(01-17-2020 11:22 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:46 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 12:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 10:23 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 08:18 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  The "FCS for Life" folk place an overwhelming emphasis on post season football, and argue from that position only. Those of us who'd prefer JMU to be an FBS team generally argue from the position that the regular season is the reason to move up but site a number of other issues in staying FCS,. The latest being the second rate treatment entering the gates in Frisco. I'd like to know if there was any bowl, including the FBS playoffs, where fans stood in line for an hour just to enter. I highly doubt Monday night's game did that to the fans. With that said, JMU did this to the students back in 2012. It was one of the HS band games. The student line stretched all the way to Champions drive. I watched a person near the end who was in line prior to KO not walk through the gates until halftime. We didn't have our shi! together. If you don't complain to the authority it will never be fixed and eventually there will not be 10K attend the FCS championship.

What stands out to me is that we (JMU fans only not including visiting fans) put over 20k butts in seats during the season but only half that number (the others being visiting fans) during playoffs and this includes the championship game. Therefore it's clear we have more interest in regular season games than post season.

I can only imagine the uptick in regular season interest if we upgraded the competition coming to BFS. I can easily see 30k fans coming through the gates the first time East Carolina, Appy, Marshall, and ODU make their way to Harrisonburg. I'd up that number to 35K when NC State, Duke, Pitt, and Louisville do deals with the Dukes. I'd further increase the number to 40k when UVA and Tech finally try their hand against us on our turf. It's perfectly clear fans want competitive games during the season by a simple look at the numbers when Appy hosted Miami in Boone. I'd also wager that Appy had huge numbers traveling to UNC and South Carolina. The regular season rules college football.

Furthermore, only a fool believes more than about 10 teams every season play for the FBS title. Tech, UVA, UNC, and over 100 other FBS teams play to be in and win a New Year's day game which is no different than what our
team should aspire to achieve. However, it's the AD's job to position his team's ability to not only win but create entertainment for the alumni.

Perfectly said. This is the point I have been trying to make forever. It isn't the few postseason games against juggernauts like Monmouth that are what matter. It is the dozen regular season games.

The notion that FBS is worthless if we aren't an automatic CFP candidate is ridiculous. We have to pay our dues at every level.

Case in point: Utah. When Terrence Apted was a freshman there, the Utes were undefeated and ranked #3. They couldn't get any higher than that because they were in a G5 conference (Mountain West). They blew out Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl (35-7 if memory serves). They continued to dominate their conference and, what do you know, they were invited to BCS (Pac-12).

That's how it happens. Barring a miracle with a simultaneous aligning of the stars, we are not going straight to a P5 conference. We must pay our dues at the G5 level. Every day we screw around monitoring the situation in FCS is another day removed from those opportunities.

a p5 conference? did you miswrite that?

i hate to break it to you....we ain't ever going to a P5 conference. Neither is App State, ODU, ECU, or any others that one might consider a "peer".

FYI - Utah started football in 1892. It took them 119 years to reach the P5 level. Don't hold your breath waiting for us to get to the P5.

Utah didn't get to P5 because they have been playing football since 1892. They got to P5 because of their performance in the 21st Century. I thought that was fairly obvious. Otherwise, Harvard and Yale would be P5.

Dude I want to go to FBS as much as anyone but it kills me how ignorant and dumb people sound who think JMU could go P5.

Utah got into the PAC-12, not just because of football (it helped I'm sure) but it was more because they have more than a billion dollar endowment, have a great medical school and are in the top 65 in research spending ($380M in 2018). IOW they fit in with their peer institutions in the PAC-12.

Until we get an endowment that encroaches on $1B, add a law and/or medical school and spend at least $100M on research (probably more like $200M), as well as join APLU or ORAU or some other more prestigious academic affiliation, we're not getting a sniff by the ACC. Its not just about sports its about prestige. Even schools like VT, Louisville and Florida State bring serious chops and credibility when you look at their affiliations, accomplishments and $$$.

Additionally we would need to double our athletic budget. We would also need to continue to dominate football at the G5 level and have a basketball team that can get to the NCAAT regularly. All this with the continued or expanded success of our women's teams and Olympic men's teams.

I would say you have a better chance of winning the lottery in your lifetime than JMU does of joining the ACC. So let's all be realistic that G5 is the target. The holy grail for us for the next 25 years should be to get to the AAC, which we have an outside shot at doing right away but probably need a successful stop at the Sunbelt or CUSA first. Do that, and expand the university's academic profile and $$$$ and then maybe we could consider talking about how far we can go.

That's what I have been saying! Why are you arguing? Baby steps. G5, then grow from there. The ACC isn't going to call us tomorrow. We have to pay our dues. I have been saying this. The longer we pay our dues in FCS, the longer the journey will be. It would be nice to see some progress in our lifetimes, but.... monitoring the situation may be the best we can expect.

(01-17-2020 04:03 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 03:12 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:19 AM)iStoopify Wrote:  if you all truly feel that Morgan State, Elon, Chattanooga, Richmond, RI, and Weber State are your peers on the football field - who am I to judge? But they are certainly not App's peers.

Also, FBS is better than FCS in countless ways. If you don't think the #19 next to our name all day long on the ESPN ticker all day long is more valuable than second place in what is largely seen as D2, well, you can't fix stupid.

Welcome to the shenandoah valley. The lil'ol jmu fcs for life crowd will always find a way to claim dll is where JMU belongs

Purplehazed get's it. The biggest difference between FCS and FBS is the regular football season. Just looking at JMU schedule for 2020 I would today predict JMU to finish the regular season next year with a record of 10-1. I would also predict the same record for over half of the members of the Sun Belt it they were playing the same schedule next year. If JMU was playing Georgia Southern schedule next year I would project JMU at 4-8 at best and also would not be surprised if finish 1-11.

Bullsh!t. If JMU would go 4-8, then so will GA Southern because I think we would trim you all pretty good on your own field.

(01-16-2020 10:23 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 08:18 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  The "FCS for Life" folk place an overwhelming emphasis on post season football, and argue from that position only. Those of us who'd prefer JMU to be an FBS team generally argue from the position that the regular season is the reason to move up but site a number of other issues in staying FCS,. The latest being the second rate treatment entering the gates in Frisco. I'd like to know if there was any bowl, including the FBS playoffs, where fans stood in line for an hour just to enter. I highly doubt Monday night's game did that to the fans. With that said, JMU did this to the students back in 2012. It was one of the HS band games. The student line stretched all the way to Champions drive. I watched a person near the end who was in line prior to KO not walk through the gates until halftime. We didn't have our shi! together. If you don't complain to the authority it will never be fixed and eventually there will not be 10K attend the FCS championship.

What stands out to me is that we (JMU fans only not including visiting fans) put over 20k butts in seats during the season but only half that number (the others being visiting fans) during playoffs and this includes the championship game. Therefore it's clear we have more interest in regular season games than post season.

I can only imagine the uptick in regular season interest if we upgraded the competition coming to BFS. I can easily see 30k fans coming through the gates the first time East Carolina, Appy, Marshall, and ODU make their way to Harrisonburg. I'd up that number to 35K when NC State, Duke, Pitt, and Louisville do deals with the Dukes. I'd further increase the number to 40k when UVA and Tech finally try their hand against us on our turf. It's perfectly clear fans want competitive games during the season by a simple look at the numbers when Appy hosted Miami in Boone. I'd also wager that Appy had huge numbers traveling to UNC and South Carolina. The regular season rules college football.

Furthermore, only a fool believes more than about 10 teams every season play for the FBS title. Tech, UVA, UNC, and over 100 other FBS teams play to be in and win a New Year's day game which is no different than what our
team should aspire to achieve. However, it's the AD's job to position his team's ability to not only win but create entertainment for the alumni.

Perfectly said. This is the point I have been trying to make forever. It isn't the few postseason games against juggernauts like Monmouth that are what matter. It is the dozen regular season games.

The notion that FBS is worthless if we aren't an automatic CFP candidate is ridiculous. We have to pay our dues at every level.

Case in point: Utah. When Terrence Apted was a freshman there, the Utes were undefeated and ranked #3. They couldn't get any higher than that because they were in a G5 conference (Mountain West). They blew out Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl (35-7 if memory serves). They continued to dominate their conference and, what do you know, they were invited to BCS (Pac-12).

That's how it happens. Barring a miracle with a simultaneous aligning of the stars, we are not going straight to a P5 conference. We must pay our dues at the G5 level. Every day we screw around monitoring the situation in FCS is another day removed from those opportunities.

I don't think Utah is good example given what they brought to the table went well beyond football. Utah is a flagship state university located in a large metro area; that happens to be the state's capital. It's a school with tremendous resources (current endowment over 1 billion dollars).

While their 2003 football season really started to turn heads and got Urban Meyer tons of pub, Utah athletics were on the map nationally years (decades) before thanks to a highly respected basketball program. Five years prior to the Utes Fiesta Bowl win, Rick Majerus led their hoops team to the national title game where they lost a close battle to Kentucky. The Runnin' Utes had the unfortunate luck of running into UK in the tourney far too often. Their hoops program has 4 Final Fours, 27 Tourney Appearances, 16 Sweet 16 appearances etc. Their arena hosted the memorable Bird-Magic 1979 Title game as well as numerous other tournament games.

The other big key to Utah's success is SLC hosting the 2002 Winter Olympics. The $$$$ from that allowed the university to update several of their athletic facilities including a basically all new football stadium that was used for the opening and closing ceremonies.

Didn't hurt that the PAC 12 conference invite quieted down Sen. Orrin Hatch and his BCS antitrust crusade. Utah joins the cartel and all is forgiven.

(01-18-2020 12:50 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 10:23 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 08:18 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  The "FCS for Life" folk place an overwhelming emphasis on post season football, and argue from that position only. Those of us who'd prefer JMU to be an FBS team generally argue from the position that the regular season is the reason to move up but site a number of other issues in staying FCS,. The latest being the second rate treatment entering the gates in Frisco. I'd like to know if there was any bowl, including the FBS playoffs, where fans stood in line for an hour just to enter. I highly doubt Monday night's game did that to the fans. With that said, JMU did this to the students back in 2012. It was one of the HS band games. The student line stretched all the way to Champions drive. I watched a person near the end who was in line prior to KO not walk through the gates until halftime. We didn't have our shi! together. If you don't complain to the authority it will never be fixed and eventually there will not be 10K attend the FCS championship.

What stands out to me is that we (JMU fans only not including visiting fans) put over 20k butts in seats during the season but only half that number (the others being visiting fans) during playoffs and this includes the championship game. Therefore it's clear we have more interest in regular season games than post season.

I can only imagine the uptick in regular season interest if we upgraded the competition coming to BFS. I can easily see 30k fans coming through the gates the first time East Carolina, Appy, Marshall, and ODU make their way to Harrisonburg. I'd up that number to 35K when NC State, Duke, Pitt, and Louisville do deals with the Dukes. I'd further increase the number to 40k when UVA and Tech finally try their hand against us on our turf. It's perfectly clear fans want competitive games during the season by a simple look at the numbers when Appy hosted Miami in Boone. I'd also wager that Appy had huge numbers traveling to UNC and South Carolina. The regular season rules college football.

Furthermore, only a fool believes more than about 10 teams every season play for the FBS title. Tech, UVA, UNC, and over 100 other FBS teams play to be in and win a New Year's day game which is no different than what our
team should aspire to achieve. However, it's the AD's job to position his team's ability to not only win but create entertainment for the alumni.

Perfectly said. This is the point I have been trying to make forever. It isn't the few postseason games against juggernauts like Monmouth that are what matter. It is the dozen regular season games.

The notion that FBS is worthless if we aren't an automatic CFP candidate is ridiculous. We have to pay our dues at every level.

Case in point: Utah. When Terrence Apted was a freshman there, the Utes were undefeated and ranked #3. They couldn't get any higher than that because they were in a G5 conference (Mountain West). They blew out Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl (35-7 if memory serves). They continued to dominate their conference and, what do you know, they were invited to BCS (Pac-12).

That's how it happens. Barring a miracle with a simultaneous aligning of the stars, we are not going straight to a P5 conference. We must pay our dues at the G5 level. Every day we screw around monitoring the situation in FCS is another day removed from those opportunities.

I don't think Utah is good example given what they brought to the table went well beyond football. Utah is a flagship state university located in a large metro area; that happens to be the state's capital. It's a school with tremendous resources (current endowment over 1 billion dollars).

While their 2003 football season really started to turn heads and got Urban Meyer tons of pub, Utah athletics were on the map nationally years (decades) before thanks to a highly respected basketball program. Five years prior to the Utes Fiesta Bowl win, Rick Majerus led their hoops team to the national title game where they lost a close battle to Kentucky. The Runnin' Utes had the unfortunate luck of running into UK in the tourney far too often. Their hoops program has 4 Final Fours, 27 Tourney Appearances, 16 Sweet 16 appearances etc. Their arena hosted the memorable Bird-Magic 1979 Title game as well as numerous other tournament games.

The other big key to Utah's success is SLC hosting the 2002 Winter Olympics. The $$$$ from that allowed the university to update several of their athletic facilities including a basically all new football stadium that was used for the opening and closing ceremonies.

Sure, all of those things matter to some degree, but nothing matters more than winning.

My daughter's dorm was in the former Olympic Village. Very nice! It is also where the football team lived, which is how my daughter and Terrence Apted found one another. They moved off-campus the following year and the rest is history.

So, my point is that all of the other stuff is really nice, but it means squat to a team that wants to move up if they are 4-8 or even 6-6. Winning, and winning against quality teams, is what matters!

Agree that Utah has a pretty good resume to present at that time.

It all matters, not just winning. If your football program was all that matters, an ACC invite would be possible and an AAC invite would be a very, very realistic possibility. If you threw JMU or App in to the ACC right now they'd fare just as well in football as the other VA and NC schools. In reality though, an ACC invite is far from possible and it might be generous to say there's a 0.1% chance of an AAC invite.

If P5 is ever in the future it's a very, very long way off and there are a lot of non-football things that would need to come along before it becomes anywhere close to possible. Right now though, I'd say JMU has outgrown the FCS and in the FCS there's nowhere to go but down for JMU and NDSU.

New basketball JMUisms.
-The Keener round is now The Bourne round
-Losing a 10 point lead in under 3 minutes is being Kinged
-Losing to sub 300 rpi caa teams is being R(h)osed

(01-18-2020 10:57 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  New basketball JMUisms.
-The Keener round is now The Bourne round
-Losing a 10 point lead in under 3 minutes is being Kinged
-Losing to sub 300 rpi caa teams is being R(h)osed

Bwahaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Love that. Getting Kinged and Rosed. The frustrating story of JMU athletics.

(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

There is a lot of discussion about basketball in another thread. Fot those of us that would like to see jmu in a different athletic conference, how much will how the admin handles basketball tell us about the admin's true intentions about conference as the media deals expire in 23?

(01-17-2020 05:00 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:03 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 03:12 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:19 AM)iStoopify Wrote:  if you all truly feel that Morgan State, Elon, Chattanooga, Richmond, RI, and Weber State are your peers on the football field - who am I to judge? But they are certainly not App's peers.

Also, FBS is better than FCS in countless ways. If you don't think the #19 next to our name all day long on the ESPN ticker all day long is more valuable than second place in what is largely seen as D2, well, you can't fix stupid.

Welcome to the shenandoah valley. The lil'ol jmu fcs for life crowd will always find a way to claim dll is where JMU belongs

Purplehazed get's it. The biggest difference between FCS and FBS is the regular football season. Just looking at JMU schedule for 2020 I would today predict JMU to finish the regular season next year with a record of 10-1. I would also predict the same record for over half of the members of the Sun Belt it they were playing the same schedule next year. If JMU was playing Georgia Southern schedule next year I would project JMU at 4-8 at best and also would not be surprised if finish 1-11.

What?!? JMU takes some serious hits due to graduation but looking at Georgia Southern's schedule I think a 7-5 maybe 8-4 would be realistic if JMU is able to maintain its status as NDSU's #1 contender. Boise State, Ole Miss (Kiffin) and App State would be the only games I would have the Dukes as a prohibitive underdog. With that said, I think NDSU has a "legit shot" against Oregon next year so I have to think JMU could make a run at winning one of those games.

I think it's possible for JMU to finish 6-6/7-5 in the AAC next year with a balanced (right mix of good, middling, bad) conference schedule. I absolutely think they could have won 8/9 games this year in the AAC with good luck in the health department. There's no doubt in my mind NDSU and JMU were among the top 40 maybe top 25 teams (NDSU) in all of D1 this season.

where did this poster come from? so much truthing.....

(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Boy Nation - your rumor mill post was off a bit, but this sucker when through a new marriage and is still going/growing.

I'll bet by 2040 we switch conferences and eventually follow W&M and RU to FBS.

(01-20-2020 06:17 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Boy Nation - your rumor mill post was off a bit, but this sucker when through a new marriage and is still going/growing.

I'll bet by 2040 we switch conferences and eventually follow Washington & Lee and Hampton Sidney to FBS.

(01-20-2020 06:35 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 06:17 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Boy Nation - your rumor mill post was off a bit, but this sucker when through a new marriage and is still going/growing.

I'll bet by 2040 we switch conferences and eventually follow Washington & Lee and Hampton Sidney to FBS.

walk down memory lane and we were told how western Kentucky would "grow" into FBS.

2019 - wow, western kentucky goes 9-4, beats Arkansas, draws 7k to their final home game and plays Western Mich in bowl game in front of 13k in dallas. crowds, of 13k, 14k all year. yikes. well i guess they have "big boy pants" at the watercooler.

how long do these g5s take the pain? you have to figure something has to change for this to make sense. it is upper end FCS with FBS expenses and no playoffs. yah, maybe every couple of years we get an exciting fbs game.

Where is my temple homie?

All I know is that Purple guy is one sharp dude!

(01-20-2020 06:17 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Boy Nation - your rumor mill post was off a bit, but this sucker when through a new marriage and is still going/growing.

I'll bet by 2040 we switch conferences and eventually follow W&M and RU to FBS.

My post wasn’t off but the rumors sure were. That is why I titled the thread “rumors” instead of “facts”.

(01-20-2020 08:43 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 06:17 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:27 PM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I love this thread, which was started on 11-29-2012 at 11:44 AM.

False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Boy Nation - your rumor mill post was off a bit, but this sucker when through a new marriage and is still going/growing.

I'll bet by 2040 we switch conferences and eventually follow W&M and RU to FBS.

My post wasn’t off but the rumors sure were. That is why I titled the thread “rumors” instead of “facts”.

You are the author of the of the longest thread in zone history. Nothing even close.

(01-20-2020 07:49 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 06:35 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 06:17 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:31 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  False.
Feb 13, 2011
http://www.caazone.com/boards/threads/ne...or.103927/

Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Boy Nation - your rumor mill post was off a bit, but this sucker when through a new marriage and is still going/growing.

I'll bet by 2040 we switch conferences and eventually follow Washington & Lee and Hampton Sidney to FBS.

walk down memory lane and we were told how western Kentucky would "grow" into FBS.

2019 - wow, western kentucky goes 9-4, beats Arkansas, draws 7k to their final home game and plays Western Mich in bowl game in front of 13k in dallas. crowds, of 13k, 14k all year. yikes. well i guess they have "big boy pants" at the watercooler.

how long do these g5s take the pain? you have to figure something has to change for this to make sense. it is upper end FCS with FBS expenses and no playoffs. yah, maybe every couple of years we get an exciting fbs game.

Where is my temple homie?

Still hooked on games which often have less than 4K and rarely as many as 19K sitting in the stands. (Holy Cross traveled to Monmouth to play in front of 2800, and our championship game was played in front of 17,800). I can certainly understand why the FCS for life crowd places so much emphasis on the post season, people beat the gates open to get into these games.

(01-20-2020 09:18 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 07:49 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 06:35 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 06:17 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-20-2020 12:31 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Thanks Deez for digging up my original post. It was fun reading it 8 years later. It has been so long, I am not even sure of the sources for the information I posted. Schools did go FBS since then but not in the conferences originally thought.

Never in my wildest dreams did I believe we would still be debating FBS this many years later. Always fun to travel back in time though.

Boy Nation - your rumor mill post was off a bit, but this sucker when through a new marriage and is still going/growing.

I'll bet by 2040 we switch conferences and eventually follow Washington & Lee and Hampton Sidney to FBS.

walk down memory lane and we were told how western Kentucky would "grow" into FBS.

2019 - wow, western kentucky goes 9-4, beats Arkansas, draws 7k to their final home game and plays Western Mich in bowl game in front of 13k in dallas. crowds, of 13k, 14k all year. yikes. well i guess they have "big boy pants" at the watercooler.

how long do these g5s take the pain? you have to figure something has to change for this to make sense. it is upper end FCS with FBS expenses and no playoffs. yah, maybe every couple of years we get an exciting fbs game.

Where is my temple homie?

Still hooked on games which often have less than 4K and rarely as many as 19K sitting in the stands. (Holy Cross traveled to Monmouth to play in front of 2800, and our championship game was played in front of 17,800). I can certainly understand why the FCS for life crowd places so much emphasis on the post season, people beat the gates open to get into these games.

Exactly! When the national championship between the subdivision's two biggest draws has less than 18K show up, that makes for a hard argument for the FCS for life gang.