(12-28-2019 12:54 AM)ah59396 Wrote: The AAC is a good conference and the Sunbelt would kill to be in their shoes. That’s pretty much the reality of the situation.
Bingo.
Correction: the American is perceived to be a superior conference. App would kill to be in a conference that had the perception of the American
Correction: The AAC would kill to have App in their conference.
I went to their forum today to congratulate the tiggers on a hard fought game. I got the pee6 thing thrown at me. They intend to go down on that sinking ship. The media didn't buy it. They called them what they are, G5, all game long. Now it's just starting to be embarrassing for them.
(12-28-2019 10:57 PM)sdcritter Wrote: I went to their forum today to congratulate the tiggers on a hard fought game. I got the pee6 thing thrown at me. They intend to go down on that sinking ship. The media didn't buy it. They called them what they are, G5, all game long. Now it's just starting to be embarrassing for them.
I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
(12-28-2019 10:57 PM)sdcritter Wrote: I went to their forum today to congratulate the tiggers on a hard fought game. I got the pee6 thing thrown at me. They intend to go down on that sinking ship. The media didn't buy it. They called them what they are, G5, all game long. Now it's just starting to be embarrassing for them.
I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
(12-28-2019 10:57 PM)sdcritter Wrote: I went to their forum today to congratulate the tiggers on a hard fought game. I got the pee6 thing thrown at me. They intend to go down on that sinking ship. The media didn't buy it. They called them what they are, G5, all game long. Now it's just starting to be embarrassing for them.
I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
Overrated.
How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
(12-28-2019 10:57 PM)sdcritter Wrote: I went to their forum today to congratulate the tiggers on a hard fought game. I got the pee6 thing thrown at me. They intend to go down on that sinking ship. The media didn't buy it. They called them what they are, G5, all game long. Now it's just starting to be embarrassing for them.
I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
Overrated.
How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
You keep being you, though, ericsaid.
35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are
(12-28-2019 10:57 PM)sdcritter Wrote: I went to their forum today to congratulate the tiggers on a hard fought game. I got the pee6 thing thrown at me. They intend to go down on that sinking ship. The media didn't buy it. They called them what they are, G5, all game long. Now it's just starting to be embarrassing for them.
I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
Overrated.
How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
You keep being you, though, ericsaid.
35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are
But no comment about how Navy WINS are better than anything in the SunBelt or other G4s? Check. You've acknowledged that I'm right.
(12-26-2019 02:00 PM)_x_ Wrote: Wait till 2026 to start using it then if you get in.
Till then you're just annoying all the 9 other conferences.
This!!! I'm fine with the AAC having their little marketing campaign, but "staking a claim" in this context doesn't mean squat until the NCAA changes the structure to include them in the "Power" group. It's a good conference, but there's not that much separation in football on a consistent basis, although I do think they are at the top of the G5 (for now). They do have good basketball programs in addition to football.
AAC fans need to realize that using the P6 narrative outside of their own space with other G5 programs is an arrogant move and nobody is obliged to kiss their G5 feet just because they want to "stake a claim."
It’s a little awkward that the P6 narrative is being pushed hard and then ESPN hits em with the G5 on any comment about any of their schools. Yiiiiikkkeeeesss. Any ways, App is the #1 P10 school, annnnd that’s my new narrative.
(12-30-2019 11:15 AM)runamuck Wrote: I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
Overrated.
How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
You keep being you, though, ericsaid.
35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are
But no comment about how Navy WINS are better than anything in the SunBelt or other G4s? Check. You've acknowledged that I'm right.
Lets see:
Out of Conference wins: Holy Cross, Air Force, Army
Air Force is a decent win but who did they beat out of conference? Colgate, Colorado, and Army.
Navy's best in conference win? SMU. The same SMU that was just smoked by FAU.
I'm not trying to disparage Navy. But if App State goes 10-2, with a loss to Memphis and a drubbing to Notre Dame, is App going to get up to 23 in the polls? Is App going to go up to 23 only 8 spots behind the team that absolutely demolished them?
This was a bone thrown to the AAC, plain and simple. You were manhandled by the 15th ranked team in the country the way that is usually reserved for Top 4 teams against bottom 50 teams.
App, for reference, has lost only once to a P5 by more than one score when that P5 didn't make the CFP since 2015; Clemson and UGA beat App by 31 and 21, respectively. The one team to beat by more than one score was Miami (Fl.) in 2016.
For Navy to lose by 32 and still get ranked is saying something.
(This post was last modified: 12-30-2019 02:06 PM by ericsaid.)
(12-30-2019 11:15 AM)runamuck Wrote: I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
Overrated.
How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
You keep being you, though, ericsaid.
35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are
But no comment about how Navy WINS are better than anything in the SunBelt or other G4s? Check. You've acknowledged that I'm right.
Get that g4 crap out of here stupid. Go back to your fantasy land and cuddle up with the other guys over there.
(12-30-2019 11:15 AM)runamuck Wrote: I appreciate the fact that posters support their conferences and especially the sun belt, but the fact is the AAC is a step up from the wac which is a step up from cusa which is a small step up from the belt. they spend more money, sell more tickets to mostly larger facilities and get more teams higher in the rankings and their programs have more name recognition. the good sign is that the sunbelt is improving in all those categories and may well pass up cusa before long.
If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
Overrated.
How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
You keep being you, though, ericsaid.
35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are
But no comment about how Navy WINS are better than anything in the SunBelt or other G4s? Check. You've acknowledged that I'm right.
App had more Top 40 wins according to ESPN's FPI than any other G3 teams.
(12-30-2019 11:31 AM)ericsaid Wrote: If teams in the Sun Belt were playing Ole Miss and Arkansas instead of Georgia and Alabama we would probably have teams in the rankings as well. They play no one out of conference and beat no one they play who is worth anything out of conference.
Navy was losing 35-3 to Notre Dame by half time and is somehow still ranked.
Cincinnati lost 41-0 to Ohio State and is somehow still ranked. I don't recall a top Sun Belt contender playing a CFP bound team and being shut out. Troy nearly upset Clemson one year. App lost to UGA 31-10 and Clemson 41-10.
Hell, ULM gave Memphis a run for their money until Memphis began hitting on big plays while ULM's offense couldn't keep up. That game was 39-33 with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter. App beat ULM 52-7 which included 52 unanswered points.
Overrated.
How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
You keep being you, though, ericsaid.
35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are
But no comment about how Navy WINS are better than anything in the SunBelt or other G4s? Check. You've acknowledged that I'm right.
App had more Top 40 wins according to ESPN's FPI than any other G3 teams.
Come at me bro.
Who?
Not Louisiana. They're #42.
Which means Memphis has just as many "FPI Top 40 wins" at two as App State.
Sidebar - if FPI has 4-8 South Carolina at #39, that kind of tells you what you should know about using it as an ordinal ranking.
However, if you like ESPN's FPI...then to judge resumes you should look at the FPI "Strength of Record." Navy is #21 in Strength of Record and App State is #18.
(Rankings I used were CFP where applicable, Massey Composite otherwise. The composite of 106 rankings means you're not subject to a single ranking being ridiculed, as is easy with any thing saying 4-8 South Carolina is #39 in the country.)
(This post was last modified: 12-30-2019 02:41 PM by slhNavy91.)
(12-30-2019 12:14 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: How Navy is ranked...
Win over 11-2 Air Force, better than any G4 ooc win. Better than any App State win period.
Win over 10-3 SMU - ranked 8 spots ahead of Louisiana going into bowls, so could remain a SECOND win better than anything App State has. Navy wins #3-10 are also better than App State's wins.
FBS rankings:
Navy offense points per game #11
Navy offense total yards per game #18
Navy offense rushing yards per game #1 obviously
Navy defense total yards per game #22
Navy defense total points per game #38
Navy's only losses are to the #15 and #17 teams. While #17 may drop after loss to #10, almost certainly stay top 25 and #15 should move up. Compare to a loss to #63 (and dropping after loss to #95 Liberty).
You keep being you, though, ericsaid.
35-3 at half? Sounds like a top 25 team to me. Navy better beat Kansas State before they argue about how great their losses are
But no comment about how Navy WINS are better than anything in the SunBelt or other G4s? Check. You've acknowledged that I'm right.
App had more Top 40 wins according to ESPN's FPI than any other G3 teams.
Come at me bro.
Who?
Not Louisiana. They're #42.
Which means Memphis has just as many "FPI Top 40 wins" at two as App State.
Sidebar - if FPI has 4-8 South Carolina at #39, that kind of tells you what you should know about using it as an ordinal ranking.
However, if you like ESPN's FPI...then to judge resumes you should look at the FPI "Strength of Record." Navy is #21 in Strength of Record and App State is #18.
(Rankings I used were CFP where applicable, Massey Composite otherwise. The composite of 106 rankings means you're not subject to a single ranking being ridiculed, as is easy with any thing saying 4-8 South Carolina is #39 in the country.)
Don't bring that G4 crap in here. That makes you guys sound like damn fools when you say it. P6 is a lie - not real. Saying something that isn't true doesn't make it true. I am surprised I have to say this. There is a good shot that a non AAC team is ranked the highest in the G5 at year end.
The AAC better hope that other G5 conferences don't start going to the NY6 bowl. Because that would really throw a wrench in the whole perception vs reality AAC dream.
By they way...the NCAA - and exiting P5 conferences - won't just take the 'best' G5 and then make them a power conference. Why would they? Any reason at all? Also, someone has to be the top G5 - doesn't mean they automatically get moved up. Let's, for argument sake, say the AAC goes up. Then the next highest G4 (sounds dumb even typing that) conference in the rankings stays near the top for a couple of years. Do we then make them a power conference!? Then we have P7 and G3??? Nonsense!
(This post was last modified: 12-31-2019 03:34 AM by Goronic.)
(12-26-2019 02:00 PM)_x_ Wrote: Wait till 2026 to start using it then if you get in.
Till then you're just annoying all the 9 other conferences.
This!!! I'm fine with the AAC having their little marketing campaign, but "staking a claim" in this context doesn't mean squat until the NCAA changes the structure to include them in the "Power" group. It's a good conference, but there's not that much separation in football on a consistent basis, although I do think they are at the top of the G5 (for now). They do have good basketball programs in addition to football.
AAC fans need to realize that using the P6 narrative outside of their own space with other G5 programs is an arrogant move and nobody is obliged to kiss their G5 feet just because they want to "stake a claim."
