Look folks. Precious played several games where he did this and the pgs were unable to get the ball to him on many possessions they should've.

When he posts up while sealing his man and presents his hand to receive the ball, the guards often times decide to keep swinging it around the perimeter.... Precious continues to seal, rotates to be able to receive the pass still and again no entry pass.

He's learned that the guards aren't gifted in doing that so now he keeps it when he gets it. Can't blame him for that.

Alo isn't going to the NBA neither is Tyler. Precious isn't playing with a D. Rose nor a CDR or AA.

His comparable mate to those guys was James. JAMES was supposed to be the ticket to easy feeds for Precious but that option is no longer.

DJ is out. Precious is THE MAN and now teams are game planning to stop him and are sending additional players to bother him.... often time it's Alo's man as he isn't an offensive threat.

Precious needs to play alongside guards that can attack and finish at the rim and provide drop off passes for some easy flushes. Boogie is the only option really but he's not a true pg either. Alo's 6 turnovers and 0 points while unguarded spells trouble for Precious.

Also, if he passes it there's a good chance the team will turn the ball over so again he needs to keep it to get his touches and shot attempts.

When you're a top prospect on a team who will turn it over 24 times any given night you're better off not passing it.

The offense is geared around that type of play anyways so keep it, get the experience handling the rock and when he's in the NBA his game will be better because of it.

The other guys will be working their 9 to 5s.....

The question is why is the best passer on the team,imo, sitting on the bench at the end of games while the coaches favorite destroys any offense that could be had?

(02-16-2020 05:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Look folks. Precious played several games where he did this and the pgs were unable to get the ball to him on many possessions they should've.

When he posts up while sealing his man and presents his hand to receive the ball, the guards often times decide to keep swinging it around the perimeter.... Precious continues to seal, rotates to be able to receive the pass still and again no entry pass.

He's learned that the guards aren't gifted in doing that so now he keeps it when he gets it. Can't blame him for that.

I do agree.

Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

(02-16-2020 06:25 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Look folks. Precious played several games where he did this and the pgs were unable to get the ball to him on many possessions they should've.

When he posts up while sealing his man and presents his hand to receive the ball, the guards often times decide to keep swinging it around the perimeter.... Precious continues to seal, rotates to be able to receive the pass still and again no entry pass.

He's learned that the guards aren't gifted in doing that so now he keeps it when he gets it. Can't blame him for that.

I do agree.

100%

Gifted or not BE, DB & LQ have length, can move giving them a much better chance to get the ball to the post. Even getting the ball high to MD has found some success with passes low to PA.

(02-16-2020 06:05 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  The question is why is the best passer on the team,imo, sitting on the bench at the end of games while the coaches favorite destroys any offense that could be had?

Cause Penny is out of elegibility.

(02-16-2020 06:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

This^

If we're going to lose either way let the loss be on the terrible guard play of two players who likely wouldn't start at any high level program. Precious trying to do it all and failing miserably like tonight isn't doing him any favors in the scouts eyes.

(02-16-2020 05:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Look folks. Precious played several games where he did this and the pgs were unable to get the ball to him on many possessions they should've.

When he posts up while sealing his man and presents his hand to receive the ball, the guards often times decide to keep swinging it around the perimeter.... Precious continues to seal, rotates to be able to receive the pass still and again no entry pass.

He's learned that the guards aren't gifted in doing that so now he keeps it when he gets it. Can't blame him for that.

This is BS...

Precious shoots 15.8 shots per 40 minutes...Martin shot 15.9 shots per 40 minutes last year. Precious is getting plenty of shots (3 more per game than anyone else)

Precious is not a low post scorer...He struggles to score over people...He has to get around them. So teams are just retreating to the goal and meeting him there and since he has 0 pullup game to speak of he cant take advantage.

But if Precious wants to win he would understand that if Alo's man is standing in the paint before he starts to drive...His goal should be getting Alo the ball before his first dribble. But since the other team knows Precious aint passing the ball there is no risk. If he begins to make that pass...Other teams will start to play honestly...Until he does he will be met with double and triple teams at the goal.

(02-17-2020 11:32 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Look folks. Precious played several games where he did this and the pgs were unable to get the ball to him on many possessions they should've.

When he posts up while sealing his man and presents his hand to receive the ball, the guards often times decide to keep swinging it around the perimeter.... Precious continues to seal, rotates to be able to receive the pass still and again no entry pass.

He's learned that the guards aren't gifted in doing that so now he keeps it when he gets it. Can't blame him for that.

This is BS...

Precious shoots 15.8 shots per 40 minutes...Martin shot 15.9 shots per 40 minutes last year. Precious is getting plenty of shots (3 more per game than anyone else)

Precious is not a low post scorer...He struggles to score over people...He has to get around them. So teams are just retreating to the goal and meeting him there and since he has 0 pullup game to speak of he cant take advantage.

But if Precious wants to win he would understand that if Alo's man is standing in the paint before he starts to drive...His goal should be getting Alo the ball before his first dribble. But since the other team knows Precious aint passing the ball there is no risk. If he begins to make that pass...Other teams will start to play honestly...Until he does he will be met with double and triple teams at the goal.

He definitely ain’t gonna pass the ball.

(02-16-2020 06:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

Precious could be deadly if he begins to trust his teammates.

If he drives with the intent of passing easy baskets will come. When he begins to make those passes teams start playing honestly and the lane opens up for his drives. But he has to play smart to make this happen.

(02-17-2020 11:32 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Look folks. Precious played several games where he did this and the pgs were unable to get the ball to him on many possessions they should've.

When he posts up while sealing his man and presents his hand to receive the ball, the guards often times decide to keep swinging it around the perimeter.... Precious continues to seal, rotates to be able to receive the pass still and again no entry pass.

He's learned that the guards aren't gifted in doing that so now he keeps it when he gets it. Can't blame him for that.

This is BS...

Precious shoots 15.8 shots per 40 minutes...Martin shot 15.9 shots per 40 minutes last year. Precious is getting plenty of shots (3 more per game than anyone else)

Precious is not a low post scorer...He struggles to score over people...He has to get around them. So teams are just retreating to the goal and meeting him there and since he has 0 pullup game to speak of he cant take advantage.

But if Precious wants to win he would understand that if Alo's man is standing in the paint before he starts to drive...His goal should be getting Alo the ball before his first dribble. But since the other team knows Precious aint passing the ball there is no risk. If he begins to make that pass...Other teams will start to play honestly...Until he does he will be met with double and triple teams at the goal.

Lol. When teams are able to collapse players on him because we have no other low post option (no James) and players aren't making perimeter shots (shooting 5 for 30 from 3) then yea he will struggle.

What are your suggestions for good improvement and the team's improvement?

(02-17-2020 03:58 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:32 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:41 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Look folks. Precious played several games where he did this and the pgs were unable to get the ball to him on many possessions they should've.

When he posts up while sealing his man and presents his hand to receive the ball, the guards often times decide to keep swinging it around the perimeter.... Precious continues to seal, rotates to be able to receive the pass still and again no entry pass.

He's learned that the guards aren't gifted in doing that so now he keeps it when he gets it. Can't blame him for that.

This is BS...

Precious shoots 15.8 shots per 40 minutes...Martin shot 15.9 shots per 40 minutes last year. Precious is getting plenty of shots (3 more per game than anyone else)

Precious is not a low post scorer...He struggles to score over people...He has to get around them. So teams are just retreating to the goal and meeting him there and since he has 0 pullup game to speak of he cant take advantage.

But if Precious wants to win he would understand that if Alo's man is standing in the paint before he starts to drive...His goal should be getting Alo the ball before his first dribble. But since the other team knows Precious aint passing the ball there is no risk. If he begins to make that pass...Other teams will start to play honestly...Until he does he will be met with double and triple teams at the goal.

Lol. When teams are able to collapse players on him because we have no other low post option (no James) and players aren't making perimeter shots (shooting 5 for 30 from 3) then yea he will struggle.

What are your suggestions for good improvement and the team's improvement?

macgar32's post #13 just before your post #14 states pretty clearly that if Precious will learn to distribute the ball instead of going 1 on 2 or 1 on 3, that opponents will have to give him a bit more space due to the passing threat he would pose...this adjustment would raise Precious' game above his already stellar level.

Precious was doing that even when Wiseman was still here. That's how I learned his perimeter ballhandling was iffy.

(02-16-2020 06:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

I am at the point that whenever I see him go 1on1 I expect him to get a TO.

(02-17-2020 04:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Precious was doing that even when Wiseman was still here. That's how I learned his perimeter ballhandling was iffy.

(02-16-2020 06:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

I am at the point that whenever I see him go 1on1 I expect him to get a TO.

That spin move is there most plays if the defender didn't have help.

Issue is there is always help because he isn't a threat to pass.

(02-18-2020 11:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 04:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Precious was doing that even when Wiseman was still here. That's how I learned his perimeter ballhandling was iffy.

(02-16-2020 06:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

I am at the point that whenever I see him go 1on1 I expect him to get a TO.

That spin move is there most plays if the defender didn't have help.

Issue is there is always help because he isn't a threat to pass.

Well he isn't a threat to pass because the majority of the time it's Lomax's man and well Lomax isn't a threat to shoot/score so passing to Lomax does no good either.

It goes back to my question of why is Lomax on the floor so much, especially at the end of games?

It just gets tiring to watch the offense start well or begin playing well only to watch it come to a complete halt when Lomax enters.

Lomax shouldn't be on the floor to close games out unless Baugh, Boogie, or Lester are in foul trouble. Lomax also shouldn't be the guy taking a last second shot to tie or win a game.

At the end of games the best players need to be on the court. On this team that isn't Lomax.

(02-18-2020 12:24 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 11:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 04:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Precious was doing that even when Wiseman was still here. That's how I learned his perimeter ballhandling was iffy.

(02-16-2020 06:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

I am at the point that whenever I see him go 1on1 I expect him to get a TO.

That spin move is there most plays if the defender didn't have help.

Issue is there is always help because he isn't a threat to pass.

Well he isn't a threat to pass because the majority of the time it's Lomax's man and well Lomax isn't a threat to shoot/score so passing to Lomax does no good either.

It goes back to my question of why is Lomax on the floor so much, especially at the end of games?

It just gets tiring to watch the offense start well or begin playing well only to watch it come to a complete halt when Lomax enters.

Lomax shouldn't be on the floor to close games out unless Baugh, Boogie, or Lester are in foul trouble. Lomax also shouldn't be the guy taking a last second shot to tie or win a game.

At the end of games the best players need to be on the court. On this team that isn't Lomax.

Who else you got...

You have Lester, Boogie, Q and Precious.

Then you have to choose between Lance, Alo, Tyler, Dandridge, Maurice and Baugh. All of those guys have weaknesses.

You say teams don't guard Lomax...Heck they don't guard Baugh either, Lomax better than Baugh on offense Baugh better on defense.

Tyler better than Lomax on offense much worse on Defense.

But I prefer Lance though because I want someone who is going to be able to compete on the boards at the end.

People are just piling on Lomax and I don't think it is fair.

(02-18-2020 12:41 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 12:24 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 11:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 04:12 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Precious was doing that even when Wiseman was still here. That's how I learned his perimeter ballhandling was iffy.

(02-16-2020 06:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Precious in the flow of an offense is deadly. Precious on the perimeter going one on one is terrible.

I am at the point that whenever I see him go 1on1 I expect him to get a TO.

That spin move is there most plays if the defender didn't have help.

Issue is there is always help because he isn't a threat to pass.

Well he isn't a threat to pass because the majority of the time it's Lomax's man and well Lomax isn't a threat to shoot/score so passing to Lomax does no good either.

It goes back to my question of why is Lomax on the floor so much, especially at the end of games?

It just gets tiring to watch the offense start well or begin playing well only to watch it come to a complete halt when Lomax enters.

Lomax shouldn't be on the floor to close games out unless Baugh, Boogie, or Lester are in foul trouble. Lomax also shouldn't be the guy taking a last second shot to tie or win a game.

At the end of games the best players need to be on the court. On this team that isn't Lomax.

Who else you got...

You have Lester, Boogie, Q and Precious.

Then you have to choose between Lance, Alo, Tyler and Baugh. All of those guys have weaknesses.

People are just piling on Lomax and I don't think it is fair.

If Tyler is making shots he's got to be on the floor it's that simple. The defense issue will work itself out.

I'm also definitely putting Baugh out there over Alo because again 6'3/6'4 guard over a sub 6ft guard. Also Baugh has a better skill set than Lomax.

Next if Lance isn't in foul trouble I want him out there for 2 reasons. First being his defense and length. Second he can provide spacing because of his ability to knock down shots.

The Lomax criticism is fair, but I think most of the criticism is aimed at Penny for playing him too much. Penny is trying to make Alex out to be something he just isn't.

So at the end of games if Tyler is hitting shots then it needs to be Boogie, Lester, Precious, Tyler and Lance/Baugh depending on who isn't in foul trouble. Both provide size and defense.

If Tyler isn't making shots then it's Boogie, Baugh, Lester, Lance, Precious.

The only reason for Lomax to be on the floor to try and close a game out is if one of the guards or Lance is in foul trouble.

It's a trend at this point that when Lomax comes in the game starts to shift towards the other team down the stretch. It's really nothing against Lomax because he is who he is as a player, but it's mostly towards Penny trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with Lomax out there at the end of games.

Lomax to me is Andre Allen. He's going to come in and give you energy and effort off the bench which is what you need, but at the end of games you need your best players and guys with bigger skill sets.