(01-27-2020 08:54 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  That might be the real question. Do enough people care about ND bb? Maybe that's what he's asking.

No, it is not at all.

He is bitching that the ACC is taking out ND's football independent status on its full time member basketball program.

(01-28-2020 06:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 08:54 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  That might be the real question. Do enough people care about ND bb? Maybe that's what he's asking.

No, it is not at all.

He is bitching that the ACC is taking out ND's football independent status on its full time member basketball program.

I wonder is other Notre Dame coaches feel the same discrimination?
The pressure to conform may actually come from within the Notre Dame athletic department.

Did coach K get reprimanded for his comments about the officiating after the Louisville game? It didn’t reach this level but it was a decent rant.


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(01-28-2020 08:14 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Did coach K get reprimanded for his comments about the officiating after the Louisville game? It didn’t reach this level but it was a decent rant.


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He didn't criticize the officials. He just said the game was too physical. We can make the logical connection to the officials not blowing their whistles enough but K never made it. Coach K is more clever than Brey.

(01-28-2020 06:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 08:54 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  That might be the real question. Do enough people care about ND bb? Maybe that's what he's asking.

No, it is not at all.

He is bitching that the ACC is taking out ND's football independent status on its full time member basketball program.

I wonder is other Notre Dame coaches feel the same discrimination?
The pressure to conform may actually come from within the Notre Dame athletic department.

It is creating hard feelings against the ACC among a number of ND fans.

Mike Brey is pissed at the ACC, not his own administration.

I keep hearing that basketball officiating is not conference controlled, if that is true then what can the ACC do? It does seem that there is some bias in officiating when it comes to certain teams, so I don’t know what to believe.

(01-28-2020 09:32 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I keep hearing that basketball officiating is not conference controlled, if that is true then what can the ACC do? It does seem that there is some bias in officiating when it comes to certain teams, so I don’t know what to believe.

ACC officials are part of a multi-conference group.

(01-28-2020 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 08:54 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  That might be the real question. Do enough people care about ND bb? Maybe that's what he's asking.

No, it is not at all.

He is bitching that the ACC is taking out ND's football independent status on its full time member basketball program.

I wonder is other Notre Dame coaches feel the same discrimination?
The pressure to conform may actually come from within the Notre Dame athletic department.

It is creating hard feelings against the ACC among a number of ND fans.

Mike Brey is pissed at the ACC, not his own administration.

Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

(01-28-2020 09:32 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I keep hearing that basketball officiating is not conference controlled, if that is true then what can the ACC do? It does seem that there is some bias in officiating when it comes to certain teams, so I don’t know what to believe.

The ACC does control the officials. Bryan Kersey is the director of basketball officials for the ACC. However, the NCAA controls the rules and the interpretation of the rules.

(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-27-2020 08:54 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  That might be the real question. Do enough people care about ND bb? Maybe that's what he's asking.

No, it is not at all.

He is bitching that the ACC is taking out ND's football independent status on its full time member basketball program.

I wonder is other Notre Dame coaches feel the same discrimination?
The pressure to conform may actually come from within the Notre Dame athletic department.

It is creating hard feelings against the ACC among a number of ND fans.

Mike Brey is pissed at the ACC, not his own administration.

Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

You lost me there....

(01-28-2020 09:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  No, it is not at all.

He is bitching that the ACC is taking out ND's football independent status on its full time member basketball program.

I wonder is other Notre Dame coaches feel the same discrimination?
The pressure to conform may actually come from within the Notre Dame athletic department.

It is creating hard feelings against the ACC among a number of ND fans.

Mike Brey is pissed at the ACC, not his own administration.

Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

You lost me there....

1. ND football feels like fans are getting a little too chummy with the ACC
2. asks Brey to look for a pretense to create a rift
3. ND reels in fans, maintains independence another quarter century
#TheTruthIsOutThere

(01-28-2020 09:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:40 AM)XLance Wrote:  I wonder is other Notre Dame coaches feel the same discrimination?
The pressure to conform may actually come from within the Notre Dame athletic department.

It is creating hard feelings against the ACC among a number of ND fans.

Mike Brey is pissed at the ACC, not his own administration.

Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

You lost me there....

1. ND football feels like fans are getting a little too chummy with the ACC
2. asks Brey to look for a pretense to create a rift
3. ND reels in fans, maintains independence another quarter century
#TheTruthIsOutThere

Things like many ACC teams having byes before playing ND in football and a belief that basketball officiating seems tilted against ND in favor of other ACC schools leads some ND fans to resent (more?) the ACC.

I am not saying that I agree with them and not expecting anyone here to, just trying to explain the mindset.

It is no more complicated than that.

(01-28-2020 10:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It is creating hard feelings against the ACC among a number of ND fans.

Mike Brey is pissed at the ACC, not his own administration.

Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

You lost me there....

1. ND football feels like fans are getting a little too chummy with the ACC
2. asks Brey to look for a pretense to create a rift
3. ND reels in fans, maintains independence another quarter century
#TheTruthIsOutThere

Things like many ACC teams having byes before playing ND in football and a belief that basketball officiating seems tilted against ND in favor of other ACC schools leads some ND fans to resent (more?) the ACC.

I am not saying that I agree with them and not expecting anyone here to, just trying to explain the mindset.

It is no more complicated than that.

I'm sure you're correct -- I'm just offering bait which you clearly are NOT taking.

The bye week thing has a logical explanation, but perhaps one most Irish fans don't want to hear:
1. The ACC forbids teams from gaining advantage over a conference opponent by means of the bye week, but there is not such restriction on non-conference opponents.
2. Most teams prefer to take a bye week near the middle of the season
3. The biggest non-conference game near the middle of the season for most ACC teams is going to be Notre Dame.

All of that said, this goes away if/when the Irish join the ACC for football (I know, I know). You simply can't have it both ways - either your in (with all of the perks that come with membership), or you're out (in which case, all's fair in love and war).

One of the more disturbing things I remember was from several years ago where refs were trained to anticipate fouls, rather than calling fouls as they see them. Their reasoning was that the more athletic, better players would naturally draw more fouls. It’s not hard to see which teams benefited from that the most.

(01-28-2020 10:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:07 AM)TerryD Wrote:  It is creating hard feelings against the ACC among a number of ND fans.

Mike Brey is pissed at the ACC, not his own administration.

Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

You lost me there....

1. ND football feels like fans are getting a little too chummy with the ACC
2. asks Brey to look for a pretense to create a rift
3. ND reels in fans, maintains independence another quarter century
#TheTruthIsOutThere

Things like many ACC teams having byes before playing ND in football and a belief that basketball officiating seems tilted against ND in favor of other ACC schools leads some ND fans to resent (more?) the ACC.

I am not saying that I agree with them and not expecting anyone here to, just trying to explain the mindset.

It is no more complicated than that.

I don't think there were as many complaints about basketball officiating from Notre Dame fans when Notre Dame had Bonzie Colson and a stronger team.

Recruit some studs and you'll have fewer complaints.

(01-28-2020 10:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Things like many ACC teams having byes before playing ND in football

Welcome to the Paul Johnson treatment. Expect nobody to notice or care unless your FB HC throws a hissy in front of the press like PJ did.

(01-28-2020 10:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 10:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

You lost me there....

1. ND football feels like fans are getting a little too chummy with the ACC
2. asks Brey to look for a pretense to create a rift
3. ND reels in fans, maintains independence another quarter century
#TheTruthIsOutThere

Things like many ACC teams having byes before playing ND in football and a belief that basketball officiating seems tilted against ND in favor of other ACC schools leads some ND fans to resent (more?) the ACC.

I am not saying that I agree with them and not expecting anyone here to, just trying to explain the mindset.

It is no more complicated than that.

I'm sure you're correct -- I'm just offering bait which you clearly are NOT taking.

The bye week thing has a logical explanation, but perhaps one most Irish fans don't want to hear:
1. The ACC forbids teams from gaining advantage over a conference opponent by means of the bye week, but there is not such restriction on non-conference opponents.
2. Most teams prefer to take a bye week near the middle of the season
3. The biggest non-conference game near the middle of the season for most ACC teams is going to be Notre Dame.

All of that said, this goes away if/when the Irish join the ACC for football (I know, I know). You simply can't have it both ways - either your in (with all of the perks that come with membership), or you're out (in which case, all's fair in love and war).

I hear you and understand that, but causing ND fans to hate the ACC is not a good way to convince them to join in full.

To channel Green:

COUNTERPRODUCTIVE

I understand the ACC fan perspective. Just trying to accurately reflect the ND fan mindset (which is what I try to do with realignment issues as well).

(01-28-2020 11:15 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 10:15 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:59 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 09:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Perhaps orchestrated by the football program?
#ConspiracyTheoryNumber107

You lost me there....

1. ND football feels like fans are getting a little too chummy with the ACC
2. asks Brey to look for a pretense to create a rift
3. ND reels in fans, maintains independence another quarter century
#TheTruthIsOutThere

Things like many ACC teams having byes before playing ND in football and a belief that basketball officiating seems tilted against ND in favor of other ACC schools leads some ND fans to resent (more?) the ACC.

I am not saying that I agree with them and not expecting anyone here to, just trying to explain the mindset.

It is no more complicated than that.

I don't think there were as many complaints about basketball officiating from Notre Dame fans when Notre Dame had Bonzie Colson and a stronger team.

Recruit some studs and you'll have fewer complaints.

I think my first comment in this thread reflected that.

I have noticed that in EVERY conference in EVERY sport and at EVERY level. Officiating is said to the Worst it has every been.? In football, basketball, baseball, hockey, etc.....


So my question is instead of complaining about it over and over and over again, what ACTUAL solutions do you think would help, in this technologically advanced world we are living in.....where they are constantly fact-checked live and in 4K HD.


...are any referee full time??? benefits??? is this their 2nd or 3rd job???? how incentivized are they to improve???

Need robot referees.