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I'm laughing because someone published a list claiming, among other things, that Keenan Palmore and Josh Hicks are the two best PG recruits to put on an ODU uniform. Actually the whole thing cracks me up. Dahi at #10 is the first one that actually made it for 4 years. Nobody before 2003 in the top 30. Transfers Kah and Haynes made the top 30 while transfers Painter and BJ Stith (4-star recruits) are nowhere to be found. Nick Wright ahead of Bazemore. Marquel DeLancey over Frank Hassell and Valdas Vasylius. Sam Harris is in the top 30, but Alex Laoughton and Gerald Lee aren't. Sorry, but that link might be the funniest thing I'll see this week.

You realize that you're comparing high school prospects to their realized production as collegiate players 4-5 years later, right? It's not uncommon for high school prospects to not meet their projected potential in college. Many of us were telling you 10 years ago when you complained that Blaine didn't recruit enough players with 3-4 stars then. Now that JJ almost exclusively recruits 3-star players, you're not happy either.

(02-18-2020 02:09 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm laughing because someone published a list claiming, among other things, that Keenan Palmore and Josh Hicks are the two best PG recruits to put on an ODU uniform. Actually the whole thing cracks me up. Dahi at #10 is the first one that actually made it for 4 years. Nobody before 2003 in the top 30. Transfers Kah and Haynes made the top 30 while transfers Painter and BJ Stith (4-star recruits) are nowhere to be found. Nick Wright ahead of Bazemore. Marquel DeLancey over Frank Hassell and Valdas Vasylius. Sam Harris is in the top 30, but Alex Laoughton and Gerald Lee aren't. Sorry, but that link might be the funniest thing I'll see this week.

It seems like you have recruiting mixed up with player development

(02-18-2020 01:58 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Are you laughing because an opinion was substantiated and that makes you uncomfortable?

Maybe hes laughing because you're using 247Sports' opinion as FACTUAL INFORMATION after being told so many times by posters here that their rankings are horse poop...or maybe that just applies to football LMAO

I guess 247Sports is now the ultimate truth.

(02-18-2020 11:24 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  Momentum? We had a cyclical program with two peaks across a 7 year span. The program was relatively well insulated from losing seasons, but people still complained when we won 17-20 games. That was definitely Blaine at his best. Then Blaine ruined everything he built. And it's taken a long time to get back to where we were.

Since that time, we've changed from a regional basketball only conference with a four-headed monster (VCU, GMU, ODU, UNCW) to a football conference (that also has basketball) flung across the entire USA. We lost regional rivals, we drastically increased travel costs for all sports, we compete in a college landscape wrought with transfers, and we downgraded our media package. None of those are Jeff Jones's fault. IMO, Jeff Jones has done as well, maybe better, than Blaine did with the cards he was dealt. Blaine had many more advantages and slightly more success. I think Blaine was great at finding diamonds in the rough and polishing them up. JJ seems to be better at consistently landing highly touted recruits. I like the young players on this team. I think JJ has a great core to build on. Next season and the season after, I expect to be a Top 3 team and to compete for CUSA titles and NCAA appearances. If he can't coach up this group, then I agree we should be open to a new coach.

I definitely disagree with this. Had it not been for the Stith brothers (who came with their dad) the only impressive JJ recruit has been Caver. JJ has yet to recruit a single decent big man and he frequently brings in players that do not fit into his system so whether they're highly touted is irrelevant since they quickly leave.

Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

(02-18-2020 04:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

Bad Kalu does suck!

Good Kalu doesn't!

Hopefully in the future we will get a consistently above average Kalu!

I imagine Kalu could transfer somewhere where he can play PF instead of C and he'd thrive (and not be in as much foul trouble as well). He will always be inconsistent having to play C just like Brandan Stith was. Undersized for his role and even in good years, continue getting throttled by teams like Illinois and Purdue.

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I'm not buying a ticket to this ****. We need a new coach.

(02-18-2020 01:58 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Are you laughing because an opinion was substantiated and that makes you uncomfortable?

Results on the court are very literally the only thing that substantiates the results.

Baze (maybe) and Lee were zero stars (I think frank too) while abdi lidonde and the kid from Illinois who went to Hampton were 4 star recruits.

I think you just like to see how absurd your arguments can possibly get at this point lol

(02-19-2020 12:05 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 01:58 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Are you laughing because an opinion was substantiated and that makes you uncomfortable?

Results on the court are very literally the only thing that substantiates the results.

Baze (maybe) and Lee were zero stars (I think frank too) while abdi lidonde and the kid from Illinois who went to Hampton were 4 star recruits.

I think you just like to see how absurd your arguments can possibly get at this point lol

Remember when your knock on Blaine was that he couldn't recruit players with enough stars to make you happy? Remember when everyone else told you that at our level stars don't matter? I do. Everyone else does. I'm glad you're finally calling our your own BS.

(02-18-2020 03:03 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 01:58 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Are you laughing because an opinion was substantiated and that makes you uncomfortable?

Maybe hes laughing because you're using 247Sports' opinion as FACTUAL INFORMATION after being told so many times by posters here that their rankings are horse poop...or maybe that just applies to football LMAO

I guess 247Sports is now the ultimate truth.

You do realize that every rating system is a combination of opinions, right? My point is that rating systems are how people determine that a player is "highly rated." My statement that JJ is better than BT at bringing in "highly rated" recruits requires that those recruits are "highly rated" by various recruitment rating services relative to previous ODU recruits. Providing an example (and the only example I know that has a historical function) to support my statement is logical and appropriate.

Your opinion about the merits of the rating services is, quite frankly, inconsequential. I, too, believe that rating services are overrated at this level and have said as much for years. When Razor Ramen and his ilk were complaining more than a decade ago that BT didn't recruit enough 3-star players like VCU, I was on the other said arguing that stars don't matter--it only matters how a player develops and contributes at the collegiate level.

My point in bringing all of this up is that BT's detractors (Ramen and the like) used one criteria to bash BT, but now they want to move the goalposts for JJ because they got what they thought they wanted and they're still not happy.

(02-18-2020 09:21 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:17 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I will echo what someone said earlier. It is hilarious to think this group is separated by non JJ supporters, and JJ supporters. In fact, I don't believe anyone on here is a huge JJ supporter. This is a forum where we have people making claims about things, and others arguing against those claims. Nobody has ever said that they would give JJ a "lifetime contract". None of us make decisions, and many of us love ODU Basketball. What would the pitchfork folks like us to do??? I am guessing they want us to stop watching, and stop going to games, while they watch and attend so they can complain some more. My questions go out to Razor:

What would you like us to do on this board? What are you doing that we aren't doing (outside of the constant posts that mean nothing to the athletic program)?

I'll take questions that won't get answered for 800, Alex.

What do I win?

(02-18-2020 04:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

Not to be a downer but I wouldn't say he sucks, I would say he is an average player so far who we all hope will become great. He look's like he could be great just from watching on the court but so far, long, long ways to go. The guy only averages 16 minutes per game this year on a team that needs help inside big time. Probably because he can't stay in the game due to his propensity to stay in foul trouble. 6 points per game and 5 boards. Not so great. And don't give me the mindless points per minute stuff. He averages 6 points per game, bottom line. If he could stay in the game longer, maybe he would really help us. Plus, he is a really good foul shooter, 75%. Bad news, 9% from 3 point land. I say, don't attempt another one of those this year and get to work on it in the off season!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...alu-ezikpe

(02-18-2020 04:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

By "Big men" I meant centers. Kalu is not a center. He's a power forward that has shown flashes of brilliance.

(02-19-2020 08:42 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 03:03 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 01:58 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Are you laughing because an opinion was substantiated and that makes you uncomfortable?

Maybe hes laughing because you're using 247Sports' opinion as FACTUAL INFORMATION after being told so many times by posters here that their rankings are horse poop...or maybe that just applies to football LMAO

I guess 247Sports is now the ultimate truth.

You do realize that every rating system is a combination of opinions, right? My point is that rating systems are how people determine that a player is "highly rated." My statement that JJ is better than BT at bringing in "highly rated" recruits requires that those recruits are "highly rated" by various recruitment rating services relative to previous ODU recruits. Providing an example (and the only example I know that has a historical function) to support my statement is logical and appropriate.

Your opinion about the merits of the rating services is, quite frankly, inconsequential. I, too, believe that rating services are overrated at this level and have said as much for years. When Razor Ramen and his ilk were complaining more than a decade ago that BT didn't recruit enough 3-star players like VCU, I was on the other said arguing that stars don't matter--it only matters how a player develops and contributes at the collegiate level.

My point in bringing all of this up is that BT's detractors (Ramen and the like) used one criteria to bash BT, but now they want to move the goalposts for JJ because they got what they thought they wanted and they're still not happy.

So even though you agree its garbage, thats all you have so you're referencing it. Understood.

I would like to reference ESPN and their rankings of our previous players. Surprise, they dont come close to comparing to 247's...

(02-19-2020 10:22 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 04:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

By "Big men" I meant centers. Kalu is not a center. He's a power forward that has shown flashes of brilliance.

What are the requirements to play center?

(02-19-2020 12:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 10:22 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 04:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

By "Big men" I meant centers. Kalu is not a center. He's a power forward that has shown flashes of brilliance.

What are the requirements to play center?

The ability to match up with other centers and at 6'8" & 235lbs, Kalu is undersized to fill that role much of the time. He's reminds me of Kenny Gattison who was a great PF.

(02-19-2020 02:19 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 12:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 10:22 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 04:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

By "Big men" I meant centers. Kalu is not a center. He's a power forward that has shown flashes of brilliance.

What are the requirements to play center?

The ability to match up with other centers and at 6'8" & 235lbs, Kalu is undersized to fill that role much of the time. He's reminds me of Kenny Gattison who was a great PF.

If Kalu is 6'8", I am Brad Pitt.

(02-19-2020 12:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 10:22 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 04:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Damn, I guess Kalu sucks.

By "Big men" I meant centers. Kalu is not a center. He's a power forward that has shown flashes of brilliance.

What are the requirements to play center?

If we have to explain it to you then what's the use? Kalu, like a few others on the team, are playing out of what should be their normal positions.