(03-03-2020 10:24 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:19 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Bernie took some bad beats today. He’ll win California but today was about as bad as he could have hoped. No way he gets to 50% by the convention. He is screwed.

I’m still amazed at all the momentum a guy mustered after winning a single primary he had been picked to win for months.

The moderates controlled ~65% of the vote from the beginning, they just needed to coalesce.

Arkansas called for Biden, but that's no surprise. With 40% in its 35 Biden, 21 Sanders, 20 Bloomberg. Must not have been much early voting in MN.
41% in, Biden 37, Sanders 31, Warren 16, Bloomberg 8, Klobuchar 5.

Utah early (32%) Sanders with big lead. Biden in 5th.

(03-03-2020 10:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Bloomberg positioning himself to be kingmaker. He has no reason to drop out. If he keeps getting delegates in 3rd place he can extract some concessions from Biden or force a 2nd ballot

What concessions would he want from Biden? He supposedly just wants Trump to lose, and he doesn't think Bernie's agenda is good for the country.

It seems if he can't win for himself (looks bad now), the logical guy for him would be Biden, anyway.

That would make sense and that may very well be his plan. He has just talked a lot about a contested convention and being in the minority position at the contested convention.

Winning MN and MA for Biden is big so even if a 2nd ballot was forced the Superdelegates would have no reason not to support Biden

However we still have a long way to go and a Biden gaffe or Hunter Biden revelation could change the game and justify Bloomberg staying in

#letdairydie

(03-03-2020 10:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Bernie is cleaning up on the Latino vote right now. Over 40% statewide in Texas, and I would guess it ends up being at least that in California. People are very much underestimating this voting block.

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200303-...bernie-108

Yes but apparently Texas polling spots have been a cluster**** tonight with massive lines (the worst of it in the low income areas) - the likely result of voting officials closing way too many polling spots. Lots of tweets from people saying folks waited for hours and then just went home frustrated without voting. For the life of me, I can't understand why people don't vote early and avoid the lines. Yes it screwed me of a vote that counted, but if you were voting for Bernie, your vote would have counted just the same.

(03-03-2020 10:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:12 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Bloomberg positioning himself to be kingmaker. He has no reason to drop out. If he keeps getting delegates in 3rd place he can extract some concessions from Biden or force a 2nd ballot

What concessions would he want from Biden? He supposedly just wants Trump to lose, and he doesn't think Bernie's agenda is good for the country.

It seems if he can't win for himself (looks bad now), the logical guy for him would be Biden, anyway.

That would make sense and that may very well be his plan. He has just talked a lot about a contested convention and being in the minority position at the contested convention.

Winning MN and MA for Biden is big so even if a 2nd ballot was forced the Superdelegates would have no reason not to support Biden

However we still have a long way to go and a Biden gaffe or Hunter Biden revelation could change the game and justify Bloomberg staying in

True. We're down to four even before tonight. Let's see what happens tomorrow.

Biden loses his place so often even when reading off a teleprompter. This next debate is gonna be fun.

Utah called for Sanders, no surprise:
Sanders 32%, Bloomberg 19%, Warren 16%, Buttigieg 14%, Biden 12%.

(03-03-2020 10:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  Utah called for Sanders, no surprise:
Sanders 32%, Bloomberg 19%, Warren 16%, Buttigieg 14%, Biden 12%.

4 flirting with viability would be a big cut into sanders' delegates from 1 of his few wins this evening.

(03-03-2020 10:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:04 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 09:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Biden wins MN. Sanders is down to being favored in only 8 states nationwide.

It's over.

Pretty amazing, especially since the MSM was writing off Biden last Friday.

Looks like the Dem establishment has made a comeback.

That's the biggest win of the night for sure.

VA might have been his best because of the huge margin. But MN is the biggest surprise.

Yep. The polls were WAY wrong in Virginia.

A group of protesters just rushed biden's stage. Bernie supporters already losing it?

It's also fascinating to see how Sanders took advantage of caucuses. See MN. In 2016 it was a caucus and Sanders cleaned up. This year it's a primary and he is struggling. While there is a Klobacher factor, the differences between caucuses and primaries are on full display

Warren is an embarrassment. She hung around for literally no reason and just took home a nice 3rd place finish in her home state.

(03-03-2020 10:25 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The moderates controlled ~65% of the vote from the beginning, they just needed to coalesce.

https://twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/stat...3977216000

2 CAN PLAY THAT GAME

(03-03-2020 10:03 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 09:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Biden wins MN. Sanders is down to being favored in only 8 states nationwide.

It's over.

Klobuchar might have won the candidacy for Biden. I read he didn't even step foot in that state leading up to tonight.

I was thinking Harris was going to be his VP choice but she supposedly was going to endorse him today and didn't. Now I wonder if Klobuchar might be his VP candidate.

As a Democrat, I'll pray that the CDC/NIH or whomever can find a cure for Biden's diminishing mental capabilities and keep him relevant until November.

Biden/Klobuchar is a good ticket. I'm voting for Trump, but if they beat him, I can stomach that for 4-8 years. I could just go back to just casually following politics, knowing that the people at the helm aren't going to burn the country to the ground.

(03-03-2020 10:45 PM)green Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:25 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The moderates controlled ~65% of the vote from the beginning, they just needed to coalesce.

https://twitter.com/NathanJRobinson/stat...3977216000

2 CAN PLAY THAT GAME

Now do it if Bloomberg is off the ballot...bet you wont like how it looks. The fact of the matter is that the movement in 2018 was suburban voters electing moderate blue candidates in normally red districts, not progressives...they just won already blue districts. The way to win the whitehouse is not to appeal to 30% of your electorate who will vote for you anyways, it's to appeal to as many of the 50% of moderate/independents in the country, especially on the Midwestern battleground states, which are in no way progressive. Had there have been ANY moderate democrat candidate other than Clinton on the ticket in '16, I have no doubt that candidate would've won. The problem with Bernie is that he alienates a HELL of a lot of those independent middle class voters who arent horribly upset with where the country is, but would like marginal improvements to health care, education, and immigration reform likely to the blue side of purple.

The Bernie Bros just dont realize this...and that's why the Democrats will likely lose in November.

(03-03-2020 10:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 10:03 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 09:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Biden wins MN. Sanders is down to being favored in only 8 states nationwide.

It's over.

Klobuchar might have won the candidacy for Biden. I read he didn't even step foot in that state leading up to tonight.

I was thinking Harris was going to be his VP choice but she supposedly was going to endorse him today and didn't. Now I wonder if Klobuchar might be his VP candidate.

As a Democrat, I'll pray that the CDC/NIH or whomever can find a cure for Biden's diminishing mental capabilities and keep him relevant until November.

Biden/Klobuchar is a good ticket. I'm voting for Trump, but if they beat him, I can stomach that for 4-8 years. I could just go back to just casually following politics, knowing that the people at the helm aren't going to burn the country to the ground.

That's honestly the only path for a democratic victory...a palatable ticket for moderates, and one that wont sprout vehement opposition from conservatives.

Well, looks like the Bernie bros would have been better off paying extra on their student loan bills than donating to Bernie.

For those interested, the Alabama Repub Senate race is holding close to the early results, with 38.6% of all precincts reporting.

Candidate Votes Pct.

Jeff Sessions 92,998 32.8 %

Tommy Tuberville 90,807 32.0

Bradley Byrne 72,434 25.5

Roy Moore 19,309 6.8

Ruth Page Nelson 2,976 1.0

Stanley Adair 2,747 1.0

Arnold Mooney 2,475 0.9

Total votes from 38.6% of precincts

(03-03-2020 10:58 PM)TripleA Wrote:  For those interested, the Alabama Repub Senate race is holding close to the early results, with 38.6% of all precincts reporting.

Candidate Votes Pct.

Jeff Sessions 92,998 32.8 %

Tommy Tuberville 90,807 32.0

Bradley Byrne 72,434 25.5

Roy Moore 19,309 6.8

Ruth Page Nelson 2,976 1.0

Stanley Adair 2,747 1.0

Arnold Mooney 2,475 0.9

Total votes from 38.6% of precincts

For those of us who arent familiar with Alabama primary rules, how is the run-off determined? Top 2, anyone who hits a specific threshold?