(03-05-2020 05:06 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:59 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:34 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:15 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  At this point I'll be shocked if Green or Brown sign with Memphis. They may be waiting to see what happens with this case. And if Penny gets a show-clause or there's a post season ban, they aren't coming. I am thinking one or both is likely. F the NCAA

If Penny gets a show-cause and MM steps in as coach with no post season ban, I think we get both of them. Green or Brown aren't committing here because of Penny; it's solely due to MM.

o my...didn't your mama every tell you that pool will rot your brain

For what exactly that I stated? Jalen Green and Greg Brown aren't coming here if MM is gone.

You don’t know that.

Yes. He is the one landing the players. They aren't coming here if he leaves.

(03-05-2020 05:36 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:06 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:59 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:34 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  If Penny gets a show-cause and MM steps in as coach with no post season ban, I think we get both of them. Green or Brown aren't committing here because of Penny; it's solely due to MM.

o my...didn't your mama every tell you that pool will rot your brain

For what exactly that I stated? Jalen Green and Greg Brown aren't coming here if MM is gone.

You don’t know that.

Yes. He is the one landing the players. They aren't coming here if he leaves.

You sound like the office manager at a multi million dollar business who thinks the entire business will collapse without her... Those businesses are not created around office managers and our program and our recruiting is not built around MM.

James Wiseman already did.

(03-05-2020 05:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:36 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:06 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:59 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:37 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  o my...didn't your mama every tell you that pool will rot your brain

For what exactly that I stated? Jalen Green and Greg Brown aren't coming here if MM is gone.

You don’t know that.

Yes. He is the one landing the players. They aren't coming here if he leaves.

You sound like the office manager at a multi million dollar business who thinks the entire business will collapse without her... Those businesses are not created around office managers and our program and our recruiting is not built around MM.

Lol, I’m sorry you don’t understand recruiting. Who do you think got LQ, Precious and Boogie? The same lead recruiter for Green and Brown that just so happens to being doing everything possible to get out of here.

There are folks already taking the heat and feeling it at the highest positions in the university.

(03-05-2020 07:16 PM)griffin Wrote:  There are folks already taking the heat and feeling it at the highest positions in the university.

tell us!!

this feels deja vu

(03-05-2020 10:51 AM)btiger Wrote:  When the NCAA hammers us someone will have to be the scapegoat.....so who takes the fall?

President?

Athletic Director?

Head Coach?

We are a football school. You know that. How's Joey Freshwater doing? Hehe. It's being discussed.

(03-05-2020 07:07 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:36 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:06 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:59 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  For what exactly that I stated? Jalen Green and Greg Brown aren't coming here if MM is gone.

You don’t know that.

Yes. He is the one landing the players. They aren't coming here if he leaves.

You sound like the office manager at a multi million dollar business who thinks the entire business will collapse without her... Those businesses are not created around office managers and our program and our recruiting is not built around MM.

Lol, I’m sorry you don’t understand recruiting. Who do you think got LQ, Precious and Boogie? The same lead recruiter for Green and Brown that just so happens to being doing everything possible to get out of here.

Well, you got one of your five statements correct, so I guess that's something. I am assuming that ST does know something about recruiting. I give you Boogie, that's about it.

(03-05-2020 07:47 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 07:07 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:36 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:06 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  You don’t know that.

Yes. He is the one landing the players. They aren't coming here if he leaves.

You sound like the office manager at a multi million dollar business who thinks the entire business will collapse without her... Those businesses are not created around office managers and our program and our recruiting is not built around MM.

Lol, I’m sorry you don’t understand recruiting. Who do you think got LQ, Precious and Boogie? The same lead recruiter for Green and Brown that just so happens to being doing everything possible to get out of here.

Well, you got one of your five statements correct, so I guess that's something. I am assuming that ST does know something about recruiting. I give you Boogie, that's about it.

Wrong bud. MM is the most important recruit we need to keep and he’s actively trying to get out of here (and that is before we knew about the NCAA coming after us). Wish I was wrong but if he goes so do Green and Brown.

How many would be petitioning (via message board) for MM to become the head coach of this program if, in fact, Penny got a show-cause? Surely, now, we would start looking for an established, winning, up-and-coming head coach of a smaller program.

BTW, I want Penny as our HC and for him to not get a SC.

(03-05-2020 07:58 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 07:47 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 07:07 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:36 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  Yes. He is the one landing the players. They aren't coming here if he leaves.

You sound like the office manager at a multi million dollar business who thinks the entire business will collapse without her... Those businesses are not created around office managers and our program and our recruiting is not built around MM.

Lol, I’m sorry you don’t understand recruiting. Who do you think got LQ, Precious and Boogie? The same lead recruiter for Green and Brown that just so happens to being doing everything possible to get out of here.

Well, you got one of your five statements correct, so I guess that's something. I am assuming that ST does know something about recruiting. I give you Boogie, that's about it.

Wrong bud. MM is the most important recruit we need to keep and he’s actively trying to get out of here (and that is before we knew about the NCAA coming after us). Wish I was wrong but if he goes so do Green and Brown.

Very likely. We need to keep MM.

(03-05-2020 11:15 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I nominate TOGC

I second that nomination.

Maybe the more important questions are, will there be a fall &
how bad will the fall be?

(03-05-2020 03:57 PM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  There is no bigger hypocritical organization in the world than the NCAA. The cheating scandal at North Carolina, Bill Self buying players and likely being the number 1 seed, and Will Wade buying players and being the NCAA president's son in law. These 3 things are much bigger than Penny and are going on a couple of years in some cases and nothing has been done. Penny and Memphis could potentially have the Shi* Hammer fall upon their heads literally a couple of months later. Any case involving teams that make them money seem to be untouchable. Two faced hypocrites.

Meanwhile Kansas just put the NCAA on notice, lol.

Kansas disputes NCAA allegations against basketball team...

"In its response issued Thursday, Kansas stated: "In this case, stemming from federal criminal trials in 2018, there are several facts that are in dispute; there are assumptions made; and, perhaps most importantly, there are unprecedented and novel theories put forward that, if found to have merit by the Panel, would dramatically alter the collegiate sports landscape in ways not contemplated by the Membership."

The Jayhawks' statement goes on to say, "The University formally challenges each of the men's basketball related allegations in the Amended Notice of Allegations ("ANOA") as neither NCAA legislation nor the facts support the enforcement staff's allegations."

IOW, nothing will happen to them while lil ol Memphis may get smacked around.

There is NO WAY Penny gets a show cause. No way.

A show cause? For this, no way. Maybe he gets a conference game suspension but no way on the show cause.

(03-05-2020 07:58 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 07:47 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 07:07 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:58 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 05:36 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  Yes. He is the one landing the players. They aren't coming here if he leaves.

You sound like the office manager at a multi million dollar business who thinks the entire business will collapse without her... Those businesses are not created around office managers and our program and our recruiting is not built around MM.

Lol, I’m sorry you don’t understand recruiting. Who do you think got LQ, Precious and Boogie? The same lead recruiter for Green and Brown that just so happens to being doing everything possible to get out of here.

Well, you got one of your five statements correct, so I guess that's something. I am assuming that ST does know something about recruiting. I give you Boogie, that's about it.

Wrong bud. MM is the most important recruit we need to keep and he’s actively trying to get out of here (and that is before we knew about the NCAA coming after us). Wish I was wrong but if he goes so do Green and Brown.

You are overstating. I will agree with you on Brown, not on Green. I also don't think he is doing everything he can to get out of here. Between his wife and kids and still needing more credits, it isn't a slam dunk that he is gone.

(03-05-2020 08:18 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  How many would be petitioning (via message board) for MM to become the head coach of this program if, in fact, Penny got a show-cause? Surely, now, we would start looking for an established, winning, up-and-coming head coach of a smaller program.

BTW, I want Penny as our HC and for him to not get a SC.

He can't until he gets his degree. There is no way Penny gets a show-cause.

(03-05-2020 02:19 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 02:02 PM)Poolshrk111 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 01:52 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Why would Penny get a show cause? For something he did before he became a coach? And he specifically stared at the the time the University told him to play Wiseman if you’re going on that angle

For playing an ineligible player and basically flipping double birds to the NCAA? Not to mention, the next day or two, Wiseman and Harris (iirc) were on IG with targets on the back of their shirts.

Most of what you just said has nothing to do with the bylaws but perceived feelings hurt and the part that is a possible violation I stated that Penny said the University told him to play Wiseman

Seriously dude, do you actually think that the Wiseman family has Leslie Ballin on speed dial?

Or they conveniently just added the U of M as a defendant in the case?

There is someone associated with the program who was pulling strings on this deal.

You sue yourself by proxy to leave yourself with plausible deniability.

So the U of M can walk into the investigation and say our hands were tied we had to do it.

People saying Penny could get a show-cause need to go read the things that have gotten coaches show-cause penalties in the past. It is always some combination of lying to the NCAA, instigating cover-ups, academic fraud, or repeated recruiting violations. Unless there’s some major skullduggery not yet out in the open, nothing like that happened here. Playing someone with questionable-but-undetermined eligibility for three games with a court injunction in force and the concurrence of University administration simply does not rise to the levels of previous violations resulting in show-cause penalties. And certainly Penny’s payment to the Wiseman family does not, as it occurred when he was a booster and not as a coach.

Should the NCAA be foolish enough to issue a show-cause penalty on Penny, the lawsuit he would file against them (and quite possibly win) would garner some major national attention. All that to penalize a coach and school who played an athlete the NCAA ultimately decided should be allowed to play after a 12-game suspension.