(02-12-2020 12:43 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:25 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:23 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:03 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 10:52 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  Interesting conversation. Tubby was EVISCERATED by this board for suggesting the word "discipline".

I'm with the old-schoolers (probably because I'm 49). It's tough for teachers/coaches/leaders of young people nowadays. And, it has to be compounded 10x's over when dealing with 4-5 star athletes that have been worshiped since their formative years, based solely on their ability to throw a ball or jump high.

No.. Tubby did not suggest the word "discipline". His word was "obedience". There is a difference.

Yes entirely different statement and context.

Like I said, I'm old and old-fashioned. In my book, obedience is not a bad word.

I am sure your wife agrees with you.

Nah. She started talking back, so I got rid of her.

Discipline is more of a self- controlled thing. You may learn discipline or even be disciplined but at some point it becomes something you yourself controls. Obedience is giving your choices to someone else and you obey them. I would never tell my child to obey anyone. I have taught you right from wrong and you are the one who has to make the decisions. The moment you run into someone who wants to force you to do what they want you to do, there is a problem.

(02-12-2020 12:48 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Discipline is more of a self- controlled thing. You may learn discipline or even be disciplined but at some point it becomes something you yourself controls. Obedience is giving your choices to someone else and you obey them. I would never tell my child to obey anyone. I have taught you right from wrong and you are the one who has to make the decisions. The moment you run into someone who wants to force you to do what they want you to do, there is a problem.

Different strokes, I suppose. I teach my children to obey the teacher, cop, etc., unless it's something they know to be immoral.

smh . If you teach them to obey authoritarian figures like cops priests school teachers Boy Scout leaders etc without question, you are assuming everyone they meet will be ‘moral’ .

(02-12-2020 01:22 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  smh . If you teach them to obey authoritarian figures like cops priests school teachers Boy Scout leaders etc without question, you are assuming everyone they meet will be ‘moral’ .

I never said "obey" without question. I said obey, as long as it isn't immoral/illegal. They know that if an authority figure says to "touch my pickle", that's not right.

But, if the teacher says "do your work", that they do their work. Or, if a cop gives a lawful order, then they are to obey.

Sorry?

(02-12-2020 11:49 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Yeah I ain't never letting neighbors discipline my children.

That’s what I’m saying. Back in the day you trusted your neighbors. You could go out and play all day as long as you were in shouting distance at dark. Every parent looked out for all the kids in the neighborhood. Things are much different now.

(02-12-2020 01:48 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 01:22 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  smh . If you teach them to obey authoritarian figures like cops priests school teachers Boy Scout leaders etc without question, you are assuming everyone they meet will be ‘moral’ .

I never said "obey" without question. I said obey, as long as it isn't immoral/illegal. They know that if an authority figure says to "touch my pickle", that's not right.

But, if the teacher says "do your work", that they do their work. Or, if a cop gives a lawful order, then they are to obey.

Sorry?

whatevs

(02-12-2020 12:25 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:23 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:03 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 10:52 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  Interesting conversation. Tubby was EVISCERATED by this board for suggesting the word "discipline".

I'm with the old-schoolers (probably because I'm 49). It's tough for teachers/coaches/leaders of young people nowadays. And, it has to be compounded 10x's over when dealing with 4-5 star athletes that have been worshiped since their formative years, based solely on their ability to throw a ball or jump high.

No.. Tubby did not suggest the word "discipline". His word was "obedience". There is a difference.

Yes entirely different statement and context.

Like I said, I'm old and old-fashioned. In my book, obedience is not a bad word.

Few words are "bad" standing alone. There is nothing inherently wrong with the word obedience. It was the context in which he used the word that problematic.

(02-12-2020 05:18 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:25 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:23 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 12:03 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 10:52 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  Interesting conversation. Tubby was EVISCERATED by this board for suggesting the word "discipline".

I'm with the old-schoolers (probably because I'm 49). It's tough for teachers/coaches/leaders of young people nowadays. And, it has to be compounded 10x's over when dealing with 4-5 star athletes that have been worshiped since their formative years, based solely on their ability to throw a ball or jump high.

No.. Tubby did not suggest the word "discipline". His word was "obedience". There is a difference.

Yes entirely different statement and context.

Like I said, I'm old and old-fashioned. In my book, obedience is not a bad word.

Few words are "bad" standing alone. There is nothing inherently wrong with the word obedience. It was the context in which he used the word that problematic.

Fair enough. I can see your point.

https://twitter.com/mgiannotto/status/95...8663126017
Mark Gianotto's tweet from 1/27/18
"Tubby's yelling isn't working. His players look frustrated. Body language is awful right now. Jimario Rivers just took a hard fall. Cincinnati now up 28-14."



JRockTigers
@JRockTigers
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Jan 27, 2018
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@mgiannotto
They are being 'obedient' and running the same lame offensive set all season. This is awful


Tom Simpson
@simpsontom4118
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Jan 27, 2018
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@mgiannotto
This team looks ready to implode based on what I'm seeing.
Benjamin Thomas
@benthomas9
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Jan 27, 2018
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This is the weakest MEMPHIS team I have ever witnessed in 50 years

Who is suggesting that Penny yell at them?

It was supposed to go in one of the many PATiger threads as a reminder. I’m too lazy to move it.

(02-13-2020 07:27 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It was supposed to go in one of the many PATiger threads as a reminder. I’m too lazy to move it.

(02-13-2020 07:27 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It was supposed to go in one of the many PATiger threads as a reminder. I’m too lazy to move it.

Makes sense, from someone lacking in obedience.

(02-13-2020 09:10 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 07:27 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It was supposed to go in one of the many PATiger threads as a reminder. I’m too lazy to move it.

Makes sense, from someone lacking in obedience.

Obedient types are evah so boring.

It's a terrible thing not to have a mind.

(And there ain't no way I woulda put my kid on a sacrificial stone to knife his guts out....no matter who commanded me )

(02-13-2020 12:29 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Obedient types are evah so boring.

It's a terrible thing not to have a mind.

(And there ain't no way I woulda put my kid on a sacrificial stone to knife his guts out....no matter who commanded me )

It was a combination of that and Job that pushed me into atheism as a pre-teen.

Or, we could take my joke about obedience into a discussion on atheism.

I guess that's an option, too.

(02-13-2020 12:49 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  Or, we could take my joke about obedience into a discussion on atheism.

I guess that's an option, too.

That escalated quickly...

(02-13-2020 01:36 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-13-2020 12:49 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  Or, we could take my joke about obedience into a discussion on atheism.

I guess that's an option, too.

That escalated quickly...

No chit, homie.

I guess the word obedience, even used in jest, "triggers" some people?