(03-02-2020 12:45 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Seriously,

for the 1,000 fugging time--

The AAC does not have their own refs in basketball.

Repeat this:

The AAC does not have their own refs in basketball.

You all sound so ignorant when you rail against "AAC refs" and @ the AAC.

True but some of the teams we play seem to have their own refs.

(03-02-2020 02:58 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 09:18 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  This will probably start a firestorm, but I'll do it anyway. College basketball officiating is an avocation, not a vocation. The average annual salary is less than $40,000 per year. Referees work because they want to, not because the pay is great. It is a thankless job. There has been only one major incident that I recall of a dishonest official. He worked in the NBA. You're not going to be able to get competent officials (and most are) by requiring a litany of physical and mental evaluations. Even junior and high school referees are subject to constant abuse. I was a high school referee for over ten years, and I also know a number of college referees, and one NBA referee. I have never known any official that cared one iota if a particular team won a game or not. Are there some officials that should not be working games? Of course, but they are few and far between. Officials make mistakes, but not intentionally. Players make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes. It's unreasonable to think referees don't make them.

Read this article. Maybe a little rational thought should go into your opinion about referees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/sport...erees.html

1,000% accurate. If you think the refs are biased or incompetent, then you are biased, incompetent, or both. Just people showing their ignorance...again.

And, Saluki is also correct. Refs in college basketball aren't affiliated with any conference. They work them all. It mostly has to do with a region of the country, but even that's not set in stone.

When you get called for so many fouls and you have so many bull**** calls go against you in game changing situations, OBVIOUSLY you have the right to complain about it. Aside from the steady diet of getting touch fouls called against us and obvious fouls not called on our opponents, refs are making calls that are outright screwing us.

You are possibly the only person on the planet that doesn't think that in general, refs aren't incompetent. We have had players body checked out of bounds with no call, blown goaltending calls, and 2 blown block/charge calls literally change the results of games.

Thank God your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I would think I was crazy if we agreed.

(03-02-2020 03:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 02:58 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 09:18 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  This will probably start a firestorm, but I'll do it anyway. College basketball officiating is an avocation, not a vocation. The average annual salary is less than $40,000 per year. Referees work because they want to, not because the pay is great. It is a thankless job. There has been only one major incident that I recall of a dishonest official. He worked in the NBA. You're not going to be able to get competent officials (and most are) by requiring a litany of physical and mental evaluations. Even junior and high school referees are subject to constant abuse. I was a high school referee for over ten years, and I also know a number of college referees, and one NBA referee. I have never known any official that cared one iota if a particular team won a game or not. Are there some officials that should not be working games? Of course, but they are few and far between. Officials make mistakes, but not intentionally. Players make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes. It's unreasonable to think referees don't make them.

Read this article. Maybe a little rational thought should go into your opinion about referees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/sport...erees.html

1,000% accurate. If you think the refs are biased or incompetent, then you are biased, incompetent, or both. Just people showing their ignorance...again.

And, Saluki is also correct. Refs in college basketball aren't affiliated with any conference. They work them all. It mostly has to do with a region of the country, but even that's not set in stone.

When you get called for so many fouls and you have so many bull**** calls go against you in game changing situations, OBVIOUSLY you have the right to complain about it. Aside from the steady diet of getting touch fouls called against us and obvious fouls not called on our opponents, refs are making calls that are outright screwing us.

You are possibly the only person on the planet that doesn't think that in general, refs aren't incompetent. We have had players body checked out of bounds with no call, blown goaltending calls, and 2 blown block/charge calls literally change the results of games.

Thank God your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I would think I was crazy if we agreed.

Don't forget about the BS flagrant on Precious, then charge on other end.

(03-02-2020 05:52 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 03:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 02:58 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 09:18 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  This will probably start a firestorm, but I'll do it anyway. College basketball officiating is an avocation, not a vocation. The average annual salary is less than $40,000 per year. Referees work because they want to, not because the pay is great. It is a thankless job. There has been only one major incident that I recall of a dishonest official. He worked in the NBA. You're not going to be able to get competent officials (and most are) by requiring a litany of physical and mental evaluations. Even junior and high school referees are subject to constant abuse. I was a high school referee for over ten years, and I also know a number of college referees, and one NBA referee. I have never known any official that cared one iota if a particular team won a game or not. Are there some officials that should not be working games? Of course, but they are few and far between. Officials make mistakes, but not intentionally. Players make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes. It's unreasonable to think referees don't make them.

Read this article. Maybe a little rational thought should go into your opinion about referees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/sport...erees.html

1,000% accurate. If you think the refs are biased or incompetent, then you are biased, incompetent, or both. Just people showing their ignorance...again.

And, Saluki is also correct. Refs in college basketball aren't affiliated with any conference. They work them all. It mostly has to do with a region of the country, but even that's not set in stone.

When you get called for so many fouls and you have so many bull**** calls go against you in game changing situations, OBVIOUSLY you have the right to complain about it. Aside from the steady diet of getting touch fouls called against us and obvious fouls not called on our opponents, refs are making calls that are outright screwing us.

You are possibly the only person on the planet that doesn't think that in general, refs aren't incompetent. We have had players body checked out of bounds with no call, blown goaltending calls, and 2 blown block/charge calls literally change the results of games.

Thank God your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I would think I was crazy if we agreed.

Don't forget about the BS flagrant on Precious, then charge on other end.

We have been getting screwed the entire season. FWIW, the only guy that thinks the refs are great is also the only guy that thinks that there is almost no difference between Wiseman and the Thomas/Maurice platoon.

So there's that.

(03-02-2020 10:40 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:36 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-01-2020 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Block-Charge calls

Goal Tending rules

Can we add football referees as well?

Pizzes me off every single time I hear that shiiiit ref talk
What a screw job

This wasn't the refs fault, it was the replay official fault. Two different types of crews.

If the average sports fan watches college basketball this season, they'll know the amount of charges are drastically going up in the whole country, that's pretty evident. I think what has really happened was the fact that these supervisors of college basketball are informing referees a significant point of emphasis on officials for their evaluations scores. What I mean is this: if supervisors are telling officials to call more charges, then the amount of charge calls will go up.

I call high school football and basketball game, I am a recent college graduate, if that tells you how young I am. I will say this, the difference between high school and college officials really boils down to two things: physical shape, and pure dedication to the little things. I do want to be a college football official one day, and I know I have the potential of doing so based on staying in shape and know the rules that average football fans typically do not know.

Football is the only conference that has its own officials. All the other sports have a different variety of officials. The officials aren't the reason why this team is struggling to make the tournament despite being ranked #9 in the country. I will say that I specifically hate when technology is playing a role into the calls that officials make, you'll see it in basketball when it comes to goaltending, football on whether if a runner is down or not by contact (they'll usually let the runner keep going), and in baseball on a miss call at first base that shouldn't really be missed. That's the part that I don't stand.

Penny has a role into changing the way the game should be officiate. What I'm trying to say is this, officials are not being evaluated by just their supervisors, coaches are evaluating them, too. So, Penny can call supervisors and recommend his situation and preference, and the competition committee of college basketball, can put a few rule changes based on coaches recommendations of rule changes.

(03-01-2020 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Block-Charge calls

Goal Tending rules

No such thing as conference officials in college basketball.

Pretty sure the home AD contracts crews on a game-by-game basis.

(03-02-2020 09:33 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:40 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:36 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-01-2020 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Block-Charge calls

Goal Tending rules

Can we add football referees as well?

Pizzes me off every single time I hear that shiiiit ref talk
What a screw job

This wasn't the refs fault, it was the replay official fault. Two different types of crews.

Doesn't really matter...it was a shiiit call

Someone had to be paying the replay officials off. There is no way they could have reversed the call from film. Film showed he caught it.

(03-02-2020 10:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 09:33 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:40 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:36 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-01-2020 08:50 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  Block-Charge calls

Goal Tending rules

Can we add football referees as well?

Pizzes me off every single time I hear that shiiiit ref talk
What a screw job

This wasn't the refs fault, it was the replay official fault. Two different types of crews.

Doesn't really matter...it was a shiiit call

Wish a different crew reviewed it in basketball. That Tulane call was garbage. Then they doubled down on garbage with a review.

(03-03-2020 08:26 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 09:33 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:40 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:36 AM)mairving Wrote:  Can we add football referees as well?

Pizzes me off every single time I hear that shiiiit ref talk
What a screw job

This wasn't the refs fault, it was the replay official fault. Two different types of crews.

Doesn't really matter...it was a shiiit call

Wish a different crew reviewed it in basketball. That Tulane call was garbage. Then they doubled down on garbage with a review.

I contend their had to be a different review than the ones we saw because no review that was shown showed anywhere enough evidence to overturn that call.

That is also the story Temple fans were telling who were at the game on the AAC board.

(03-03-2020 09:43 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 08:26 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:31 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 09:33 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 10:40 AM)450bench Wrote:  Pizzes me off every single time I hear that shiiiit ref talk
What a screw job

This wasn't the refs fault, it was the replay official fault. Two different types of crews.

Doesn't really matter...it was a shiiit call

Wish a different crew reviewed it in basketball. That Tulane call was garbage. Then they doubled down on garbage with a review.

I contend their had to be a different review than the ones we saw because no review that was shown showed anywhere enough evidence to overturn that call.

That is also the story Temple fans were telling who were at the game on the AAC board.

Clear to me. Crazy to me that anyone else can't see it. Both the Def GT and the Off GT.

I've always had great eye sight, but damn. This call was awful. And then to be unsure on review? Really?!

On the final lob play in regulation, Precious was pushed by 2 Tulane players in mid-air. I didn't see it in the telecast, but the local sports footage showed it as clear as can be. Add that potential game-changer to the list.

(03-03-2020 11:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  On the final lob play in regulation, Precious was pushed by 2 Tulane players in mid-air. I didn't see it in the telecast, but the local sports footage showed it as clear as can be. Add that potential game-changer to the list.

Same here. Didn’t notice it in real time but I saw it in the replay.

(03-03-2020 01:41 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 11:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  On the final lob play in regulation, Precious was pushed by 2 Tulane players in mid-air. I didn't see it in the telecast, but the local sports footage showed it as clear as can be. Add that potential game-changer to the list.

Same here. Didn’t notice it in real time but I saw it in the replay.

I didn't see the replay but I thought he fell in an odd way. That would explain it.

Lot's of great videos here, some are comically bad

(03-03-2020 02:38 PM)UofMark Wrote:  Lot's of great videos here, some are comically bad

This is GREAT! And it Louisville!

(03-02-2020 09:29 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 05:52 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 03:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 02:58 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(03-02-2020 09:18 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  This will probably start a firestorm, but I'll do it anyway. College basketball officiating is an avocation, not a vocation. The average annual salary is less than $40,000 per year. Referees work because they want to, not because the pay is great. It is a thankless job. There has been only one major incident that I recall of a dishonest official. He worked in the NBA. You're not going to be able to get competent officials (and most are) by requiring a litany of physical and mental evaluations. Even junior and high school referees are subject to constant abuse. I was a high school referee for over ten years, and I also know a number of college referees, and one NBA referee. I have never known any official that cared one iota if a particular team won a game or not. Are there some officials that should not be working games? Of course, but they are few and far between. Officials make mistakes, but not intentionally. Players make mistakes. Coaches make mistakes. It's unreasonable to think referees don't make them.

Read this article. Maybe a little rational thought should go into your opinion about referees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/sport...erees.html

1,000% accurate. If you think the refs are biased or incompetent, then you are biased, incompetent, or both. Just people showing their ignorance...again.

And, Saluki is also correct. Refs in college basketball aren't affiliated with any conference. They work them all. It mostly has to do with a region of the country, but even that's not set in stone.

When you get called for so many fouls and you have so many bull**** calls go against you in game changing situations, OBVIOUSLY you have the right to complain about it. Aside from the steady diet of getting touch fouls called against us and obvious fouls not called on our opponents, refs are making calls that are outright screwing us.

You are possibly the only person on the planet that doesn't think that in general, refs aren't incompetent. We have had players body checked out of bounds with no call, blown goaltending calls, and 2 blown block/charge calls literally change the results of games.

Thank God your opinion is the exact opposite of mine. I would think I was crazy if we agreed.

Don't forget about the BS flagrant on Precious, then charge on other end.

We have been getting screwed the entire season. FWIW, the only guy that thinks the refs are great is also the only guy that thinks that there is almost no difference between Wiseman and the Thomas/Maurice platoon.

So there's that.

You should go into politics or the mainstream media. I NEVER said that. And, you know I never said that. But, you're an ignorant douche bag, so it's just you being you.

Mamas,
Don’t let your babies grow up a a to be zebras

If refs call actually call shoves Houston would foul out of every game.

Houston players have been trained to foul...And they do it well.

They foul with their hips on damn near every rebound and anytime a player catches the ball in the post.