During the Iran-Iraq war the Iranians sent unarmed children in mass waves across the desert into Iraqis machine gun fire for the simple purpose of causing the Iraqis soldiers to expend ammunition. I’m not sure we could wage war against that kind of radicalism in today’s PC culture. This ‘war’ needs to be waged just as Trump is doing it now. Get the bulk of our soldiers and equipment out of there and kill them remotely when the opportunities arise.

(01-04-2020 03:33 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  During the Iran-Iraq war the Iranians sent unarmed children in mass waves across the desert into Iraqis machine gun fire for the simple purpose of causing the Iraqis soldiers to expend ammunition. I’m not sure we could wage war against that kind of radicalism in today’s PC culture. This ‘war’ needs to be waged just as Trump is doing it now. Get the bulk of our soldiers and equipment out of there and kill them remotely when the opportunities arise.

Yep.

Time and effort spent occupying territory and "winning their hearts and minds" are wasted, and any lives and limbs lost in those efforts are in vain.

(01-04-2020 03:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 11:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 11:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Westmoreland screwed up Vietnam by trying to fight a conventional war--engage across a front, capture and occupy territory, focus on body count. That's not how asymmetric wars work. And it's nuts to try to win their hearts and minds--they're not going to like us, no matter how many schools and hospitals we build. The radicals who populate the terrorist groups believe that if Allah wanted them to have schools and hospitals, he wouldn't have sent infidels to build them.

What we need to do is cut off the head of the snake. Our first priority in Afghanistan should have been to kill Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar and their top officers, and then GTFO and stay TFO. But we're still there trying to occupy territory and win hearts and minds. If this signals a change in strategy, then it is about time.

I think its pretty clear Westmoreland quickly knew he couldn't win. He could just create a bloody stalemate, because LBJ gave the enemy sanctuary in North Vietnam (and Cambodia and Laos also).

We went after their forces in Laos and Cambodia, just not with regular military. It was a covert part of the war, and one my father helped to direct.

It wasn't until Nixon came in that it was a full scale effort.

The CIA was in there from the beginning. Most were gathering intel and the covert war did get started a bit later, but by 68-69 it was going strong.

(01-04-2020 03:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 03:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 11:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 11:25 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Westmoreland screwed up Vietnam by trying to fight a conventional war--engage across a front, capture and occupy territory, focus on body count. That's not how asymmetric wars work. And it's nuts to try to win their hearts and minds--they're not going to like us, no matter how many schools and hospitals we build. The radicals who populate the terrorist groups believe that if Allah wanted them to have schools and hospitals, he wouldn't have sent infidels to build them.
What we need to do is cut off the head of the snake. Our first priority in Afghanistan should have been to kill Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar and their top officers, and then GTFO and stay TFO. But we're still there trying to occupy territory and win hearts and minds. If this signals a change in strategy, then it is about time.

I think its pretty clear Westmoreland quickly knew he couldn't win. He could just create a bloody stalemate, because LBJ gave the enemy sanctuary in North Vietnam (and Cambodia and Laos also).

We went after their forces in Laos and Cambodia, just not with regular military. It was a covert part of the war, and one my father helped to direct.

It wasn't until Nixon came in that it was a full scale effort.

The CIA was in there from the beginning. Most were gathering intel and the covert war did get started a bit later, but by 68-69 it was going strong.

I ran into guys in the O Club at Subic/Cubi in 1969, who couldn't talk about where they had been.

(01-04-2020 01:01 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 12:51 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  But watch out, DavidSt has included Cuba and Venezuela as part of the coalition of the damned. Guess it will be just like "Wolverines", with the invasion through Mexico.

It must already be underway. Could David be a foreign intelligence operative? Hmm...… What a magnificent cover he has!

Using the word intelligence in reference to DavidSt is strictly verboten

(01-03-2020 08:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 08:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Now Reuters reporting the 6 newly minted martyrs were Iraqi not Iranian, but were members of the Popular Mobilization Front another one of the terrorist militias run by our dearly departed Iranian General Nice Guy.

I've noticed Iraq doesn't seem to mind our actions too much.

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Why would they? He's a Terrorist who created and supplied Forces to act outside Iran for Iranian interests

Iran kidnapping Foreign Nationals and sending them to fight for Iranian interests: https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/01/29/iran...ight-syria

Info on him being a Terrorist: https://csnbbs.com/thread-891786.html

(01-04-2020 01:20 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:50 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:24 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 07:00 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Yeah right. We orchestrated the attack on our own embassy by asking this terrorist to carry it out and then blew him back to hell just to wag the dog. SMH....

Lmao wag the dog is ******* right. If this were a dem president you would be ok? Please be honest...haha

I would not be upset if a Dem president killed a terrorist who masterminded an attack on an American embassy among other atrocities especially if, as was the case here, the terrorist was in violation of his UN travel ban and in a country where the government asked us to assist due to that terrorist's actions

Lmao you said the same when OBL was killed?

Are you saying I criticized the killing of Bin Laden

It was a simple question, not surprising I get a question rather than an answer

(01-04-2020 04:26 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 01:20 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:50 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:24 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Lmao wag the dog is ******* right. If this were a dem president you would be ok? Please be honest...haha

I would not be upset if a Dem president killed a terrorist who masterminded an attack on an American embassy among other atrocities especially if, as was the case here, the terrorist was in violation of his UN travel ban and in a country where the government asked us to assist due to that terrorist's actions

Lmao you said the same when OBL was killed?

Are you saying I criticized the killing of Bin Laden

It was a simple question, not surprising I get a question rather than an answer

Remove the plank from your own eye.....

What proof does trump have that another attack was planned? What kind of attack was it? Was the proof similar to proof of WMDs? Sounds like bull**** to me. This situation is like the 100 times we've killed the leader of a terrorist group. They don't die, they multiply. Good luck with this war to nowhere. Might help get trump re-elected like he thinks it will.

(01-04-2020 04:34 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 04:26 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 01:20 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:50 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I would not be upset if a Dem president killed a terrorist who masterminded an attack on an American embassy among other atrocities especially if, as was the case here, the terrorist was in violation of his UN travel ban and in a country where the government asked us to assist due to that terrorist's actions

Lmao you said the same when OBL was killed?

Are you saying I criticized the killing of Bin Laden

It was a simple question, not surprising I get a question rather than an answer

Remove the plank from your own eye.....

Love Jesus, not a Christian...that doesn’t work on me...try again

And just like that Trump made Democrats defend Iranian terrorists.

When you think they go no lower, they find a way

(01-04-2020 07:19 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 04:34 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 04:26 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 01:20 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 07:50 AM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  Lmao you said the same when OBL was killed?

Are you saying I criticized the killing of Bin Laden

It was a simple question, not surprising I get a question rather than an answer

Remove the plank from your own eye.....

Love Jesus, not a Christian...that doesn’t work on me...try again

Just as I figured. Deflection without answers.

(01-04-2020 07:18 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  What proof does trump have that another attack was planned? What kind of attack was it? Was the proof similar to proof of WMDs? Sounds like bull**** to me. This situation is like the 100 times we've killed the leader of a terrorist group. They don't die, they multiply. Good luck with this war to nowhere. Might help get trump re-elected like he thinks it will.

This is what TDS looks like. You know more than Trump.
It wouldn’t matter what the next attack on freedom or neighboring countries was going to be. It was coming. But you say don’t fight back because they will multiply. How short sighted and frightened is that? No matter CB, Trump and the American military will keep you free while you gripe, beetch and complain. Ain’t America great!