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(12-26-2019 06:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Buffalo could be a program that actually takes off. It would take some investment but may just be a good bet to make.

Most every G5 program can say the same thing. No need to gamble on who will pan out and who wont. Just be patient and wait and see who actually emerges as a program worth adding.
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(12-26-2019 05:36 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 05:07 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

The State University of New York at Buffalo* - - also known as the University of Buffalo (or "SUNY Buffalo") - - checks off items 1, 2, and 4 on this list.

...just sayin'...

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Their football stadium has a track. What is their athletic budget? What is their attendance? State of New York generally sucks for recruiting too. Not that high on Buffalo.

Found this:

2019 Enrollment: 31,546

M Basketball:

MAC Champion (2015, 2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018, 2019)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)
Ranked in Top 25 of AP and Coaches Poll in all of 2019

W Basketball:

MAC Champion (2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018)
Sweet Sixteen Appearance (2018)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)

Football:

MAC Runner Up (2018)
Conference Champion (2018)
Bowl Eligible (2009, 2013, 2018)


https://www.change.org/p/mark-alnutt-uni...conference


Also, this:


“Buffalo is a great school that’s achieved great things in football and basketball, and they’ve produced some great athletic directors in Warde Manuel, Danny White and Mark Alnutt,” Aresco told the News last week. “But the last thing I want to do is put a bullseye on Buffalo and upset (MAC commissioner) Jon Steinbrecher.”

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/08/ub-bu...news-2019/
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(12-26-2019 06:57 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 05:36 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 05:07 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

The State University of New York at Buffalo* - - also known as the University of Buffalo (or "SUNY Buffalo") - - checks off items 1, 2, and 4 on this list.

...just sayin'...

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Their football stadium has a track. What is their athletic budget? What is their attendance? State of New York generally sucks for recruiting too. Not that high on Buffalo.

Found this:

2019 Average Attendance: 31,546

M Basketball:

MAC Champion (2015, 2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018, 2019)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)
Ranked in Top 25 of AP and Coaches Poll in all of 2019

W Basketball:

MAC Champion (2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018)
Sweet Sixteen Appearance (2018)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)

Football:

MAC Runner Up (2018)
Conference Champion (2018)
Bowl Eligible (2009, 2013, 2018)


https://www.change.org/p/mark-alnutt-uni...conference


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“Buffalo is a great school that’s achieved great things in football and basketball, and they’ve produced some great athletic directors in Warde Manuel, Danny White and Mark Alnutt,” Aresco told the News last week. “But the last thing I want to do is put a bullseye on Buffalo and upset (MAC commissioner) Jon Steinbrecher.”

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/08/ub-bu...news-2019/

What!?!

Buffalo football's 2019 announced attendance was 16,417 per game.
Stadium capacity is 29,013

http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_cod...ivision=11
Misc Reports tab, and attendance.

2018 attendance was 18,380.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2018.pdf
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The best move I see is a football only addition and either VCU or St Louis for other sports.
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(12-26-2019 07:20 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The best move I see is a football only addition and either VCU or St Louis.

And thats only if the football addition is someone like Air Force or BYU. Otherwise, just add VCU and lets stand pat at 11 for football until we can add a football team that adds real value to the league. I mean--I'd actually be pretty fired up if we added VCU and just left it at that for now.
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(12-26-2019 06:57 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 05:36 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 05:07 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

The State University of New York at Buffalo* - - also known as the University of Buffalo (or "SUNY Buffalo") - - checks off items 1, 2, and 4 on this list.

...just sayin'...

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Their football stadium has a track. What is their athletic budget? What is their attendance? State of New York generally sucks for recruiting too. Not that high on Buffalo.

Found this:

2019 Average Attendance: 31,546

M Basketball:

MAC Champion (2015, 2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018, 2019)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)
Ranked in Top 25 of AP and Coaches Poll in all of 2019

W Basketball:

MAC Champion (2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018)
Sweet Sixteen Appearance (2018)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)

Football:

MAC Runner Up (2018)
Conference Champion (2018)
Bowl Eligible (2009, 2013, 2018)


https://www.change.org/p/mark-alnutt-uni...conference


Also, this:


“Buffalo is a great school that’s achieved great things in football and basketball, and they’ve produced some great athletic directors in Warde Manuel, Danny White and Mark Alnutt,” Aresco told the News last week. “But the last thing I want to do is put a bullseye on Buffalo and upset (MAC commissioner) Jon Steinbrecher.”

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/08/ub-bu...news-2019/


Could UB's future involve the American Athletic Conference?
https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/08/ub-bu...news-2019/
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(12-26-2019 07:24 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 06:57 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 05:36 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 05:07 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

The State University of New York at Buffalo* - - also known as the University of Buffalo (or "SUNY Buffalo") - - checks off items 1, 2, and 4 on this list.

...just sayin'...

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Their football stadium has a track. What is their athletic budget? What is their attendance? State of New York generally sucks for recruiting too. Not that high on Buffalo.

Found this:

2019 Average Attendance: 31,546

M Basketball:

MAC Champion (2015, 2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018, 2019)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)
Ranked in Top 25 of AP and Coaches Poll in all of 2019

W Basketball:

MAC Champion (2016, 2018, 2019)
Conference Champion (2018)
Sweet Sixteen Appearance (2018)
Round of 32 Appearance (2018, 2019)

Football:

MAC Runner Up (2018)
Conference Champion (2018)
Bowl Eligible (2009, 2013, 2018)


https://www.change.org/p/mark-alnutt-uni...conference


Also, this:


“Buffalo is a great school that’s achieved great things in football and basketball, and they’ve produced some great athletic directors in Warde Manuel, Danny White and Mark Alnutt,” Aresco told the News last week. “But the last thing I want to do is put a bullseye on Buffalo and upset (MAC commissioner) Jon Steinbrecher.”

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/08/ub-bu...news-2019/


Could UB's future involve the American Athletic Conference?
https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/08/ub-bu...news-2019/

Hard pass right now. Maybe in the future if they can make a NY6 run.
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(12-25-2019 12:06 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

Honestly, that's better than nearly all of the other options. Hawaii have warts, but I find them to be very palatable ones.

(12-26-2019 11:42 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 11:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 10:56 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(12-25-2019 12:06 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

Honestly, that's better than nearly all of the other options. Hawaii have warts, but I find them to be very palatable ones.

This will never happen. Hawaii has its own TV deal on the side and adds no value to the conference, along with the nightmare of travel.

That TV deal is less than an AAC FB share. Hawaii has a better FB brand than UConn, but we would need a BB add to balance it out.

Bows have that deal in place because the MW deal sucks for them. The American can make a good case to shake them loose.

The MWC has openly talked about dumping San Jose State and Hawaii. Also, we need a 12th member in football for the Conference Championship game. There is no need for a 12th member in basketball. We can do a 20 game conference schedule or continue to play the top teams against each other and the bottom against the bottom.
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We don't actually need a 12th football member for anything other than more $$$.
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(12-26-2019 07:07 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  2018 attendance was 18,380.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2018.pdf

Thanks for pointing this out.

Buffalo's enrollment (not their average attendance) is 31,546.
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(12-26-2019 07:51 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  We don't actually need a 12th football member for anything other than more $$$.

That seems to be a minority opinion around here, but there's a grain of truth in it.

The conference probably has enough "power" FB programs to maintain near parity with the P6, even if a less (or potentially) powerful 12th FB program (e.g., CSU) were to be added, mainly, to expand viewership into a new region.

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However, there would be other benefits to replacing UConn FB:

1) Adding a 12th FB program would be a way of insuring the long-term viability of the conference if the Big 12 raids the AAC in 2023-2026.

2) 10/11 team conferences are at a competitive disadvantage, given that 3 of the 5 P5 conferences have 14 member universities.

3) The NCAA probably won't extend the AAC's two-year CCG waiver.
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(12-26-2019 07:39 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 10:56 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(12-25-2019 12:06 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

Honestly, that's better than nearly all of the other options. Hawaii have warts, but I find them to be very palatable ones.

(12-26-2019 11:42 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 11:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 10:56 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(12-25-2019 12:06 AM)mustangxc Wrote:  Just add Hawaii and be done with it. It would be a state flagship replacing a departing state flagship. Hawaii has its Olympic sports already placed in a separate conference. Their extreme Tim zone provides lots of flexibility as they could start games at 11am local time for a 6pm est broadcast or 7pm local time for a 1am est broadcast. Being in the American would elevate their recruiting. Put them in the West and move Memphis to the East.

Honestly, that's better than nearly all of the other options. Hawaii have warts, but I find them to be very palatable ones.

This will never happen. Hawaii has its own TV deal on the side and adds no value to the conference, along with the nightmare of travel.

That TV deal is less than an AAC FB share. Hawaii has a better FB brand than UConn, but we would need a BB add to balance it out.

Bows have that deal in place because the MW deal sucks for them. The American can make a good case to shake them loose.

The MWC has openly talked about dumping San Jose State and Hawaii. Also, we need a 12th member in football for the Conference Championship game. There is no need for a 12th member in basketball. We can do a 20 game conference schedule or continue to play the top teams against each other and the bottom against the bottom.

For those interested in a MWC team, here is a story on Colorado State. No mention of the AAC. Talks about P5 aspirations.

CSU and P5 aspirations.


You do want a state flagship with P5 aspirations in the AAC but you can't UCONN it here.
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I think Hawai'i is more interesting than CSU. They have a funky identity that would add flavor to the league.
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(12-26-2019 08:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 07:51 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  We don't actually need a 12th football member for anything other than more $$$.

That seems to be a minority opinion around here, but there's a grain of truth in it.

The conference probably has enough "power" FB programs to maintain near parity with the P6, even if a less (or potentially) powerful 12th FB program (e.g., CSU) were to be added, mainly, to expand viewership into a new region.

.

However, there would be other benefits to replacing UConn FB:

1) Adding a 12th FB program would be a way of insuring the long-term viability of the conference if the Big 12 raids the AAC in 2023-2026.

2) 10/11 team conferences are at a competitive disadvantage, given that 3 of the 5 P5 conferences have 14 member universities.

3) The NCAA probably won't extend the AAC's two-year CCG waiver.

Think strategically.

The 2016 BigXII sham should tell everyone that 2026 will be restructure not realignment.

Does a football add make us look more like P5 conferences, or does it make us look more G4. If the former, then "yes"; if the latter then "no"
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Maybe, if we add LaTech, the AAC could get the Independence Bowl... [/sarcasm]
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(12-26-2019 08:52 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 07:51 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  We don't actually need a 12th football member for anything other than more $$$.

That seems to be a minority opinion around here, but there's a grain of truth in it.

The conference probably has enough "power" FB programs to maintain near parity with the P6, even if a less (or potentially) powerful 12th FB program (e.g., CSU) were to be added, mainly, to expand viewership into a new region.

.

However, there would be other benefits to replacing UConn FB:

1) Adding a 12th FB program would be a way of insuring the long-term viability of the conference if the Big 12 raids the AAC in 2023-2026.

2) 10/11 team conferences are at a competitive disadvantage, given that 3 of the 5 P5 conferences have 14 member universities.

3) The NCAA probably won't extend the AAC's two-year CCG waiver.

We don't need a 12th team to have a CCG or the exemption for that matter... That exception was just a way of Aresco saying that he was "cool", he wanted to eliminate conferences without playing round robin and just having the 2 highest ranked teams play in the CCG. Al of the other reasons you mentioned are valid.

To have a Conference Championship games you need a minimum of 10 teams and play Round-Robin (9 Conference games... or 10 teams (5 in each of 2 divisions, 8 conference games...

11 teams and play Round-Robin (10 Conference games... or 11 teams (5 in division and 6 in another divisions, 8 conference games for 9 teams and 7 conference games for 2 teams... this is an unbalanced schedule.
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Aresco got the waiver to avoid 'Unbalanced" schedule...
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(12-26-2019 07:39 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  There is no need for a 12th member in basketball. We can do a 20 game conference schedule or continue to play the top teams against each other and the bottom against the bottom.

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I guess you're not a huge AAC basketball fan. If you were, you would probably realize that basketball scheduling is not the issue.

The AAC needs to add a solid MBB and hopefully a decent WBB member to replace UConn, because the loss of UConn BB hurts the conference in two high profile sports (men's & women's basketball).

In fact, the AAC probably needs to replace UConn MBB/WBB as much as [b]or more than it needs to replace UConn FB[/b].

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All it takes is to consider two facts:

1) AAC FB attained near-parity with AAC & PAC FB this season in numerous metrics.

2) AAC MBB, in contrast, has gotten off to a slightly slower than expected start this season. Presently, AAC MBB is firmly ensconced in 7th place among the "Major 7" or "Power 7" MBB conferences. While the conference attained near-parity with the PAC and BE last season, OOC games have indicated that the conference is unlikely to demonstrate near-parity with any P5 conference this season.

In this context, as Shakespeare would put it:

"Exeunt (Exit) UConn."

Not only is the AAC a bit less competitive this BB season, to date, but when May rolls around, UConn BB will be gone. This matters a whole lot, because UConn BB is considered upper-tier and national "brand" in most circles, despite their recent & temporary fall from grace.

This season, UConn MBB appears to be roughly on par with some of the middle to upper tier AAC teams (e.g., Temple, UCF, Cincy) and may be able to split its series with Houston, perhaps Memphis or Wichita State.

Will AAC MBB & WBB be diminished after the departure of UConn? Most definitely.

Will this have adverse short and longer-term effects? Certainly and the effects may begin to be felt as early as the Spring 2020 recruiting period, unless and until a suitable replacement can be found.

In fact, the stature of the conference, in basketball, may have already begun to diminish slightly, at least in the eyes of high school players and future recruits.

For that reason, it would not be a surprise if an effort is made to sign a replacement for UConn for the 2020-21 season. Indeed, it would be disappointing if such an effort has not already been initiated at the talking stage.

Hopefully, Aresco's bluff and bravado won't turn out to be too cool for school, or as the Brits would say, "too cool by half." This would be the right time to turn on the charm. AAC Presidents, I hope you're listening...
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(12-26-2019 07:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-26-2019 07:20 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  The best move I see is a football only addition and either VCU or St Louis.

And thats only if the football addition is someone like Air Force or BYU. Otherwise, just add VCU and lets stand pat at 11 for football until we can add a football team that adds real value to the league. I mean--I'd actually be pretty fired up if we added VCU and just left it at that for now.

There is no need to do anything BB wise. 11 works just fine for con scheduling. Until you decide on a FB move you don't lock yourself in doing a BB one.
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