(01-14-2020 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  Massey composite conference rankings (55 ratings in):
1. SEC 43.03
2. B12 46.53
3. B10 48.92
4. P12 49.76
5. AAC 60.25
6. ACC 60.39
7. MWC 74.59
8. SBC 82.57
9. Ind 84.90
10.CUSA 90.55
11.MAC 91.59

And that was WITH the UConn anchor tied to the AAC's neck...

USFFan

7 of the last 9 Top 25 sport are G-5 teams. Should have a relegation system (Premier League Soccer). It is sad that 28% of the Final Top 25 poll is by G-5 teams that are operating at a financial disadvantage relative to under performing P-5 schools that are just cashing checks.

(01-14-2020 03:30 PM)TyBull Wrote:  7 of the last 9 Top 25 sport are G-5 teams. Should have a relegation system (Premier League Soccer). It is sad that 28% of the Final Top 25 poll is by G-5 teams that are operating at a financial disadvantage relative to under performing P-5 schools that are just cashing checks.

That would only work if all teams were playing comparable schedules

(01-14-2020 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  Massey composite conference rankings (55 ratings in):
1. SEC 43.03
2. B12 46.53
3. B10 48.92
4. P12 49.76
5. AAC 60.25
6. ACC 60.39
7. MWC 74.59
8. SBC 82.57
9. Ind 84.90
10.CUSA 90.55
11.MAC 91.59

The top 15 schools are grabbing the best talent. Below that everyone else is leveling out.

This is one reason more consolidation is coming at the top, not drastic, and not large, but more consolidation.

What it reflects is the slow decline of talent in volume coming out of the high schools across most of the nation. The South and Southwest are still strong and that's why so many of the National Champions over the last 20 years have come from those regions.

When the talent is equal the coaching makes the difference. Among the top 15 programs coaching is the consistent difference. Among everyone else coaching is also the consistent difference.

I think this will be the norm for quite some time. The top used to be about 32 schools who could move up and make a run. It's much smaller now.

19. Appalachian State

22. Air Force
23. Boise State

LOOKS VERY "POACHABLE" TO ME!

(01-14-2020 03:55 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 03:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  Massey composite conference rankings (55 ratings in):
1. SEC 43.03
2. B12 46.53
3. B10 48.92
4. P12 49.76
5. AAC 60.25
6. ACC 60.39
7. MWC 74.59
8. SBC 82.57
9. Ind 84.90
10.CUSA 90.55
11.MAC 91.59

The top 15 schools are grabbing the best talent. Below that everyone else is leveling out.

This is one reason more consolidation is coming at the top, not drastic, and not large, but more consolidation.

What it reflects is the slow decline of talent in volume coming out of the high schools across most of the nation. The South and Southwest are still strong and that's why so many of the National Champions over the last 20 years have come from those regions.

When the talent is equal the coaching makes the difference. Among the top 15 programs coaching is the consistent difference. Among everyone else coaching is also the consistent difference.

I think this will be the norm for quite some time. The top used to be about 32 schools who could move up and make a run. It's much smaller now.

BCS and CFP title games:
Alabama 7
FSU 4
Clemson 4
LSU 4
Oklahoma 4
Texas 2
Florida 2
Auburn 2
Miami (FL) 2
Georgia 1
Tennessee 1
Virginia Tech 1

That's 34 from 12 schools in the south

Others:
Ohio St. 4
USC 2
Oregon 2
Notre Dame 1
Nebraska 1

10 from 5 schools outside the south. Its 16 of the "20" regulars at the top + Virginia Tech. Penn St., Michigan, Washington and Colorado (all of whom were stronger in the 90s before the BCS) have not made it.

AAC a smidge ahead of the ACC with 67 MC entries.

Gonna be close, LOL.

(01-14-2020 10:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think for a good G5 it helps to be in G5 to finish ranked.as you can rack up 9 or more wins easier.

I doubt most of those 7 finish ranked if they played in P5 conferences. Navy probably goes 6-6 in the SEC or B1G. Most others as well.

As would Clemson.

(01-14-2020 03:53 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 03:30 PM)TyBull Wrote:  7 of the last 9 Top 25 sport are G-5 teams. Should have a relegation system (Premier League Soccer). It is sad that 28% of the Final Top 25 poll is by G-5 teams that are operating at a financial disadvantage relative to under performing P-5 schools that are just cashing checks.

That would only work if all teams were playing comparable schedules

Yeah, The ACC teams in bowls or playoffs should have been rated much lower..

The crazy part about this is that next year when the preseason polls come out there will be only,,, maybe one AAC team ranked at about 21st as if this season never happened even though all four of our ranked teams are young and bringing back most of their starters. Boise will be ranked no matter what,,,,because heck they're Boise and the AAC are equal,,,,,right? The top 40 will choked full of any and every p5 they can think of for literally no logical reason.

CBS has 3 AAC and Boise

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...20-season/

McMurphy is as you predicted - only UCF (19) and a bunch of teams with 6-7, 8-5 records

https://watchstadium.com/brett-mcmurphys...1-13-2020/

247 has 2 AAC and Boise, Led by Cinci at #20

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/co...141876264/

Bleacher Report has Boise #17) and Cincy, UCF and Memphis receiving votes

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2871...-25#slide0

(01-14-2020 10:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think for a good G5 it helps to be in G5 to finish ranked.as you can rack up 9 or more wins easier.

I doubt most of those 7 finish ranked if they played in P5 conferences. Navy probably goes 6-6 in the SEC or B1G. Most others as well.

On the other hand, you have to take into account the income disparity under which all G5 teams operate. Imagine how good some of them could be if they didn't have to compete year after year with one hand tied behind their backs.

(01-14-2020 07:58 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  CBS has 3 AAC and Boise

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...20-season/

McMurphy is as you predicted - only UCF (19) and a bunch of teams with 6-7, 8-5 records

https://watchstadium.com/brett-mcmurphys...1-13-2020/

247 has 2 AAC and Boise, Led by Cinci at #20

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/co...141876264/

Bleacher Report has Boise #17) and Cincy, UCF and Memphis receiving votes

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2871...-25#slide0

Same stuff different year LOLOL. It's a shame when the "fix" is so predictable.

(01-15-2020 12:23 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 10:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think for a good G5 it helps to be in G5 to finish ranked.as you can rack up 9 or more wins easier.

I doubt most of those 7 finish ranked if they played in P5 conferences. Navy probably goes 6-6 in the SEC or B1G. Most others as well.

On the other hand, you have to take into account the income disparity under which all G5 teams operate. Imagine how good some of them could be if they didn't have to compete year after year with one hand tied behind their backs.

Income disparity matters for sure, but it's probably not the main thing. Branding matters. No Louisiana kid ever dreamed as an 8 year old of playing for Louisiana-Monroe, plenty dream of playing for LSU. It's that way in most states.

That's why we see huge disparities in outcomes even within the P5. A school like Washington State can have big shiny facilities, but it's still going to be harder to convince a top recruit to go there instead of USC. USC has the brand image, the legacy, the status. It's like a kid with a 170 IQ who has a choice between USF and Harvard. USF may throw a ton of scholarship money at him, but Harvard is Harvard.

Of course things like branding, money, and fan and corporate support are all related in feedback loops. They all reinforce each other. I'm just saying money alone is unlikely to solve the problem.

(01-14-2020 10:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think for a good G5 it helps to be in G5 to finish ranked.as you can rack up 9 or more wins easier.

I doubt most of those 7 finish ranked if they played in P5 conferences. Navy probably goes 6-6 in the SEC or B1G. Most others as well.

I'm old school, mainly because I am actually old. I would really prefer to see a ranking that only allowed voters to rank the Top 15 teams, not 25. Once you get past #15 there's too much of a tendency IMO to vote for "deserving" teams, based purely on their W-L record, instead of "best" teams who you would pick as favorites based on their demonstrated strength and performance against challenging competition.

(01-15-2020 10:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 10:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think for a good G5 it helps to be in G5 to finish ranked.as you can rack up 9 or more wins easier.

I doubt most of those 7 finish ranked if they played in P5 conferences. Navy probably goes 6-6 in the SEC or B1G. Most others as well.

I'm old school, mainly because I am actually old. I would really prefer to see a ranking that only allowed voters to rank the Top 15 teams, not 25. Once you get past #15 there's too much of a tendency IMO to vote for "deserving" teams, based purely on their W-L record, instead of "best" teams who you would pick as favorites based on their demonstrated strength and performance against challenging competition.

I agree. I personally prefer the old Top 20 system. There was no reason, other than marketing of the polls, to expand it top 25.

And there will be 1 in the preseason poll next fall. Probably Boise State. And 3-6 will be in the final polls. And then the following fall there will be 1 in the preseason poll. Probably Boise. Wash, rinse, repeat.

(01-15-2020 11:57 AM)Chappy Wrote:  And there will be 1 in the preseason poll next fall. Probably Boise State. And 3-6 will be in the final polls. And then the following fall there will be 1 in the preseason poll. Probably Boise. Wash, rinse, repeat.

That's because the final polls are biased at the back end in favor of G5 teams that won 9, 10 or 11 games vs other G5.

If it comes down to an 11-2 Cincy vs an 8-5 Texas AM they will put Cincy in at #23.

(01-15-2020 10:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 10:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think for a good G5 it helps to be in G5 to finish ranked.as you can rack up 9 or more wins easier.

I doubt most of those 7 finish ranked if they played in P5 conferences. Navy probably goes 6-6 in the SEC or B1G. Most others as well.

I'm old school, mainly because I am actually old. I would really prefer to see a ranking that only allowed voters to rank the Top 15 teams, not 25. Once you get past #15 there's too much of a tendency IMO to vote for "deserving" teams, based purely on their W-L record, instead of "best" teams who you would pick as favorites based on their demonstrated strength and performance against challenging competition.

How do you determine who is "deserving" vs. who is the "best"? How do you know an 8-5 P5 school is better than a 10-3 G5 school, particularly one that has beaten a couple P5 schools?

What you are really saying is that the schools that have the right name and are in the right conference should be the only ones that get ranked.

I wanna see a g5 top 25 poll