(12-24-2019 02:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 07:27 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 09:42 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 08:55 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I tend to agree on being proactive, but that will require ESPN being willing to put out 5 to 7+ mil per year for each school added depending on whether it is FB only or all sports, and those schools being willing to come. I have real doubts ESPN is interested in forking out the cash for the schools listed.

Especially when they were only willing to pay them less than $2 million today. $6 million vs $21 million if they come to the aac as a 3 team combo.

I think ESPN will only want 1 team. Too bad we can't dump a team to do a combo of Boise and one of these Air Force/Colorado State/SDSU

ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of thw Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

(12-26-2019 08:42 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 04:15 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:16 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  UConn left out of fear that its fan base wouldn't be able to find ESPN+

No. They left knowing they were in debt and depended on the alumni and fans to save them, and it was not football .

Wrong on both, they got sick and suffered from Forest Gump syndrome.
Stupid is as stupid does.

The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

There is a perception problem in the AAC, and the next add needs to help with that.

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

There is a perception problem in the AAC, and the next add needs to help with that.

So you are saying BUFFALO, Hawaii, UMass, BYU, Lbery, Army or Air force otherwise we need to tap the FCS lever for #1 state Flagships.

(12-26-2019 12:17 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

There is a perception problem in the AAC, and the next add needs to help with that.

So you are saying BUFFALO, Hawaii, UMass, BYU, Lbery, Army or Air force otherwise we need to tap the FCS lever for #1 state Flagships.

There is a case for most of the MW as well. Look at how other power conferences are built. There is an institutional element at play here.

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

There is a perception problem in the AAC, and the next add needs to help with that.

I want to see a large public University as the add. The problem with some in the AAC there is a growth ceiling.

(12-26-2019 12:38 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

There is a perception problem in the AAC, and the next add needs to help with that.

I want to see a large public University as the add. The problem with some in the AAC there is a growth ceiling.

Define growth. Fanbase size? Success? Budget?

(12-26-2019 12:49 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:38 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

There is a perception problem in the AAC, and the next add needs to help with that.

I want to see a large public University as the add. The problem with some in the AAC there is a growth ceiling.

Define growth. Fanbase size? Success? Budget?

Just from size of alumni base if winning has more potential for tv eyes and fans. Tulsa as an example has limited growth with a small alumni base. They have done well considering but they will never draw crowds and viewers.

(12-26-2019 11:55 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-24-2019 02:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 07:27 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 09:42 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Especially when they were only willing to pay them less than $2 million today. $6 million vs $21 million if they come to the aac as a 3 team combo.

I think ESPN will only want 1 team. Too bad we can't dump a team to do a combo of Boise and one of these Air Force/Colorado State/SDSU

ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of thw Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

I’m actually not making any argument at all. You made the assertion that ESPN would want those schools to pick up those market areas. I’m was simply pointing out a fact. ESPN already owns the rights to those schools and those market areas (to whatever degree the schools in question deliver those areas).

As for AAC schools being added to the Big12—.that will only happen for one of two reasons. The Big 12 will only add an AAC school if the new addition is valuable enough to increase the earnings of the existing Big12 teams—or if the Big12 needs to add schools in order to survive as a viable league (as replacements after being poached).

(12-26-2019 11:55 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-24-2019 02:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 07:27 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 09:42 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Especially when they were only willing to pay them less than $2 million today. $6 million vs $21 million if they come to the aac as a 3 team combo.

I think ESPN will only want 1 team. Too bad we can't dump a team to do a combo of Boise and one of these Air Force/Colorado State/SDSU

ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of thw Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

GA St would bring < 5% of the ATL market. They have 50K+ students & can't draw 20K to the games.

(12-26-2019 01:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 11:55 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-24-2019 02:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 07:27 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of thw Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

I’m actually not making any argument at all. You made the assertion that ESPN would want those schools to pick up those market areas. I’m was simply pointing out a fact. ESPN already owns the rights to those schools and those market areas (to whatever degree the schools in question deliver those areas).

As for AAC schools being added to the Big12—.that will only happen for one of two reasons. The Big 12 will only add an AAC school if the new addition is valuable enough to increase the earnings of the existing Big12 teams—or if the Big12 needs to add schools in order to survive as a viable league (as replacements after being poached).

I tend to think that the same thought process applies to the AAC, this conference is as good if not better than the BIG EAST was, the mind set that of what the conference was in 2016 no longer applies... Yes I know about the money factor.

Would all the members of this conference be willing to stand together if in 5 years we would gain AQ (P6) status, and get the money at some point after that?

I believe that if the AAC stays together and gains AQ (P6) Status we would be battling for 3rd or fourth best conference every year.

We are already 5th best this year without anyone actually giving the AAC any credit.

(12-26-2019 01:29 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 11:55 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-24-2019 02:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of thw Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

I’m actually not making any argument at all. You made the assertion that ESPN would want those schools to pick up those market areas. I’m was simply pointing out a fact. ESPN already owns the rights to those schools and those market areas (to whatever degree the schools in question deliver those areas).

As for AAC schools being added to the Big12—.that will only happen for one of two reasons. The Big 12 will only add an AAC school if the new addition is valuable enough to increase the earnings of the existing Big12 teams—or if the Big12 needs to add schools in order to survive as a viable league (as replacements after being poached).

I tend to think that the same thought process applies to the AAC, this conference is as good if not better than the BIG EAST was, the mind set that of what the conference was in 2016 no longer applies... Yes I know about the money factor.

Would all the members of this conference be willing to stand together if in 5 years we would gain AQ (P6) status, and get the money at some point after that?

I believe that if the AAC stays together and gains AQ (P6) Status we would be battling for 3rd or fourth best conference every year.

They of course would be willing to stand together if they get AQ (P6) status. Now here's the truth---they would essentially "stay together" anyway because they have nowhere better to go. The real question is---"If the AAC got P6 status, would AAC members still leave for any of the other current P5 conferences if they were invited? I suspect any AAC member would probably still leave the AAC for a P5 invite---mainly because revenue, stability, and geographic coherence would probably be better in most any P5 conference a AAC school might get invited to. That said---I'd be just fine staying in the AAC for the long term if the AAC had "AQ" (P6) status.

(12-26-2019 03:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:29 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 11:55 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-24-2019 02:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of thw Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

I’m actually not making any argument at all. You made the assertion that ESPN would want those schools to pick up those market areas. I’m was simply pointing out a fact. ESPN already owns the rights to those schools and those market areas (to whatever degree the schools in question deliver those areas).

As for AAC schools being added to the Big12—.that will only happen for one of two reasons. The Big 12 will only add an AAC school if the new addition is valuable enough to increase the earnings of the existing Big12 teams—or if the Big12 needs to add schools in order to survive as a viable league (as replacements after being poached).

I tend to think that the same thought process applies to the AAC, this conference is as good if not better than the BIG EAST was, the mind set that of what the conference was in 2016 no longer applies... Yes I know about the money factor.

Would all the members of this conference be willing to stand together if in 5 years we would gain AQ (P6) status, and get the money at some point after that?

I believe that if the AAC stays together and gains AQ (P6) Status we would be battling for 3rd or fourth best conference every year.

They of course would be willing to stand together if they get AQ (P6) status. Now here's the truth---they would essentially "stay together" anyway because they have nowhere better to go. The real question is---"If the AAC got P6 status, would AAC members still leave for any of the other current P5 conferences if they were invited? I suspect any AAC member would probably still leave the AAC for a P5 invite---mainly because revenue, stability, and geographic coherence would probably be better in most any P5 conference a AAC school might get invited to. That said---I'd be just fine staying in the AAC for the long term if the AAC had "AQ" (P6) status.

I 100% agree ,,,,,However there are a couple of teams that should be replaced to make our new permanent AQ home more palatable

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

The State University of New York at Buffalo* - - also known as the University of Buffalo (or "SUNY Buffalo") - - checks off items 1, 2, and 4 on this list.

...just sayin'...

===============

*Member, AAU

*D1 Research Institution

(12-26-2019 04:52 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 03:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:29 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:16 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 11:55 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of thw Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

I’m actually not making any argument at all. You made the assertion that ESPN would want those schools to pick up those market areas. I’m was simply pointing out a fact. ESPN already owns the rights to those schools and those market areas (to whatever degree the schools in question deliver those areas).

As for AAC schools being added to the Big12—.that will only happen for one of two reasons. The Big 12 will only add an AAC school if the new addition is valuable enough to increase the earnings of the existing Big12 teams—or if the Big12 needs to add schools in order to survive as a viable league (as replacements after being poached).

I tend to think that the same thought process applies to the AAC, this conference is as good if not better than the BIG EAST was, the mind set that of what the conference was in 2016 no longer applies... Yes I know about the money factor.

Would all the members of this conference be willing to stand together if in 5 years we would gain AQ (P6) status, and get the money at some point after that?

I believe that if the AAC stays together and gains AQ (P6) Status we would be battling for 3rd or fourth best conference every year.

They of course would be willing to stand together if they get AQ (P6) status. Now here's the truth---they would essentially "stay together" anyway because they have nowhere better to go. The real question is---"If the AAC got P6 status, would AAC members still leave for any of the other current P5 conferences if they were invited? I suspect any AAC member would probably still leave the AAC for a P5 invite---mainly because revenue, stability, and geographic coherence would probably be better in most any P5 conference a AAC school might get invited to. That said---I'd be just fine staying in the AAC for the long term if the AAC had "AQ" (P6) status.

I 100% agree ,,,,,However there are a couple of teams that should be replaced to make our new permanent AQ home more palatable

You missed your chance to cull further when we restocked the first time. Considering historical timelines, you'd have to go down the line:

1. Tulsa
2. ECU
3. Tulane
4. SMU/UH/the rest

Also, the MW pairing left when you lost the autobid. You can get to 14 easily if you win it back.

Also, who is going to take all of those conf losses?

(12-26-2019 05:07 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

The State University of New York at Buffalo* - - also known as the University of Buffalo (or "SUNY Buffalo") - - checks off items 1, 2, and 4 on this list.

...just sayin'...

===============

*Member, AAU

*D1 Research Institution

Their football stadium has a track. What is their athletic budget? What is their attendance? State of New York generally sucks for recruiting too. Not that high on Buffalo.

Buffalo could be a program that actually takes off. It would take some investment but may just be a good bet to make.

(12-26-2019 01:25 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 11:55 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-24-2019 02:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 11:14 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 07:27 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  ESPiN did not kill the ACC for not dropping poor football schools when adding OBE teams. If three MWC schools were to go to the AAC, ESPiN would pay the money required.

There you go, I'm willing to bet that, for example, if we added Georgia State or Buffalo to replace UConn they would get UConn's full share... The UConn value to ESPiN was WBB and contend for ESPN+, either of Georgia State or Buffalo would fell that need very nicely.

You do realize ESPN already has Georgia St and Buffalo content....every bit of it as a matter of fact. I think you should keep in mind that the AAC can actually end up being better without UConn than they were with UConn....IF they make the right addition/additions. Are Georgia St or Buffalo the schools that will make the AAC better----Or are they just warm body additions? I think you know the answer.

Using your logic the Big XII will never ad any teams from the AAC because ESPN already owns those contends... but I agree that we are better off without UConn.

ESPN would be paying the AAC based on a certain amount of inventory and a set a specific value for that inventory, UConn's value was primarily MBB & WBB and the potential number of subscribers to ESPN+.

Again my point is tat if we add someone like Georgia State with 10-15% of the Atlanta market or Buffalo with the entire Western New York, Northern PA, And Northeastern Ohio would make up for the loss of what UConn was offering Value wise to maintain the current contract for 13 members.

GA St would bring < 5% of the ATL market. They have 50K+ students & can't draw 20K to the games.

I'm sure it would be higher as a member of the AAC... Not saying that they will be a member of the AAC.

(12-26-2019 05:36 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 05:07 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:12 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The next add should be one of four things:

1. #1 flagship in state
2. #2 "State" university
3. Private institution
4. Major city university (namesake)

The State University of New York at Buffalo* - - also known as the University of Buffalo (or "SUNY Buffalo") - - checks off items 1, 2, and 4 on this list.

...just sayin'...

===============

*Member, AAU

*D1 Research Institution

Their football stadium has a track. What is their athletic budget? What is their attendance? State of New York generally sucks for recruiting too. Not that high on Buffalo.

Honestly, the only recruits from NY that Buffalo would want are STUDENT/Athlete. As a member of the AAC I doubt that they would have a hard time recruiting OH, PA, NJ, and any of the southern hotbeds for football...And do you really believe that the Northeast no longer produces standout Basketball players!

They can possibly check off all of the boxes for a new member... I personally prefer a large enrollment University from the largest Urban market not yet a part of the AAC or a BYU/Service Academies/VCU Combo.