(12-29-2019 03:44 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  With regard to Temple, the picture may be a bit brighter than suggested above.

im not saying temple will be bad, im just saying from this year to next year temple might be worse...which could still be a good team

im just saying alani/rose are huge essential parts of your team.. with what is coming in, even with improvements i dont think it "replaces" those 2..
dont get me wrong i dont think those guys are irreplaceable or anything like that but no one temple is bringing in is touted..a touted recruit/transfer and id argue temple being better

(12-29-2019 02:07 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  UCF has 2 high 3 star freshman incoming, Jamille Reynolds and Isaiah Adams. Also what players are you implying are going to transfer? Only players not getting a lot of minutes are Tony Johnson (A freshman pg that will get minutes next year) and Moses Bol, who is apparently not ready for D1 hoops yet.

moses bol is already a junior, tony johnsons minutes being so little (only plays in blowout games), Ibrahim Doumbia, brandon mahan has got a ton of minutes the last 2 games but prior to that was coming off the bench for a unranked 3star freshmen (he started at a&m)

im not saying any will for sure transfer but there is a decent travel possibility for those 4

(12-29-2019 05:54 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:07 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  UCF has 2 high 3 star freshman incoming, Jamille Reynolds and Isaiah Adams. Also what players are you implying are going to transfer? Only players not getting a lot of minutes are Tony Johnson (A freshman pg that will get minutes next year) and Moses Bol, who is apparently not ready for D1 hoops yet.

moses bol is already a junior, tony johnsons minutes being so little (only plays in blowout games), Ibrahim Doumbia, brandon mahan has got a ton of minutes the last 2 games but prior to that was coming off the bench for a unranked 3star freshmen (he started at a&m)

im not saying any will for sure transfer but there is a decent travel possibility for those 4

Bol is redshirting, Tony Johnson will play more next year, Doumbia plays decent minutes, Mahan has started a decent amount of games. Obviously they could transfer but I don’t really see it happening.

(12-29-2019 05:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 04:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  It's amazing how much ECU discussion occurs in these threads for a perennial 250+ program.

Not as amazing as seeing Wichita State fans showing up in football threads.

Ooo you got me.

ECU has the same chance at winning a NC in that sport as WSU does.

And losing less money for it.

Oh and thanks for the rundown, P.

We are definitely a very young league, which is promising.

Coach P has spoken


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(12-29-2019 11:18 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 12:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  Notable incoming players : none that are on paper game changing , but a transfer and 2 freshmen

People will learn the name Quincy Ademokoya very quickly. There's a reason at least a half dozen P5 schools in the south wanted him to reclassify or sign late.

That may be true, but if they’re going to learn the name quickly they’ll need a mnemonic.

Try thinking
John Quincy Adams & Christian Okoye

=>

Quincy Adem+Okoya

See how the “a” and the “e” just swap places and you can not only remember his name, but spell it like a Champion.

Quincy Ademokoya

(12-29-2019 04:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  It's amazing how much ECU discussion occurs in these threads for a perennial 250+ program.

I'm amazed at how consistently pathetic East Carolina is. How do they do that?

(12-29-2019 11:05 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 09:54 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Just let him cook. He thinks he knows so much about ECU, but it is clear that he does not know what he is writing about. He actually wrote in one of his posts that all of the JUCOs that ECU brought in were failures. When it is clear just by watching ECU that two JUCOs (Robinson and Jackson) are easily among the best players on the team. If Robinson was fully healthy then he would be an all conference level player, but they still have him on minute restrictions and he will probably not be fully healthy until the Summer.

Two other JUCOs, Miles and Baruti have not turned out the way people expected, but Baruti had a really good game yesterday and hopefully he can carry that forward.

if you are going to quote me, quote me correctly...i said all the ecu jucos were flops in comparison to the expectation they had preseason...i 10000% stand by that

in that SAME POST i said tremont robinson will likley be decent when healthy but unlikely to meet the expectation he had preseason (which was potential all conference type player)..he will not be anywhere close..there are other all-conference players battling injury and performing

pig was on your team as you comfortably lost to to multiple 300 rpi team

last 2 points:
1) my takes on ecu this preseason were dramatically more accurate that of any ecu fan ..while almost every take by ecu fans were wrong

2) you are way too easily impressed. You have a 250-ish team and still hyping up multiple players. from your posts, including gardner and the freshman, you think ecu has 5/6 really good players. a team with 5/6 really good players isnt a 250-ish team..

ecu's on 4 game streak so you are hyped about ecu again.. ignoring they were all mid-major and half were horrible
just yesterday, you played a horrible 300 rpi team, you won, but in your enthusiasm no where mentioning you were down 7 at half and needed a comback vs a 300rpi team

i dont care about overhyped ecu expectations, its what yall do--- only responding because of the digs towards me

This. East Carolina's constant parade excuses got old 5 years ago.

(12-30-2019 10:15 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 11:05 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 09:54 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Just let him cook. He thinks he knows so much about ECU, but it is clear that he does not know what he is writing about. He actually wrote in one of his posts that all of the JUCOs that ECU brought in were failures. When it is clear just by watching ECU that two JUCOs (Robinson and Jackson) are easily among the best players on the team. If Robinson was fully healthy then he would be an all conference level player, but they still have him on minute restrictions and he will probably not be fully healthy until the Summer.

Two other JUCOs, Miles and Baruti have not turned out the way people expected, but Baruti had a really good game yesterday and hopefully he can carry that forward.

if you are going to quote me, quote me correctly...i said all the ecu jucos were flops in comparison to the expectation they had preseason...i 10000% stand by that

in that SAME POST i said tremont robinson will likley be decent when healthy but unlikely to meet the expectation he had preseason (which was potential all conference type player)..he will not be anywhere close..there are other all-conference players battling injury and performing

pig was on your team as you comfortably lost to to multiple 300 rpi team

last 2 points:
1) my takes on ecu this preseason were dramatically more accurate that of any ecu fan ..while almost every take by ecu fans were wrong

2) you are way too easily impressed. You have a 250-ish team and still hyping up multiple players. from your posts, including gardner and the freshman, you think ecu has 5/6 really good players. a team with 5/6 really good players isnt a 250-ish team..

ecu's on 4 game streak so you are hyped about ecu again.. ignoring they were all mid-major and half were horrible
just yesterday, you played a horrible 300 rpi team, you won, but in your enthusiasm no where mentioning you were down 7 at half and needed a comback vs a 300rpi team

i dont care about overhyped ecu expectations, its what yall do--- only responding because of the digs towards me

This. East Carolina's constant parade excuses got old 5 years ago.

6-7 vs the 341st (out of 353) ranked schedule ....

Only 1 Game vs a Top 100 KP opponent
Only 3 games vs a Top 200 Opponent!

(12-29-2019 04:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  It's amazing how much ECU discussion occurs in these threads for a perennial 250+ program.

Yeah well we don't want to be perennially 250+ any longer, so yeah, there's that....

I'd bet good money that Yetna has played his last game at USF...



USFFan

(12-29-2019 10:01 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 04:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  It's amazing how much ECU discussion occurs in these threads for a perennial 250+ program.

I'm amazed at how consistently pathetic East Carolina is. How do they do that?

Player turnover, poor coaching, TERRIBLE recruiting. (Historically)

We just typically don't have good players, and we also usually don't have a good coach.

Some of the players of note that have transferred from (or kicked off) ECU in recent years... (Note, I'm only listing ONE of the guys from last year's team.) There would have been roster overlap with a lot of them.

Elijah Hughes - Syracuse (Averaging almost 20ppg at 'Cuse)
Shawn Williams - New Mexico State (Former AAC Rookie of the year)
Brandan Stith - Old Dominion (Averaged almost a double/double at ODU)
Robert Sampson - Georgia Tech
Lance Tejada - Lehigh (Averaged 14ppg at Lehigh)
Jeremy Sheppard (Former AAC all-rookie team)
Greg Alexander - Mount Saint Mary's (11ppg for NCAA Tournament team)
Kentrell Barkley - NBA G-League

These are all GOOD players that were just *poof* gone...

Conceivably, we could have trotted this roster out last year... with Dooley at the helm, it could have been a much, much different outcome.

G - Jeremy Sheppard (2016-2017 AAC All-Rookie Team)
G - Shawn Williams (2017-2018 AAC Rookie of the Year)
G - Lance Tejada (Started at PG for Lehigh for 2 years, 14.5 ppg)
G - Greg Alexander (10 ppg for an NCAA Tournament team)
G - Isaac Fleming
F - Elijah Hughes (STAR for Syracuse. Will be in the NBA)
F - Kentrell Barkley (Averaged 13 pts and 7 rebs, playing pro now)
F - Jayden Gardner
F - Brandan Stith (Solid post player at ODU)
F - Seth LeDay

That is a good AAC roster. We just can't keep people here for whatever reason.

(12-29-2019 04:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  It's amazing how much ECU discussion occurs in these threads for a perennial 250+ program.

Every year is going to be their "breakthrough" year. We hear it every year from their fans. Every single year. The rest of the conference is still waiting.

(12-30-2019 02:28 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 04:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  It's amazing how much ECU discussion occurs in these threads for a perennial 250+ program.

Every year is going to be their "breakthrough" year. We hear it every year from their fans. Every single year. The rest of the conference is still waiting.

Yep, and since ECU sucks in both basketball and football the excuses are perennial and year-round.

(12-29-2019 09:23 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 11:18 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 12:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  Notable incoming players : none that are on paper game changing , but a transfer and 2 freshmen

People will learn the name Quincy Ademokoya very quickly. There's a reason at least a half dozen P5 schools in the south wanted him to reclassify or sign late.

That may be true, but if they’re going to learn the name quickly they’ll need a mnemonic.

Try thinking
John Quincy Adams & Christian Okoye

=>

Quincy Adem+Okoya

See how the “a” and the “e” just swap places and you can not only remember his name, but spell it like a Champion.

Quincy Ademokoya

Quincy Wadley
Quenton Decosey
Quinton Rose
Quincy Ademokoya

We have a pretty good history with guards/wings named Q

(12-29-2019 05:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:44 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  With regard to Temple, the picture may be a bit brighter than suggested above.

not saying temple will be bad, just saying from this year to next year temple might be worse...which could still be a good team

alani/rose are huge essential parts of your team..

with what is coming in, even with improvements dont think it "replaces" those 2..

dont think those guys are irreplaceable or anything like that but no one temple is bringing in is touted...

Agree that there is no single replacement for Rose, or A. Moore, but next season's back court may be as productive, and more-so in some respects, than it has been this season. A lot of Temple fans are expecting Temple to have a potential NCAA quality team next season.

The second line of Temple guards and wings has been improving rapidly this season, and will be joined in January by a G/W (Damian Dunn) who showed considerable promise during preseason scrimmages and could become a solid contributor by late-to-mid-season.

Although the 3 (1 RS sophomore transfer, 2 freshmen) incoming Guards and G/Wings aren't yet well-known, they're well-regarded 3 star quality players. One will help bolster the PG position and the other two will join a committee of players who will fill the gap left when Rose moves on.

You were definitely on target about QR and AM, particularly Rose, who has become a terrific defender this season and averages nearly 1 (.805) positive statistic per minute of play. However, a committee of eight (4 current, 1 soon to play, 1 incoming transfer, 2 incoming freshmen) guards & G/Wings may be able to fill the gaps left by Rose and Moore very capably.

Regarding A. Moore, he's playing the best ball of his career, but he doesn't hold a candle to Shizz Alston, who played the (PG) position last season, when it comes to scoring (10.5 ppg, vs. Alston's 19.7 ppg) and assists (2.9 apg, vs. Alston's 5.0 apg). He's a .400 FG3% shooter, but only averages ~ 0.6 positive stats per minute played. The play-making duties are distributed among three back court players, functioning as CGs or G/Ws, and one F.

With Dunn (CG; capable play-maker) and Strickland (former Wisconsin PG) joining the team, plus two developing current back-up combo guards with play-making skills (JPL, Scott), the PG/CG position is likely to be as productive next season as it has been this season, to date.

Overall, with NPL (Sr. CG), Perry (Sr. combo Wing/F), Scott (Jr. CG), JPL (Soph. CG), and Dunn (Soph. CG, soon to play) returning, and with Strickland (RS Soph. PG), Ademokoya (Fr. SG/Wing), and Jahlil White (Fr. SG/Wing) joining the team, Temple is likely to have a solid back court with a fair amount of depth next season.

(12-30-2019 04:50 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  particularly Rose, who has become a terrific defender this season

Hahahaha

(12-30-2019 04:50 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 05:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:44 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  With regard to Temple, the picture may be a bit brighter than suggested above.

not saying temple will be bad, just saying from this year to next year temple might be worse...which could still be a good team

alani/rose are huge essential parts of your team..

with what is coming in, even with improvements dont think it "replaces" those 2..

dont think those guys are irreplaceable or anything like that but no one temple is bringing in is touted...

Agree that there is no single replacement for Rose, or A. Moore, but next season's back court may be as productive, and more-so in some respects, than it has been this season. A lot of Temple fans are expecting Temple to have a potential NCAA quality team next season.

The second line of Temple guards and wings has been improving rapidly this season, and will be joined in January by a G/W (Damian Dunn) who showed considerable promise during preseason scrimmages and could become a solid contributor by late-to-mid-season.

Although the 3 (1 RS sophomore transfer, 2 freshmen) incoming Guards and G/Wings aren't yet well-known, they're well-regarded 3 star quality players. One will help bolster the PG position and the other two will join a committee of players who will fill the gap left when Rose moves on.

You were definitely on target about QR and AM, particularly Rose, who has become a terrific defender this season and averages nearly 1 (.805) positive statistic per minute of play. However, a committee of eight (4 current, 1 soon to play, 1 incoming transfer, 2 incoming freshmen) guards & G/Wings may be able to fill the gaps left by Rose and Moore very capably.

Regarding A. Moore, he's playing the best ball of his career, but he doesn't hold a candle to Shizz Alston, who played the (PG) position last season, when it comes to scoring (10.5 ppg, vs. Alston's 19.7 ppg) and assists (2.9 apg, vs. Alston's 5.0 apg). He's a .400 FG3% shooter, but only averages ~ 0.6 positive stats per minute played. The play-making duties are distributed among three back court players, functioning as CGs or G/Ws, and one F.

With Dunn (CG; capable play-maker) and Strickland (former Wisconsin PG) joining the team, plus two developing current back-up combo guards with play-making skills (JPL, Scott), the PG/CG position is likely to be as productive next season as it has been this season, to date.

Overall, with NPL (Sr. CG), Perry (Sr. combo Wing/F), Scott (Jr. CG), JPL (Soph. CG), and Dunn (Soph. CG, soon to play) returning, and with Strickland (RS Soph. PG), Ademokoya (Fr. SG/Wing), and Jahlil White (Fr. SG/Wing) joining the team, Temple is likely to have a solid back court with a fair amount of depth next season.

No one should make predictions about next yearns teams until conference play is well underway as some players will step up, others will fall back. Also final rosters won’t be known till next summer.

Agree that Temple has terrific freshman coming in, and Dunn who has not played is very good as well.

Disagree that Rose will be missed. Has already cost Temple three wins. His shooting percentage just horrible, and his improved play in other categories does not overcome that. He’s a hindrance to Temple scoring many points, and his assists, rebounding, and fewer turnovers this year don’t overcome his lack of offensive efficiency. His insistence on taking Temple’s most shots, which thankfully has declined somewhat in recent games, has allowed Temple to score more points.

Dre Perry is the best shooter in the conference. Much better player than Rose is, and he return next season.

Alani will be hugely missed. Temple has no one to replace him. Although not along as many shots as Alston did, he’s more efficient offensively than Alston was. As Alani’s Total Shooting Percentage is 58.8 percent as compared to Alston’s 55.8 percent.

Plus, Alani is shooting almost as many three’s as Alston, and shooting them at 40 percent, compared to Alston’s 33 percent.

Statistically, Alani was equal to Alston defensively last season, and this season, Temple’s opponents are shooting less on three pointers, and his defensive rating is outstanding. He also makes more steals, commits less turnovers, and fouls less, than Alston did.

Alani doesn’t make as many assists as Alston did, but that’s because the offense this year runs through Rose and Nate. Alani is also the team’s best perimeter shooter in the starting line-up, and as such, he can’t pass the ball to himself to register an assist. Temple is going to have a two or three times wider margin wider margin over it’s opponents this season in assists over last season. As such, no one should care who’s getting Temple’s assists.

And since Temple has scored more points in each of Temple’s last three games than they averaged last year, really doesn’t matter if he scores as many ppg as Alston did. And he may well score more points if Rose and Mate shoot less.