With a capacity of 58K an typical game against a P-5 is seated thusly:

Full Season Ticket Packages 38K
Mini Packs Sold To WPC Members 6K
Students 6K-8K
Visitors 5K
Individual Game Tickets @ 1K

Now, if you are going to trade podunk state and that $40 ticket for Michigan or Alabama and charge $100 a ticket the first thing to keep in mind is that you give up a home game every other year. So instead of two bites of $5,000,000 over two years, you can get $5,200,000 for that one game at $100. NC State students don't "pay" for tickets. What is made off concessions, parking, and what the local businesses want are the two games, not one game every other year.

Even if NC State added 8K seats and went to 65K, NC State will likely make no more money over a two year period with Alabama at home once over Western Carolina and Elon.

In Clemson and the Greenville/Spartanburg area the only major sporting events in that metro are Clemson's 7 home football games. In Raleigh there are at least 13 football games, and 40 college basketball games that would be considered major. On top of that you have the Carolina Hurricanes with their games. That's 70-80 major events in the RTP compared to 7-8 in Greenville/Spartanburg. When you are the only game in town, you can charge what you want. When there is competition, even indirect competition, your ability to charge an outrageous price is limited.

NC State needs to spend at least 8-10 million more per year on the revenue sports for at least a decade to move the needles - a measly $2 million isn't worth the trouble.

What caught my eye was Duke only slightly ahead of Pitt but having a stadium that holds 25,000 less. Duke is averaging about 25K per game.

(02-18-2020 10:01 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  What caught my eye was Duke only slightly ahead of Pitt but having a stadium that holds 25,000 less. Duke is averaging about 25K per game.

Not sure I follow you - Pitt has a LOT more fans in attendance than Duke:

Duke
avg attendance: 25,811
stadium capacity: 40,004
percentage: 64.52%

Pitt
avg attendance: 43,372 (nearly 18K more per game!)
stadium capacity: 68,400
percentage: 63.41% (don't be fooled by %!)

I meant slightly ahead in percentage of capacity. With Duke's small capacity it is an alarmingly low average attendance. I expected Pitt to have a low percentage because of the size of Heinz Field. If we had Duke's stadium we'd be over 100% capacity.

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(02-18-2020 05:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  HA! Take that Clemson!!

I presume the turnstile math was done in some of those infamously rigorous African American Studies classes.

You’re still hanging onto that old allegation? You should be excited, it’s the 20’s again! Wasn’t that the last time the Ramblin’ Wreck were good at sports?

(02-18-2020 09:55 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I'm not surprised by UNC numbers given the reduced capacity and the Mack Brown effect.

I agree with NC State scheduling. They could definitely generate more revenue with better scheduling.

Marginally better revenue, I'll grant you. But at best, we are only talking one more game a year when you could sell a couple of thousand more tickets. They will still want to have a buy game to pad the W-L record for bowl purposes, and that one will have empty seats most of the time. You only improve your scheduling (that is, make it more challenging) with home and home opponents. So 7 home games means means you only have room for one G5 and one FCS at least half the time.

So which is better - more W's or a few more tickets sold? That's always going to be the question, and not just for NC State.

(02-19-2020 12:39 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I meant slightly ahead in percentage of capacity. With Duke's small capacity it is an alarmingly low average attendance. I expected Pitt to have a low percentage because of the size of Heinz Field. If we had Duke's stadium we'd be over 100% capacity.

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I do believe with their steady mismanagement over the years, particularly the 90's and 00's, they may have killed their FB program indefinitely. They don't really show much interest in getting it back going either. If they limp to a bowl they seem to be happy. Wake has more loyal FB fans. And more of them.

(02-19-2020 01:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  HA! Take that Clemson!!

I presume the turnstile math was done in some of those infamously rigorous African American Studies classes.

You’re still hanging onto that old allegation? You should be excited, it’s the 20’s again! Wasn’t that the last time the Ramblin’ Wreck were good at sports?

GT doesn't count women's water polo, transgender cross country, or co-ed tiddly winks. GT likes to focus on real sports: FB, BB, Baseball, Golf, WVB. You can sooth yourself to sleep with several close finishes in the Capital One Cup. I'm sure the competition with Stanford and Maryland is riveting to literally dozens of fans. I'd rather have four football titles to go to bed to myself.

(02-19-2020 09:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 12:39 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I meant slightly ahead in percentage of capacity. With Duke's small capacity it is an alarmingly low average attendance. I expected Pitt to have a low percentage because of the size of Heinz Field. If we had Duke's stadium we'd be over 100% capacity.

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I do believe with their steady mismanagement over the years, particularly the 90's and 00's, they may have killed their FB program indefinitely. They don't really show much interest in getting it back going either. If they limp to a bowl they seem to be happy. Wake has more loyal FB fans. And more of them.

As an outsider, I don't understand how their attendance can be so bad. By their standards, Cutcliffe has taken them basically to their Golden Era of Football. On top of that, there are a number of schools that would/should excite the local fan base coming into town each year, not to mention a few of the schools in the ACC would be bringing in a few thousand fans of their own to cap out the attendance.

(02-19-2020 10:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 09:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 12:39 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I meant slightly ahead in percentage of capacity. With Duke's small capacity it is an alarmingly low average attendance. I expected Pitt to have a low percentage because of the size of Heinz Field. If we had Duke's stadium we'd be over 100% capacity.

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I do believe with their steady mismanagement over the years, particularly the 90's and 00's, they may have killed their FB program indefinitely. They don't really show much interest in getting it back going either. If they limp to a bowl they seem to be happy. Wake has more loyal FB fans. And more of them.

As an outsider, I don't understand how their attendance can be so bad. By their standards, Cutcliffe has taken them basically to their Golden Era of Football. On top of that, there are a number of schools that would/should excite the local fan base coming into town each year, not to mention a few of the schools in the ACC would be bringing in a few thousand fans of their own to cap out the attendance.

They have Cutcliffe but I think their administration still has their own heads firmly and deeply up their own arse. Nobody with a brain who has played as bad as Duke as long as Duke schedules a 50 point beat down against Alabama on National Television. The argument made by Hallcity and other Duke fans was woah we got all these millions to get absolutely woodsheded and shamed by Bama for 3 hours. Yeah ... and how much will it cost you to dig out of that perception hole with recruits? What, having Alabama turn Wallace Wade Outdoor into an annex of Tuscaloosa didn't send the message home firmly enough? Kevin White might be able to manage Coach K and his entourage just fine ... but I wouldn't let him breath on the GT FB program. He doesn't have a clue.

(02-19-2020 11:12 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 10:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 09:55 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 12:39 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I meant slightly ahead in percentage of capacity. With Duke's small capacity it is an alarmingly low average attendance. I expected Pitt to have a low percentage because of the size of Heinz Field. If we had Duke's stadium we'd be over 100% capacity.

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I do believe with their steady mismanagement over the years, particularly the 90's and 00's, they may have killed their FB program indefinitely. They don't really show much interest in getting it back going either. If they limp to a bowl they seem to be happy. Wake has more loyal FB fans. And more of them.

As an outsider, I don't understand how their attendance can be so bad. By their standards, Cutcliffe has taken them basically to their Golden Era of Football. On top of that, there are a number of schools that would/should excite the local fan base coming into town each year, not to mention a few of the schools in the ACC would be bringing in a few thousand fans of their own to cap out the attendance.

They have Cutcliffe but I think their administration still has their own heads firmly and deeply up their own arse. Nobody with a brain who has played as bad as Duke as long as Duke schedules a 50 point beat down against Alabama on National Television. The argument made by Hallcity and other Duke fans was woah we got all these millions to get absolutely woodsheded and shamed by Bama for 3 hours. Yeah ... and how much will it cost you to dig out of that perception hole with recruits? What, having Alabama turn Wallace Wade Outdoor into an annex of Tuscaloosa didn't send home the message home firmly enough? Kevin White might be able to manage Coach K and his entourage just fine ... but I wouldn't let him breath on the GT FB program. He doesn't have a clue.

Oh no question there. Back in the 70s, 80s and even the first few years of the 90s Cincinnati used to line up those kind of games as well. Duke would be better served by scheduling someone like Rutgers (since there are a lot of people from that area who attend the school) routinely and middle to lower tier P5 schools OOC, not to mention G5 schools. They don't need the money to be Alabama's whipping boy.

(02-18-2020 02:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 12:45 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  (in which it helps to have a small stadium):

1. UNC 100%
2. Clemson 99%
3. NC State 98%
-- Notre Dame 94.4%
4. Va Tech 89%
5. Syracuse 86%
6. Wake Forest 86%
7. Louisville 82%
8. Miami 81.5%
9. Ga Tech 81%
10. Virginia 78%
11. Boston Coll. 77%
12. Florida St 68%
13. Duke 64.5%
14. Pitt 63.4%

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2020/...-work.html

Color me skeptical about UNC's reporting.

I was secretly thinking the same thing...

UNC thought they were asking about the entire season instead of each game. So yeah, they were telling the truth.

(02-19-2020 11:18 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 12:45 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  (in which it helps to have a small stadium):

1. UNC 100%
2. Clemson 99%
3. NC State 98%
-- Notre Dame 94.4%
4. Va Tech 89%
5. Syracuse 86%
6. Wake Forest 86%
7. Louisville 82%
8. Miami 81.5%
9. Ga Tech 81%
10. Virginia 78%
11. Boston Coll. 77%
12. Florida St 68%
13. Duke 64.5%
14. Pitt 63.4%

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2020/...-work.html

Color me skeptical about UNC's reporting.

I was secretly thinking the same thing...

UNC thought they were asking about the entire season instead of each game. So yeah, they were telling the truth.

Didn’t your school have to fight tooth and nail for an exception to avoid demotion to 1-AA due to horrible attendance?

(02-19-2020 11:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:18 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 12:45 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  (in which it helps to have a small stadium):

1. UNC 100%
2. Clemson 99%
3. NC State 98%
-- Notre Dame 94.4%
4. Va Tech 89%
5. Syracuse 86%
6. Wake Forest 86%
7. Louisville 82%
8. Miami 81.5%
9. Ga Tech 81%
10. Virginia 78%
11. Boston Coll. 77%
12. Florida St 68%
13. Duke 64.5%
14. Pitt 63.4%

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2020/...-work.html

Color me skeptical about UNC's reporting.

I was secretly thinking the same thing...

UNC thought they were asking about the entire season instead of each game. So yeah, they were telling the truth.

Didn’t your school have to fight tooth and nail for an exception to avoid demotion to 1-AA due to horrible attendance?

His team would also handily beat yours in football and basketball and maybe even baseball right now. Just sayin'.

(02-19-2020 11:43 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:18 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  Color me skeptical about UNC's reporting.

I was secretly thinking the same thing...

UNC thought they were asking about the entire season instead of each game. So yeah, they were telling the truth.

Didn’t your school have to fight tooth and nail for an exception to avoid demotion to 1-AA due to horrible attendance?

His team would also handily beat yours in football and basketball and maybe even baseball right now. Just sayin'.

Thank you, Mr. Swagger.

But to answer the question...

If you are referring to the 1970's, like 40+ years ago, you may have a point.

However, since then we engaged in what is known as "development" of our program and have advanced it to better ourselves.

We don't just lay around on FSU's couch and raid Clemson's fridge, we're go-getter's.

(02-19-2020 01:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  HA! Take that Clemson!!

I presume the turnstile math was done in some of those infamously rigorous African American Studies classes.

You’re still hanging onto that old allegation? You should be excited, it’s the 20’s again! Wasn’t that the last time the Ramblin’ Wreck were good at sports?

At least Georgia Tech has a point in history to when they were relevant in football.

Ah, threads like this one remind me that Clemson and UNC have been together in the ACC for over 66 years (longer if you count Southern Conference time) - and they argue like an old married couple. How cute!

Clemson's arguments with Notre Dame are more like the man and his brother-in-law who will never be good enough for his sister.
(No, scratch that - ND is like the man who's sleeping with his sister but won't marry her - THAT's the beef!)

Just some observations

(02-19-2020 01:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  HA! Take that Clemson!!

I presume the turnstile math was done in some of those infamously rigorous African American Studies classes.

You’re still hanging onto that old allegation? You should be excited, it’s the 20’s again! Wasn’t that the last time the Ramblin’ Wreck were good at sports?

That's an interesting choice of word considering that the university admitted its wrongdoing, the phony classes were dropped, and a few sacrificial lambs were led to slaughter. It would be an allegation only in the absence of proof.

(02-19-2020 01:09 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:05 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  HA! Take that Clemson!!

I presume the turnstile math was done in some of those infamously rigorous African American Studies classes.

You’re still hanging onto that old allegation? You should be excited, it’s the 20’s again! Wasn’t that the last time the Ramblin’ Wreck were good at sports?

That's an interesting choice of word considering that the university admitted its wrongdoing, the phony classes were dropped, and a few sacrificial lambs were led to slaughter. It would be an allegation only in the absence of proof.

You have to forgive him. He's a product of North Carolina "education" so he doesn't know what words actually mean.

(02-19-2020 11:43 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:27 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:18 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:59 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  Color me skeptical about UNC's reporting.

I was secretly thinking the same thing...

UNC thought they were asking about the entire season instead of each game. So yeah, they were telling the truth.

Didn’t your school have to fight tooth and nail for an exception to avoid demotion to 1-AA due to horrible attendance?

His team would also handily beat yours in football and basketball and maybe even baseball right now. Just sayin'.

UNC has done pretty well against them over the course of history.

Undefeated in football and 7-1 in hoops.