(03-30-2020 11:28 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  No, you explain to me the opportunity we passed on

5 years before LHN your AD came to ours, a guy nicknamed “Dollar Bill” for his love of any new revenue source if it was even halfway viable, and openly told him that this joint network would have to be funded by the schools and wouldn’t make a profit

Explain why that was an amazing deal that we should have taken

It was a couple years before. Dodds thought it might pay a little. It might cost a little. Dodds pursued it and it turned out to be very profitable. Byrne likes to say Dodds never offered me an $11 million a year deal but its really a typical pathetic Aggie way of explaining he turned down the chance to be on the ground floor of a great deal.

This was years before realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changed the game

It’s 100% disingenuous to act like Dodd’s’ proposed no profit network at the time was what led to LHN and not ESPN, years later and in totally different circumstances, making a move to try and prevent further realignment and keep UT in the B12 with a huge deal

The proposal at the time was not an amazing deal at all and and no one could have predicted what happened later with realignment

Hell Im even secure enough to admit a big reason Byrne probably didn’t pursue it was that at the time we didn’t have spare cash to throw at a start up that even by your own ADs admission wouldn’t be profitable

Can you be a big enough man to admit that what was proposed at the time was not some amazing deal at all and what ESPN offered later was a totally different offer under radically different circumstances?

(03-30-2020 10:19 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 08:00 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  What horn always leaves out in their “we offered A&M to be part of our network, but they refused because they didn’t think it would profitable” story is that their offer wasn’t for a ESPN backed deal like LHN but rather a self funded network paid for by both schools

Um, why would anyone be obligated to mention that it was an offer for a start-up rather than an ESPN deal? It's a fact that Texas called up A&M and inquired about their interest in starting a joint network. That's all that need be said about it.

Exactly. Aggie blew an opportunity and so did the Big12 when they blew the opportunity to have a Big12 network. The LHN just fell into Texas lap. ESPN erroneously thought that they could get away with including stuff on the LHN that was not kosher with the other Big12 schools and the NCAA. So they overpaid for the LHN big time.

You cannot blame Texas for taking the deal.

(03-30-2020 12:11 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  This was years before realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changed the game

It’s 100% disingenuous to act like Dodd’s’ proposed no profit network at the time was what led to LHN and not ESPN, years later and in totally different circumstances, making a move to try and prevent further realignment and keep UT in the B12 with a huge deal

The proposal at the time was not an amazing deal at all and and no one could have predicted what happened later with realignment

Hell Im even secure enough to admit a big reason Byrne probably didn’t pursue it was that at the time we didn’t have spare cash to throw at a start up that even by your own ADs admission wouldn’t be profitable

Can you be a big enough man to admit that what was proposed at the time was not some amazing deal at all and what ESPN offered later was a totally different offer under radically different circumstances?

You aren't and Byrne aren't man enough to admit Texas made a good choice and Byrne made a poor choice without throwing a bunch of spin. Its pathetic and its such an Aggie thing to do.

In the original post I pointed out that nobody thought it would be worth more than $3 million a year even a month before ESPN made their offer.

(03-30-2020 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:11 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  This was years before realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changed the game

It’s 100% disingenuous to act like Dodd’s’ proposed no profit network at the time was what led to LHN and not ESPN, years later and in totally different circumstances, making a move to try and prevent further realignment and keep UT in the B12 with a huge deal

The proposal at the time was not an amazing deal at all and and no one could have predicted what happened later with realignment

Hell Im even secure enough to admit a big reason Byrne probably didn’t pursue it was that at the time we didn’t have spare cash to throw at a start up that even by your own ADs admission wouldn’t be profitable

Can you be a big enough man to admit that what was proposed at the time was not some amazing deal at all and what ESPN offered later was a totally different offer under radically different circumstances?

You aren't and Byrne aren't man enough to admit Texas made a good choice and Byrne made a poor choice without throwing a bunch of spin. Its pathetic and its such an Aggie thing to do.

In the original post I pointed out that nobody thought it would be worth more than $3 million a year even a month before ESPN made their offer.

I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Why cant YOU admit that the deal Dodds offered Byrne was not a great deal and was not in any way related to LHN because NOBODY at the time Byrne or Dodds, could have predicted realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changing the game?

I wonder what the buyout clause would be if ESPN wanted to make the LHN channel into the Big 12 conference network. BTW, Texas and ESPN should air high school games on the channel regardless.

Well the NCAA ruled against it so maybe take it up with them?

(03-30-2020 12:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Texas (of course) made a good deal with ESPN for the LHN. They get $15m a year until the 2030s for their junk sports. That's almost as much as Notre Dame gets for everything for crissakes. Would be the Deal of the Century but for ...

Texas A&M making the deal to join the SEC. The SEC is way better for TAMU than was the Big 12. Deal of the Century so far.

(03-30-2020 03:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Texas (of course) made a good deal with ESPN for the LHN. They get $15m a year until the 2030s for their junk sports. That's almost as much as Notre Dame gets for everything for crissakes. Would be the Deal of the Century but for ...

Texas A&M making the deal to join the SEC. The SEC is way better for TAMU than was the Big 12. Deal of the Century so far.

70 Million a year does have a nice ring to it!

(03-30-2020 03:07 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Texas (of course) made a good deal with ESPN for the LHN. They get $15m a year until the 2030s for their junk sports. That's almost as much as Notre Dame gets for everything for crissakes. Would be the Deal of the Century but for ...

Texas A&M making the deal to join the SEC. The SEC is way better for TAMU than was the Big 12. Deal of the Century so far.

70 Million a year does have a nice ring to it!

sec pays aggy 70 mil a year? with that.. why is that school becoming a diploma mill?...and still asking the state for money?

Dude, the insecure trolling is really childish. I get you’re new here but we have a rivalries forum where you go vent and lay down all the lame smack you want. But out here try to keep it civil and on topic

What did I say that was so bad? Aggy? It's how we always spelled it (Born and raised in Austin). And the diploma mill thing? It's true as is the asking the state for more money. My sister in law works at a private school in Austin who is in charge of college admissions for the students. So my brother (UT grad, btw) tells me how the acceptance rate is so high because they are churning that school into a diploma mill.

Again I'm not trolling, I didn't realize sec was giving out 70 plus million dollar payouts to aggys. Crazy.

And I’m officially done with you. Just another reminder of how right we were.

(03-30-2020 03:26 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  And I’m officially done with you. Just another reminder of how right we were.

LOL.. so I see the aggy code of honor is wrong again.. saw on the other thread that SEC payouts weren't 70 mil.. I'm just gonna assume you were adding the donations for the stadium into that revenue.. have a great day sir..no hard feelings #HookEM

I only reply to you here to correct your falsehoods. I never said we made that amount yet. You made that assumption on your own. Good day to you.

(03-30-2020 03:37 PM)Thiefery Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:26 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  And I’m officially done with you. Just another reminder of how right we were.

LOL.. so I see the aggy code of honor is wrong again.. saw on the other thread that SEC payouts weren't 70 mil.. I'm just gonna assume you were adding the donations for the stadium into that revenue.. have a great day sir..no hard feelings #HookEM

The payouts per team for the SEC beginning at the end of the 2024 season will be a (minimum) of 67 million. 67 million was the figure at which CBS walked away. The ABC/ESPN offer was more. We just don't know how much more. Thompson (a CEO of a firm that handles Coca-Cola and Disney productions) intimated it could be as high as 83 million per school when the final figures are in. We know that the ABC/ESPN bid that made CBS walk away was higher than 350 million. We know that FOX made a bid the first week of January and that ABC/ESPN countered.

So the SEC's worst actual number on the table is 67 million (which could start sooner if ABC was successful in buying out the CBS's final 3 years of the contract. We also know that it is highly likely that the final amount exceeds 70 million per school.

Now that's the long and short of it so quit your quibbling and wait for the magic final number like the rest of us. I'm pretty sure Greg Sankey is sitting on the biggest news in his tenure so far so he can have his moment at the Spring meeting, which he deserves.

(03-30-2020 12:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:11 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  This was years before realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changed the game

It’s 100% disingenuous to act like Dodd’s’ proposed no profit network at the time was what led to LHN and not ESPN, years later and in totally different circumstances, making a move to try and prevent further realignment and keep UT in the B12 with a huge deal

The proposal at the time was not an amazing deal at all and and no one could have predicted what happened later with realignment

Hell Im even secure enough to admit a big reason Byrne probably didn’t pursue it was that at the time we didn’t have spare cash to throw at a start up that even by your own ADs admission wouldn’t be profitable

Can you be a big enough man to admit that what was proposed at the time was not some amazing deal at all and what ESPN offered later was a totally different offer under radically different circumstances?

You aren't and Byrne aren't man enough to admit Texas made a good choice and Byrne made a poor choice without throwing a bunch of spin. Its pathetic and its such an Aggie thing to do.

In the original post I pointed out that nobody thought it would be worth more than $3 million a year even a month before ESPN made their offer.

I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Why cant YOU admit that the deal Dodds offered Byrne was not a great deal and was not in any way related to LHN because NOBODY at the time Byrne or Dodds, could have predicted realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changing the game?

That was all pointed out in the original post. And that you can't let it go demonstrates Aggie culture in all its glory. You should adopt the culture of the school you actually attend.

(03-30-2020 04:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:11 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  This was years before realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changed the game

It’s 100% disingenuous to act like Dodd’s’ proposed no profit network at the time was what led to LHN and not ESPN, years later and in totally different circumstances, making a move to try and prevent further realignment and keep UT in the B12 with a huge deal

The proposal at the time was not an amazing deal at all and and no one could have predicted what happened later with realignment

Hell Im even secure enough to admit a big reason Byrne probably didn’t pursue it was that at the time we didn’t have spare cash to throw at a start up that even by your own ADs admission wouldn’t be profitable

Can you be a big enough man to admit that what was proposed at the time was not some amazing deal at all and what ESPN offered later was a totally different offer under radically different circumstances?

You aren't and Byrne aren't man enough to admit Texas made a good choice and Byrne made a poor choice without throwing a bunch of spin. Its pathetic and its such an Aggie thing to do.

In the original post I pointed out that nobody thought it would be worth more than $3 million a year even a month before ESPN made their offer.

I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Why cant YOU admit that the deal Dodds offered Byrne was not a great deal and was not in any way related to LHN because NOBODY at the time Byrne or Dodds, could have predicted realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changing the game?

That was all pointed out in the original post. And that you can't let it go demonstrates Aggie culture in all its glory. You should adopt the culture of the school you actually attend.

Your UT arrogance is on full display.

You simply can’t admit that offer Dodds made Byrne wasn’t a good one because it wouldn’t have made money.

You insist he was wrong because somehow he couldn’t predict that years in the future, realignment would radically shift the college landscape and the B12 would damn near collapse and because of that, in a once ever confluence of events, ESPN would drop the mother of all deals into UTs lap in order to prevent more realignment. A deal that never would have happened if the status quo had continued.

That you can’t see that and insist our AD made a terrible mistake for somehow not foreseeing that is the worst sort of 2020 hindsight arrogance

(03-30-2020 04:40 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 04:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:11 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  This was years before realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changed the game

It’s 100% disingenuous to act like Dodd’s’ proposed no profit network at the time was what led to LHN and not ESPN, years later and in totally different circumstances, making a move to try and prevent further realignment and keep UT in the B12 with a huge deal

The proposal at the time was not an amazing deal at all and and no one could have predicted what happened later with realignment

Hell Im even secure enough to admit a big reason Byrne probably didn’t pursue it was that at the time we didn’t have spare cash to throw at a start up that even by your own ADs admission wouldn’t be profitable

Can you be a big enough man to admit that what was proposed at the time was not some amazing deal at all and what ESPN offered later was a totally different offer under radically different circumstances?

You aren't and Byrne aren't man enough to admit Texas made a good choice and Byrne made a poor choice without throwing a bunch of spin. Its pathetic and its such an Aggie thing to do.

In the original post I pointed out that nobody thought it would be worth more than $3 million a year even a month before ESPN made their offer.

I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Why cant YOU admit that the deal Dodds offered Byrne was not a great deal and was not in any way related to LHN because NOBODY at the time Byrne or Dodds, could have predicted realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changing the game?

That was all pointed out in the original post. And that you can't let it go demonstrates Aggie culture in all its glory. You should adopt the culture of the school you actually attend.

Your UT arrogance is on full display.

You simply can’t admit that offer Dodds made Byrne wasn’t a good one because it wouldn’t have made money.

You insist he was wrong because somehow he couldn’t predict that years in the future, realignment would radically shift the college landscape and the B12 would damn near collapse and because of that, in a once ever confluence of events, ESPN would drop the mother of all deals into UTs lap in order to prevent more realignment. A deal that never would have happened if the status quo had continued.

That you can’t see that and insist our AD made a terrible mistake for somehow not foreseeing that is the worst sort of 2020 hindsight arrogance

You have adopted the Aggie inferiority complex. Byrne blew it. Plain and simple. Now the rest of the Big 12 wasn't interested in a conference network at the time either. That's why NU and UT had to fund the study themselves. But Dodds offered the opportunity that turned into $11 million a year. Dodds didn't know either how good it would be. But I already said that in the first post.

(03-30-2020 09:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 04:40 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 04:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:23 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 12:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  You aren't and Byrne aren't man enough to admit Texas made a good choice and Byrne made a poor choice without throwing a bunch of spin. Its pathetic and its such an Aggie thing to do.

In the original post I pointed out that nobody thought it would be worth more than $3 million a year even a month before ESPN made their offer.

I’ll totally admit that UT made a good choice by taking the deal ESPN dropped in their lap in order to stop further realignment

Why cant YOU admit that the deal Dodds offered Byrne was not a great deal and was not in any way related to LHN because NOBODY at the time Byrne or Dodds, could have predicted realignment and the near death of the Big 12 changing the game?

That was all pointed out in the original post. And that you can't let it go demonstrates Aggie culture in all its glory. You should adopt the culture of the school you actually attend.

Your UT arrogance is on full display.

You simply can’t admit that offer Dodds made Byrne wasn’t a good one because it wouldn’t have made money.

You insist he was wrong because somehow he couldn’t predict that years in the future, realignment would radically shift the college landscape and the B12 would damn near collapse and because of that, in a once ever confluence of events, ESPN would drop the mother of all deals into UTs lap in order to prevent more realignment. A deal that never would have happened if the status quo had continued.

That you can’t see that and insist our AD made a terrible mistake for somehow not foreseeing that is the worst sort of 2020 hindsight arrogance

You have adopted the Aggie inferiority complex. Byrne blew it. Plain and simple. Now the rest of the Big 12 wasn't interested in a conference network at the time either. That's why NU and UT had to fund the study themselves. But Dodds offered the opportunity that turned into $11 million a year. Dodds didn't know either how good it would be. But I already said that in the first post.

Bullet, the Aggies didn't want in on the LHN because Texas controlled it, the Aggies already had their sites on the SEC, and the LHN gave them a plausible excuse to pursue it. Byme didn't blow it. He exploited it.