrats hate America. Admit that then go for it

(04-02-2020 10:45 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:12 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Are we allowed to criticize the President's response to Covid-19?
Does that make me "Team over Country" because I think he could have done a better job?

Depends on whether you actually have some understanding of the situation and some specific criticisms to offer based upon that understanding, or you are simply parroting "Orange Man Bad" because that's all you know.

So, what are your specifics?

I think the measures he has put in place now are generally okay. I'm glad he reversed course and kept social distancing policies in place until the end of the month. My criticism mostly centers on how he spent the first few months downplaying the crisis. Trump treated it so nonchalantly that it put a false sense of security in a lot of people which in turn may have accelerated its spread in the early days.

LOL. Would you like to see a few early quotes from some of your faves? Like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo, Di Blasio, etc.

(04-02-2020 10:45 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:27 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:12 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Are we allowed to criticize the President's response to Covid-19?
Does that make me "Team over Country" because I think he could have done a better job?

Depends on whether you actually have some understanding of the situation and some specific criticisms to offer based upon that understanding, or you are simply parroting "Orange Man Bad" because that's all you know.

So, what are your specifics?

I think the measures he has put in place now are generally okay. I'm glad he reversed course and kept social distancing policies in place until the end of the month. My criticism mostly centers on how he spent the first few months downplaying the crisis. Trump treated it so nonchalantly that it put a false sense of security in a lot of people which in turn may have accelerated its spread in the early days.

I would argue that he calmed people instead of creating a panic. It was a sharp contrast from Obama during the recession. Obama was belly-aching every day about how bad it was and how it was going to get worse. What Obama did was personally make it worse because he destroyed consumer confidence. Bill Clinton finally had to tell him to just shut up in February. Trump's response will tend to discourage panic buying and fear, the opposite of what the media is doing with their sensationalism.

And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

(04-02-2020 12:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

Scum of the earth.

(04-02-2020 12:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

Are you serious?

I'm actually glad if she did. Swing voters will absolutely NAIL her for this.... likely cost her the house

(04-02-2020 12:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

What a great time to play politics...... I can only hope that the investigation includes her urging all to feel free to go to Chinatown back in January as well......

(04-02-2020 12:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 12:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

Are you serious?

I'm actually glad if she did. Swing voters will absolutely NAIL her for this.... likely cost her the house

Yep, if that is true she pretty much help guarantee Trump's reelection. They will never learn.

(04-02-2020 11:17 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Lol

A half hour ago you were telling people no one should listen to a word the Drumpf has to say, now you’re telling us people weren’t thinking for themselves but just hanging on every word the Orange Russian and Ukrainian (?) agent had to say. So which is it?

Where did I say either of those? You sure do have quite the imagination.

JMUDunk Wrote:Is he still a RACISSS!!! For closing that chinese pipeline of this virus, or was that a smart move? Now the left is all crying he should have done it SOONER!

Trump restricting travel from foreign nationals on January 31st was the right call. He did so after three major US airlines (American, Delta, and United) already stopped service to China, but I'll still give Trump credit there.

For the record, Biden called Trump xenophobic, not a racist. There's also no evidence that he was saying this directly in reference to Trump restricting travel from China:

Quote:Trump said Democrats “loudly criticized and protested” his announced travel restrictions, and that they “called me a racist because I made that decision.” Trump is overstating Democratic opposition. None of the party’s congressional leaders and none of the Democratic candidates running for president have directly criticized that decision, though at least two Democrats have.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-fa...trictions/

He then spent the month of February saying this was no big deal and we've got this handled, which we know now was total bull ****.

(04-02-2020 12:05 PM)TripleA Wrote:  LOL. Would you like to see a few early quotes from some of your faves? Like Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo, Di Blasio, etc.

I mean... the topic being discussed is Trump, his administration, and their reactions to the coronavirus pandemic.. but since you're so adamant about derailing the conversation with "muh whatabout the democrats"....

Sure.

Share them.

(04-02-2020 11:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:12 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Are we allowed to criticize the President's response to Covid-19?

Does that make me "Team over Country" because I think he could have done a better job?

I am thankful we didnt have a moron like Biden in charge or even someone like Obama. If you want to pass blame, why did Obama deplete all the supplies and refuse to restock?

Yes, it does seem that the Obama administration didn't replenish supplies after the H1N1 outbreak under his term. He does deserve part of the blame. That said, Mr. "I alone can fix it" could have easily taken charge and replenished it himself in the three years he's been President.

Also, please provide proof that Obama "refused to restock"....

Meanwhile....

(04-02-2020 11:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Why did Obama do everything he could to cut funding to the CDC before he left office?

I was not aware of this. Can you provide you source that details how Obama did everything he could to cut funding to the CDC?

(04-02-2020 12:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 12:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

Are you serious?

I'm actually glad if she did. Swing voters will absolutely NAIL her for this.... likely cost her the house

Horrible mistake by Pelosi. trump is hanging himself all by himself IMO. All this will accomplish is to give trump a new foil to rail against and take the focus off his bungling of the response.

(04-02-2020 02:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 12:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 12:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

Are you serious?

I'm actually glad if she did. Swing voters will absolutely NAIL her for this.... likely cost her the house

Horrible mistake by Pelosi. trump is hanging himself all by himself IMO. All this will accomplish is to give trump a new foil to rail against and take the focus off his bungling of the response.

What other responses should he have taken in FEB?

My question to those that want to criticize Trump now is are you on board with full criticism and legitmate action (not war) against the CHINESE REGIME.

I don't have any issue with someone that wants to criticize The President although I would say now isn't the appropriate time. More importantly, I'd highly caution criticism and wait until more conclusive outcomes are determined by actions that have/have not been taken as this is a rapidly changing situation and like the last 3-4 years most of you will come off looking as dumba$$es.

(04-02-2020 10:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 10:12 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Are we allowed to criticize the President's response to Covid-19?

Does that make me "Team over Country" because I think he could have done a better job?

Do you think Biden could have done a better job? Biden criticized Trump of being racist when he closed off travel from China.

Not quite...

Quote:Our ruling

Speaking of his restriction on travel from China, Trump said, “I had Biden calling me xenophobic. ... . He called me a racist, because of the fact that he felt it was a racist thing to stop people from China coming in.”

Biden has not directly said that the restrictions were xenophobic. Around the time the Trump administration announced the travel restriction, Biden said that Trump had a “record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.” Biden used the phrase “xenophobic” in reply to a Trump tweet about limiting entry to travelers from China and in which he described the coronavirus as the “Chinese virus.” Biden did not spell out which part of Trump’s tweet was xenophobic.

Trump’s statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. We rate it Mostly False.

Fact-check: Did Biden call Trump ‘xenophobic’ for China travel restrictions?

(04-02-2020 02:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  My question to those that want to criticize Trump now is are you on board with full criticism and legitmate action (not war) against the CHINESE REGIME.

I don't have any issue with someone that wants to criticize The President although I would say now isn't the appropriate time. More importantly, I'd highly caution criticism and wait until more conclusive outcomes are determined by actions that have/have not been taken as this is a rapidly changing situation and like the last 3-4 years most of you will come off looking as dumba$$es.

If we can prove something, by all means, do what we can against them.

And I think current criticism during this crisis might actually be a good thing if it makes him change to the correct policy such as abandoning his "aspiration" to be open by Easter, etc.

(04-02-2020 12:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 12:07 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  And the c*nt Pelosi just announced a House committee to investigate Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. Named the asshat Clyburn as lead. These are despicable people.

Are you serious?

I'm actually glad if she did. Swing voters will absolutely NAIL her for this.... likely cost her the house

Can Trump ask for a SC or SP to take a look into Granny nanny's withholding funds to aid American citizens while people died?

Think I'll touch base with my House rep, see what her opinion is on this latest taxpayer funded snipe hunt charade.

(04-02-2020 02:00 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  For the record, Biden called Trump xenophobic, not a racist. There's also no evidence that he was saying this directly in reference to Trump restricting travel from China:

The name is a distinction without a meaningful difference in context. The correction is done as a means to imply 'weight' through 'volume of mis-statements'. I understand he also used a comma when he should have used a semi-colon (using that as an example of implying weight through volume)

Given that Biden made the comment the day after Trump's decision, and that nobody had spoken about 'China Virus' or anything else... there absolutely IS evidence that this is what it was in reference to, it just isn't undeniable.

If Biden were relating it to the 'China Virus' comment, that phrase wasn't in the vernacular at the time... meaning that Biden was inserting 'nationality' himself.
If Biden were simply inserting it into the conversation without context... again, he'd be the one engaging in Xenophobia.

I can quite literally think of no reason for Biden to insert that comment into the conversation, other than in direct response to the previous days action... or because he himself was engaging in Xenophobia (blaming China) and projecting that onto Trump.... not letting a catastrophe go to waste...

Either way, Trump's comment (which really means nothing) is not an unreasonable interpretation of Biden's comment.... whether or not it is 100% undeniably the correct one.

Given how often the left has meaningfully taken Trump's comments and edited them to imply something he absolutely didn't say, this sort of correction is laughable to anyone but the left.

(04-02-2020 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 02:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  My question to those that want to criticize Trump now is are you on board with full criticism and legitmate action (not war) against the CHINESE REGIME.

I don't have any issue with someone that wants to criticize The President although I would say now isn't the appropriate time. More importantly, I'd highly caution criticism and wait until more conclusive outcomes are determined by actions that have/have not been taken as this is a rapidly changing situation and like the last 3-4 years most of you will come off looking as dumba$$es.

If we can prove something, by all means, do what we can against them.

And I think current criticism during this crisis might actually be a good thing if it makes him change to the correct policy such as abandoning his "aspiration" to be open by Easter, etc.

He's already pushed the date out to APR 30th. Re-evaluations are happening on a daily basis I imagine so picking a point to return to normal is a moving target.

(04-02-2020 02:43 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 02:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  My question to those that want to criticize Trump now is are you on board with full criticism and legitmate action (not war) against the CHINESE REGIME.

I don't have any issue with someone that wants to criticize The President although I would say now isn't the appropriate time. More importantly, I'd highly caution criticism and wait until more conclusive outcomes are determined by actions that have/have not been taken as this is a rapidly changing situation and like the last 3-4 years most of you will come off looking as dumba$$es.

If we can prove something, by all means, do what we can against them.

And I think current criticism during this crisis might actually be a good thing if it makes him change to the correct policy such as abandoning his "aspiration" to be open by Easter, etc.

Prove what? They have been the source of a world wide pandemic 3 times in the last 20 years. What else needs to be proven? Idk WTF your even talking about?

And to Easter? Again WTF are you talking about? We aren't going to be open by Easter. Have you not watched any of the press conferences in the past week? That decision was changed after further analysis of new data that came in in the past couple of weeks.