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(02-18-2020 02:05 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 01:52 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  FYI. Average attendance, home games, post-BCS Orange Bowl:

2013: 20,669
2014: 13,563
2015: 13,942
2016: 10,879
2017; 11,291
2018: 10,404
2019: 8,518

Regardless of the teams' records, head coaches, weather, location, opponents, facilities, etc., the actual living breathing fans are not showing up at Huskie Stadium. It doesn't matter what STF does or doesn't do. There are too many factors beyond his or NIU's control. But STF is still obligated to try, and the BYU/SeatGeek game is another.



I don't like the idea of moving the one big game to Bridgeview, but I hope it works anyway. Those 160,000 Chicago alumni are not coming to DeKalb, and DeKalb/Sycamore does not have the population base to generate more attendance. It will not, I agree, increase attendance in DeKalb, but maybe the "engagement" is about getting some to contribute $.

This is a pipe dream, but fun to play with: if 160,000 alumni each contributed $100, that's $16 million. Too much? OK, at $10 apiece, that's $1.6 million.

If by some miracle seat geek could draw 12k for Maction games you’d have to move all your weeknight games there. You just can’t function with 5k fans for any game if you’re a FBS team. I know it would infuriate some STH’s, but it’s the apathy of the NIU alumni/students that caused this. You can blame some on marketing, but schools with proud alumni don’t need marketing to show their support.

Get games back to Huskie stadium, make fans think there is a reason to buy tickets, commit to fans , and you will slowly build the base up again , not overnight bit over a decade. It took 15 years to destroy this, it wont be fixed overnight.
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We had close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.
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(02-18-2020 02:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We had over close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.

How does that compare to ISU last year? The home opener is usually the best attended game of the year.

I get why people here are upset, but I’m not sure where they play the game really matters. With the deal they got to play there, it’s worth a shot.
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(02-18-2020 02:28 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We had over close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.

How does that compare to ISU last year? The home opener is usually the best attended game of the year.

I get why people here are upset, but I’m not sure where they play the game really matters. With the deal they got to play there, it’s worth a shot.

And the big thing to remember, is that NIU needs to have a fan friendly approach with more attractive home schedule over a DECADE. Utah was nice but it was ONE game, and to get people back you need to be proactive over the long term period. It reminds me of a baseball team rebuilding, I just want to see NIU start making positive choices that will build things for the long term. The longer you put off this rebuilding, the longer it will take to get where you want to go. NIU needs to think long term right now, the problem is we have horrid leadership that is so self-serving and only has a NOW NOW NOW vision. That vision is detrimental to the long term health of the athletic program.
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(02-18-2020 02:28 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We had over close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.

How does that compare to ISU last year? The home opener is usually the best attended game of the year.

I get why people here are upset, but I’m not sure where they play the game really matters. With the deal they got to play there, it’s worth a shot.

14,568 for the ISU game.
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(02-18-2020 02:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:28 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We had over close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.

How does that compare to ISU last year? The home opener is usually the best attended game of the year.

I get why people here are upset, but I’m not sure where they play the game really matters. With the deal they got to play there, it’s worth a shot.

And the big thing to remember, is that NIU needs to have a fan friendly approach with more attractive home schedule over a DECADE. Utah was nice but it was ONE game, and to get people back you need to be proactive over the long term period. It reminds me of a baseball team rebuilding, I just want to see NIU start making positive choices that will build things for the long term. The longer you put off this rebuilding, the longer it will take to get where you want to go. NIU needs to think long term right now, the problem is we have horrid leadership that is so self-serving and only has a NOW NOW NOW vision. That vision is detrimental to the long term health of the athletic program.
And this is where people lose me. More or less what it being said in here is NIU needs a great team and marquee home games to draw fans. Do you realize that is next to impossible to do? One of the reasons they were winning 10+ games a year the first half of the 10’s was they’re playing garbage OOC schedules filled with free wins. Give the 2012 team the 2018 schedule and they don’t sniff the Orange Bowl.

It’s just a constant stream of excuses as to why people don’t go to games. You’re trying to thread an impossible needle.
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(02-18-2020 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:28 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We had over close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.

How does that compare to ISU last year? The home opener is usually the best attended game of the year.

I get why people here are upset, but I’m not sure where they play the game really matters. With the deal they got to play there, it’s worth a shot.

14,568 for the ISU game.

Where they play the game THIS year may not matter, but where they play the game THIS year will matter FIVE years from now. People have to stop thinking short term. You just have to start making pro-fan choices if NIU wants to save this thing for the future. Give people a reason to buy season tickets NOW, so that you have a good season ticket fan base in 5 years.
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(02-18-2020 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:28 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We had over close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.

How does that compare to ISU last year? The home opener is usually the best attended game of the year.

I get why people here are upset, but I’m not sure where they play the game really matters. With the deal they got to play there, it’s worth a shot.

14,568 for the ISU game.

So a 2500 fan bump for Utah with no rain like there was against ISU. I mean, that is better...but meh
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(02-18-2020 02:03 PM)Illini60940 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 01:52 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  FYI. Average attendance, home games, post-BCS Orange Bowl:

2013: 20,669
2014: 13,563
2015: 13,942
2016: 10,879
2017; 11,291
2018: 10,404
2019: 8,518

Regardless of the teams' records, head coaches, weather, location, opponents, facilities, etc., the actual living breathing fans are not showing up at Huskie Stadium. It doesn't matter what STF does or doesn't do. There are too many factors beyond his or NIU's control. But STF is still obligated to try, and the BYU/SeatGeek game is another.

I don't like the idea of moving the one big game to Bridgeview, but I hope it works anyway. Those 160,000 Chicago alumni are not coming to DeKalb, and DeKalb/Sycamore does not have the population base to generate more attendance. It will not, I agree, increase attendance in DeKalb, but maybe the "engagement" is about getting some to contribute $.

This is a pipe dream, but fun to play with: if 160,000 alumni each contributed $100, that's $16 million. Too much? OK, at $10 apiece, that's $1.6 million.

It is actually $16M

The problem for NIU is the town of Dekalb, which needs to grow and show signs of life. Kids don't care about how a schools basketball team is doing, they want to be able to walk to Starbucks, Chipolte, BWW, microbrews and whatever else the current trend is.

When talking to the people at EIU, they tell me the same thing, but its difficult to get these companies to locate to these smaller town.

I think the town getting a couple of these larger corps (Fererra Pan & another one is coming) to have facilities in Dekalb is going to not only help with $$ from the taxes, but an influx of people moving out that way. A real good direction IMO for the city.

Somewhat of a trickle down effect with getting these companies out there. The local food places and businesses will have an increase of traffic during the week and the school has a chance to gain some more sponsors that are "local".

Need to have more people in Dekalb year round than just relying on the students as local places can't survive in the summer since the students are gone.
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(02-18-2020 02:39 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:28 PM)7 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:17 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  We had over close to 17K for the Utah game, with other home games the same year drawing 12K or less. Chances are the BYU game would have drawn decent at Huskie stadium.

How does that compare to ISU last year? The home opener is usually the best attended game of the year.

I get why people here are upset, but I’m not sure where they play the game really matters. With the deal they got to play there, it’s worth a shot.

14,568 for the ISU game.

So a 2500 fan bump for Utah with no rain like there was against ISU. I mean, that is better...but meh

Where they play the game might not matter for that one game. It's the long term impact of moving your only good game away from HS.
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They won 12 games in 2013 and were coming off 4 straight 10+ win seasons (and beat a big ten team early in the year)......and averaged 13,000 fans in a year they won the conference.

I mean that kind of speaks for itself
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(02-18-2020 02:43 PM)7 Wrote:  They won 12 games in 2013 and were coming off 4 straight 10+ win seasons (and beat a big ten team early in the year)......and averaged 13,000 fans in a year they won the conference.

I mean that kind of speaks for itself

Scheduling is as important or more important than record. Most fans could not care less about winning the MAC now anyways. If NIU commits to more fan friendly decisions for a 5 to 10 period, fans will start coming back. It is just going to take a LONG time.
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We will not see sellouts again. IMO, the best we will do is the 14K - 16K range. They just have to accept this as it is as a sign of the times. For a few reasons, interest in NIU football (and college football in general) has waned. If this doesn't work for Athletics' finances, they will just have to drop down to FCS.
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(02-18-2020 02:59 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  We will not see sellouts again. IMO, the best we will do is the 14K - 16K range. They just have to accept this as it is as a sign of the times. For a few reasons, interest in NIU football (and college football in general) has waned. If this doesn't work for Athletics' finances, they will just have to drop down to FCS.

Sadly, Dog Fan, I am forced to agree ...

Huskie Stadium all-time attendance records:

28,221 vs. WMU, (10-18-2003)
28,218 vs. Iowa State (09-27-2003)
28,071 vs. Southern Illinois (09-11-2004)
28,018 vs. Maryland (08-28-2003)
27,802 vs. Long Beach State (09-12-1981)
27,700 vs. Toledo (11-12-1983)

Consider that since 1965 when the west grandstand opened, through various capacity configurations, and more than 300 home games ... NIU attendance has only reached/topped 27,000 six times, and the last one was in 2004. And note that was eight years before the BCS Orange Bowl season.
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(02-18-2020 02:39 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:03 PM)Illini60940 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 01:52 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  FYI. Average attendance, home games, post-BCS Orange Bowl:

2013: 20,669
2014: 13,563
2015: 13,942
2016: 10,879
2017; 11,291
2018: 10,404
2019: 8,518

Regardless of the teams' records, head coaches, weather, location, opponents, facilities, etc., the actual living breathing fans are not showing up at Huskie Stadium. It doesn't matter what STF does or doesn't do. There are too many factors beyond his or NIU's control. But STF is still obligated to try, and the BYU/SeatGeek game is another.

I don't like the idea of moving the one big game to Bridgeview, but I hope it works anyway. Those 160,000 Chicago alumni are not coming to DeKalb, and DeKalb/Sycamore does not have the population base to generate more attendance. It will not, I agree, increase attendance in DeKalb, but maybe the "engagement" is about getting some to contribute $.

This is a pipe dream, but fun to play with: if 160,000 alumni each contributed $100, that's $16 million. Too much? OK, at $10 apiece, that's $1.6 million.

It is actually $16M

The problem for NIU is the town of Dekalb, which needs to grow and show signs of life. Kids don't care about how a schools basketball team is doing, they want to be able to walk to Starbucks, Chipolte, BWW, microbrews and whatever else the current trend is.

When talking to the people at EIU, they tell me the same thing, but its difficult to get these companies to locate to these smaller town.

I think the town getting a couple of these larger corps (Fererra Pan & another one is coming) to have facilities in Dekalb is going to not only help with $$ from the taxes, but an influx of people moving out that way. A real good direction IMO for the city.

Somewhat of a trickle down effect with getting these companies out there. The local food places and businesses will have an increase of traffic during the week and the school has a chance to gain some more sponsors that are "local".

Need to have more people in Dekalb year round than just relying on the students as local places can't survive in the summer since the students are gone.

Isn't the candy company just building a warehouse? That's not the kind of jobs that need to be moved here.

When I look around at the state schools this is what I see.

UICU is obviously set in stone as the flagship, UIC tags along there and has a great location. Nothing needs to be said there, top tier school

ISU has the built in edge as its in a great metro area, was there last week and stayed in the new Marriott hotel, downtown Normal is awesome and right next to campus. The other thing that sets them above the rest is the off campus housing being built.

And then there is the rest and this is where NIU should stand out because of location. EIU, WIU and SIU are so isolated and limits what they can do. NIU has the potential to grow along with the city of Dekalb and they need to focus on that together. Do that and they can join UICU, UIC and ISU as the public schools that prepare out students in the future.

To me, having a future football game closer to Chicago is a small piece of a puzzle in a larger plan.. NIU fans need to be patient, look at whats going on in Champaign and Normal and learn. But this is not a 2-5 year plan, more like a 10-20 year plan.
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(02-18-2020 02:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:05 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 01:52 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  FYI. Average attendance, home games, post-BCS Orange Bowl:

2013: 20,669
2014: 13,563
2015: 13,942
2016: 10,879
2017; 11,291
2018: 10,404
2019: 8,518

Regardless of the teams' records, head coaches, weather, location, opponents, facilities, etc., the actual living breathing fans are not showing up at Huskie Stadium. It doesn't matter what STF does or doesn't do. There are too many factors beyond his or NIU's control. But STF is still obligated to try, and the BYU/SeatGeek game is another.



I don't like the idea of moving the one big game to Bridgeview, but I hope it works anyway. Those 160,000 Chicago alumni are not coming to DeKalb, and DeKalb/Sycamore does not have the population base to generate more attendance. It will not, I agree, increase attendance in DeKalb, but maybe the "engagement" is about getting some to contribute $.

This is a pipe dream, but fun to play with: if 160,000 alumni each contributed $100, that's $16 million. Too much? OK, at $10 apiece, that's $1.6 million.

If by some miracle seat geek could draw 12k for Maction games you’d have to move all your weeknight games there. You just can’t function with 5k fans for any game if you’re a FBS team. I know it would infuriate some STH’s, but it’s the apathy of the NIU alumni/students that caused this. You can blame some on marketing, but schools with proud alumni don’t need marketing to show their support.

Get games back to Huskie stadium, make fans think there is a reason to buy tickets, commit to fans , and you will slowly build the base up again , not overnight bit over a decade. It took 15 years to destroy this, it wont be fixed overnight.

If NIUs enrollment was holding at 20k I’d totally agree with you. The problem is we don’t have 15 years to build new interest locally. They need an instant boost. Chicago market is the only option. Locally, Winning nor P5 home opponents didn’t help.
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(02-18-2020 02:43 PM)7 Wrote:  They won 12 games in 2013 and were coming off 4 straight 10+ win seasons (and beat a big ten team early in the year)......and averaged 13,000 fans in a year they won the conference.

I mean that kind of speaks for itself

The only home game they had in OOC in 2014 was Presbyterian. In the rain. Presbyterian. Can't blame the fans for that one. They had 20K at homecoming.
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(02-18-2020 03:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:43 PM)7 Wrote:  They won 12 games in 2013 and were coming off 4 straight 10+ win seasons (and beat a big ten team early in the year)......and averaged 13,000 fans in a year they won the conference.

I mean that kind of speaks for itself

The only home game they had in OOC in 2014 was Presbyterian. In the rain. Presbyterian. Can't blame the fans for that one. They had 20K at homecoming.

It is this type of scheduling that left a permanent bad taste in the mouths of many Huskie fans.
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(02-18-2020 03:14 PM)Illini60940 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:39 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:03 PM)Illini60940 Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 01:52 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  FYI. Average attendance, home games, post-BCS Orange Bowl:

2013: 20,669
2014: 13,563
2015: 13,942
2016: 10,879
2017; 11,291
2018: 10,404
2019: 8,518

Regardless of the teams' records, head coaches, weather, location, opponents, facilities, etc., the actual living breathing fans are not showing up at Huskie Stadium. It doesn't matter what STF does or doesn't do. There are too many factors beyond his or NIU's control. But STF is still obligated to try, and the BYU/SeatGeek game is another.

I don't like the idea of moving the one big game to Bridgeview, but I hope it works anyway. Those 160,000 Chicago alumni are not coming to DeKalb, and DeKalb/Sycamore does not have the population base to generate more attendance. It will not, I agree, increase attendance in DeKalb, but maybe the "engagement" is about getting some to contribute $.

This is a pipe dream, but fun to play with: if 160,000 alumni each contributed $100, that's $16 million. Too much? OK, at $10 apiece, that's $1.6 million.

It is actually $16M

The problem for NIU is the town of Dekalb, which needs to grow and show signs of life. Kids don't care about how a schools basketball team is doing, they want to be able to walk to Starbucks, Chipolte, BWW, microbrews and whatever else the current trend is.

When talking to the people at EIU, they tell me the same thing, but its difficult to get these companies to locate to these smaller town.

I think the town getting a couple of these larger corps (Fererra Pan & another one is coming) to have facilities in Dekalb is going to not only help with $$ from the taxes, but an influx of people moving out that way. A real good direction IMO for the city.

Somewhat of a trickle down effect with getting these companies out there. The local food places and businesses will have an increase of traffic during the week and the school has a chance to gain some more sponsors that are "local".

Need to have more people in Dekalb year round than just relying on the students as local places can't survive in the summer since the students are gone.

Isn't the candy company just building a warehouse? That's not the kind of jobs that need to be moved here.

When I look around at the state schools this is what I see.

UICU is obviously set in stone as the flagship, UIC tags along there and has a great location. Nothing needs to be said there, top tier school

ISU has the built in edge as its in a great metro area, was there last week and stayed in the new Marriott hotel, downtown Normal is awesome and right next to campus. The other thing that sets them above the rest is the off campus housing being built.

And then there is the rest and this is where NIU should stand out because of location. EIU, WIU and SIU are so isolated and limits what they can do. NIU has the potential to grow along with the city of Dekalb and they need to focus on that together. Do that and they can join UICU, UIC and ISU as the public schools that prepare out students in the future.

To me, having a future football game closer to Chicago is a small piece of a puzzle in a larger plan.. NIU fans need to be patient, look at whats going on in Champaign and Normal and learn. But this is not a 2-5 year plan, more like a 10-20 year plan.

#1. A minor point, but I already said $16m.
#2. NIU is already part of the Illinois Innovation Network with UIC and UofI. Planning $$ for an IIN hub facility at Northern was just announced.
#3. NIU is not located in Champaign or Bloomington/Normal. The economics, finances, student profile, development, access and fanbase metrics are all different when taken together. I agree, however, that NIU has advantages over Charleston, Macomb and Carbondale.

IMO, Northern's biggest problems are a history of internalism, Chicago-style campus politics, and a location close enough to the metro area to be a "suitcase school" but not far enough away to establish and build its own identity.

You are correct that the BYU/SeatGeek game is just one small piece, but the fact that it was the "big game" on campus has hit long-time fans hard. Northern has gradually disenfranchised its fanbase, and that fanbase is shrinking. Instead of heavy promotion, activities surrounding the game, i.e., making it a really big deal by drawing lessons from why the draw was only 16,700 for Utah, the decision was made to move the game in hopes of attracting some % of 160,000 Chicago alumni. And you can bet STF is counting heavily on BYU traveling well so the move can be justified.

But as you said, it's only one small piece. However, it is a huge slap to loyal fans who have steadily supported the Huskies over the years. And the students who had that one chance to see "big-time" football a short walk away? Not even a whisper of consideration in that regard.

There are plenty of people on the board capable of taking a longer view (though sometimes, when p'o'd, they don't). And in 10-20 years, a lot of us might not be around ... and that means they won't be getting our $$. Oh, the horror!
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RE: Big Announcement - Athletics
I’ve said it before. I live in Winfield. Although I am a 35 year fan, it’s gonna take a lot to get me to come out on a work night in November to watch the Huskies play a crappy MAC team. And I will guaran-flipping-tee you that I’m not gonna get any takers when I ask friends or family to come with me to watch the Akron/Ohio/EMU football game. Go to Bridgeview, forget it.

The University, if they are serious, needs to clean sheet the program and decide where they want to be. Look at Butler and the success they’ve achieved in basketball for a college their size. Similarly, North Dakota State in football. They do not have the resources that NIU has but have developed outstanding loyalty in their community. I’m sure the fans on this board can relate when I say I’m tired of the Chicago sports media treating Notre Dame as a “local” school with rarely a mention of NIU’s results during the sports.
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