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(12-23-2019 10:44 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

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(12-23-2019 09:37 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 08:04 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:47 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Brannen continues to show his recruiting chops. Second straight class where he has landed a legit 4 Star prospect. I know we are going through some growing pains currently, but we may be better for it in the long run if he can continue to land top recruits that fit his system.

Over the course of Cronin's tenure at UC he averaged one 4-star player per class and he landed a couple of 5-star players as well. I don't see Brannen's recruiting thus far as anything different than what we had for the past dozen years.

Hmmm Cronin 15ish classes (many in the greatest bball conference of all time) to Brannen's 2 classes ranked in order:

1) Lance Stephenson-Cronin, you could argue he wasn't worth the 1 year if you wanted to (Big East)
2) Jermaine Lawrence-Cronin, Dud, lasted 1 year (Recruited while we were in Big East)
3) Yancy Gates-Cronin (Big East)
4) Zach Harvey-Brannen
5) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
6) Anthony McClain-Cronin, Dud (Big East)
7) Cashmere Wright-Cronin (Big East)
8) Darnell Wilks-Cronin, Dudish (Big East)
9) Gary Clark-Cronin
10) Tari Eason-Brannen
11) Jermaine Sanders- Cronin, Dudish (Big East)

Lets break it down to top 5 guys for Cronin's classes in the American without the first year and Louisville (Jermaine Lawrence) and 2 classes of Brannen:

1) Zach Harvey-Brannen
2) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
3) Gary Clark- Cronin
4) Tari Eason-Brannen
5) Keith Williams-Cronin

Within 1 month of landing the job he landed the highest recruit we've had in since joining the American conference.

And considering MAW looks to be our best point guard since Cashmere Wright, I am very optimistic on his recruiting abilities. Saunders looks like a great grab as well. I am not sold on the Madsen brothers, but we will see.

Surely Jacob Evans has to be up there.

He would be next up after Keith Williams for guys we recruited in the American conference.

I also made a mistake. Alvin Mitchell, Dud (Big East) is ahead of Jermaine Sanders for Cronin recruits so he would be #11 in first list.

Maybe I’m misremembering but I though Evans was considered a consensus top 100 recruit.

^ Evans was #134 in his class.

(12-23-2019 06:53 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 12:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  So you embellished about Cronin saying 4 stars were never coming here. Cool.

He also stated in his initial UCLA interview that he "couldn't recruit to Cincinnati". Something that really endeared him to the fanbase here.

He's a 4-star...

Jerk.

He couldn’t recruit stacked classes with multiple 4 stars to UC.

Which is what wins championships

Jarron was top 50, Gary a 4 star, Jacob a 4 star, Yancy a 4 star, kw was a 4 star out of high school, Logan was a 4 star on some sites, Keith Williams was a 4 star.

Mick brought in one 4 star per season something Brannen is doing to.

John Brannen isn’t an elite recruiter. It’s great to get Eason. But we still struck out and missed on a ton of guys already.






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(12-23-2019 09:37 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 08:04 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:47 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Brannen continues to show his recruiting chops. Second straight class where he has landed a legit 4 Star prospect. I know we are going through some growing pains currently, but we may be better for it in the long run if he can continue to land top recruits that fit his system.

Over the course of Cronin's tenure at UC he averaged one 4-star player per class and he landed a couple of 5-star players as well. I don't see Brannen's recruiting thus far as anything different than what we had for the past dozen years.

Hmmm Cronin 15ish classes (many in the greatest bball conference of all time) to Brannen's 2 classes ranked in order:

1) Lance Stephenson-Cronin, you could argue he wasn't worth the 1 year if you wanted to (Big East)
2) Jermaine Lawrence-Cronin, Dud, lasted 1 year (Recruited while we were in Big East)
3) Yancy Gates-Cronin (Big East)
4) Zach Harvey-Brannen
5) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
6) Anthony McClain-Cronin, Dud (Big East)
7) Cashmere Wright-Cronin (Big East)
8) Darnell Wilks-Cronin, Dudish (Big East)
9) Gary Clark-Cronin
10) Tari Eason-Brannen
11) Jermaine Sanders- Cronin, Dudish (Big East)

Lets break it down to top 5 guys for Cronin's classes in the American without the first year and Louisville (Jermaine Lawrence) and 2 classes of Brannen:

1) Zach Harvey-Brannen
2) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
3) Gary Clark- Cronin
4) Tari Eason-Brannen
5) Keith Williams-Cronin

Within 1 month of landing the job he landed the highest recruit we've had in since joining the American conference.

And considering MAW looks to be our best point guard since Cashmere Wright, I am very optimistic on his recruiting abilities. Saunders looks like a great grab as well. I am not sold on the Madsen brothers, but we will see.

Let’s keep in the mind the very very unique situation Zach Harvey found himself in before committing to UC

It’s not like he stole him away from big name schools. Literally we had to release a press release from our AD the day we signed him because of his past. A ton of schools pulled his offer and even his prep school no longer wanted him to enroll


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Regardless.

I’m glad we got Eason. It’s a made a tough start to the year a little more bearable


But John Brannen better deliver goods. Because if fans are going to gloat about his recruiting being better then mick then he damn right better bring home an AAC championship and make noise in March

Bc if mick can’t recruit like some are saying then.... he must be a hell of a coach to win all those games with bum ass talent.

You can’t win 90 games in 3 years and be a bad coach and a bad recruiter


I expect to make the tourney this year... though it’s about a 5% chance at the most. And I absolutely expect to make it next season. If we miss 2 years in a row, I expect the seat to get warm.

And it has nothing to do with beers against John Brannen but rather the precedent that two prior coaches set as a minimum for success.




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(12-23-2019 02:20 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 09:37 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 08:04 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:47 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Brannen continues to show his recruiting chops. Second straight class where he has landed a legit 4 Star prospect. I know we are going through some growing pains currently, but we may be better for it in the long run if he can continue to land top recruits that fit his system.

Over the course of Cronin's tenure at UC he averaged one 4-star player per class and he landed a couple of 5-star players as well. I don't see Brannen's recruiting thus far as anything different than what we had for the past dozen years.

Hmmm Cronin 15ish classes (many in the greatest bball conference of all time) to Brannen's 2 classes ranked in order:

1) Lance Stephenson-Cronin, you could argue he wasn't worth the 1 year if you wanted to (Big East)
2) Jermaine Lawrence-Cronin, Dud, lasted 1 year (Recruited while we were in Big East)
3) Yancy Gates-Cronin (Big East)
4) Zach Harvey-Brannen
5) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
6) Anthony McClain-Cronin, Dud (Big East)
7) Cashmere Wright-Cronin (Big East)
8) Darnell Wilks-Cronin, Dudish (Big East)
9) Gary Clark-Cronin
10) Tari Eason-Brannen
11) Jermaine Sanders- Cronin, Dudish (Big East)

Lets break it down to top 5 guys for Cronin's classes in the American without the first year and Louisville (Jermaine Lawrence) and 2 classes of Brannen:

1) Zach Harvey-Brannen
2) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
3) Gary Clark- Cronin
4) Tari Eason-Brannen
5) Keith Williams-Cronin

Within 1 month of landing the job he landed the highest recruit we've had in since joining the American conference.

And considering MAW looks to be our best point guard since Cashmere Wright, I am very optimistic on his recruiting abilities. Saunders looks like a great grab as well. I am not sold on the Madsen brothers, but we will see.

Let’s keep in the mind the very very unique situation Zach Harvey found himself in before committing to UC

It’s not like he stole him away from big name schools. Literally we had to release a press release from our AD the day we signed him because of his past. A ton of schools pulled his offer and even his prep school no longer wanted him to enroll


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To be fair we haven't beat out a blue blood since huggy bear except twice in Yancy Gates (hometown kid) with an Indiana offer and Jermain Lawrence who shows Kansas and UCLA as offering (His offer sheet is odd when you take a look though).

Lance was the same situation if not worse than Harvey. Cumberland offers were Purdue/Xavier/Dayton.

Anyways it's yet tbd, but if Brannen can put together a couple of a good years I have hope for some big time lands compared to the direction we seemed headed in. Other than Traynor, I'm not aware of anyone in the 8-9 months we've had our new coach were we made a premier recruit a prime target and missed on.
-Pulling a kid from Washington with USC, Colorado, and Washington St. offers impresses me.
-Once Traynor landed the Louisville offer that was a done deal with connections to the school.

Also, Brannen wouldn't have been developing relationships with many of the big recruits last year since they would never have gone their anyways.

(12-23-2019 02:17 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 06:53 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 12:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  So you embellished about Cronin saying 4 stars were never coming here. Cool.

He also stated in his initial UCLA interview that he "couldn't recruit to Cincinnati". Something that really endeared him to the fanbase here.

He's a 4-star...

Jerk.

He couldn’t recruit stacked classes with multiple 4 stars to UC.

Which is what wins championships

Jarron was top 50, Gary a 4 star, Jacob a 4 star, Yancy a 4 star, kw was a 4 star out of high school, Logan was a 4 star on some sites, Keith Williams was a 4 star.

Mick brought in one 4 star per season something Brannen is doing to.

John Brannen isn’t an elite recruiter. It’s great to get Eason. But we still struck out and missed on a ton of guys already.






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if we want to play the 4 star on some site game, brannen has brought 4 4 stars in in 8 months, that sounds like stacking 4 stars to me.


harvey, eason, saunders, madsen are all 4 stars on some sites.



of course saunders and madsen are 4 star on espn, and espn sucks. madsen is the first 3 star on 247 so he's right on the cusp.

(12-23-2019 02:28 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:20 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 09:37 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 08:04 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:47 PM)C1ncy4Life Wrote:  Brannen continues to show his recruiting chops. Second straight class where he has landed a legit 4 Star prospect. I know we are going through some growing pains currently, but we may be better for it in the long run if he can continue to land top recruits that fit his system.

Over the course of Cronin's tenure at UC he averaged one 4-star player per class and he landed a couple of 5-star players as well. I don't see Brannen's recruiting thus far as anything different than what we had for the past dozen years.

Hmmm Cronin 15ish classes (many in the greatest bball conference of all time) to Brannen's 2 classes ranked in order:

1) Lance Stephenson-Cronin, you could argue he wasn't worth the 1 year if you wanted to (Big East)
2) Jermaine Lawrence-Cronin, Dud, lasted 1 year (Recruited while we were in Big East)
3) Yancy Gates-Cronin (Big East)
4) Zach Harvey-Brannen
5) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
6) Anthony McClain-Cronin, Dud (Big East)
7) Cashmere Wright-Cronin (Big East)
8) Darnell Wilks-Cronin, Dudish (Big East)
9) Gary Clark-Cronin
10) Tari Eason-Brannen
11) Jermaine Sanders- Cronin, Dudish (Big East)

Lets break it down to top 5 guys for Cronin's classes in the American without the first year and Louisville (Jermaine Lawrence) and 2 classes of Brannen:

1) Zach Harvey-Brannen
2) Jarron Cumberland-Cronin
3) Gary Clark- Cronin
4) Tari Eason-Brannen
5) Keith Williams-Cronin

Within 1 month of landing the job he landed the highest recruit we've had in since joining the American conference.

And considering MAW looks to be our best point guard since Cashmere Wright, I am very optimistic on his recruiting abilities. Saunders looks like a great grab as well. I am not sold on the Madsen brothers, but we will see.

Let’s keep in the mind the very very unique situation Zach Harvey found himself in before committing to UC

It’s not like he stole him away from big name schools. Literally we had to release a press release from our AD the day we signed him because of his past. A ton of schools pulled his offer and even his prep school no longer wanted him to enroll


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To be fair we haven't beat out a blue blood since huggy bear except once in Yancy Gates (hometown kid) with an Indiana offer.

Lance was the same situation if not worse than Harvey. Jermaine Lawrence next best offer was Syracuse.

Anyways it's yet tbd, but if Brannen can put together a couple of a good years I have hope for some big time lands.

I’m more concerned about how long it takes.

This year has been a train wreck.

We got one good win against what will likely just be a tier 2 team, because Lamont turner is now done fir the year. They likely suck in the sec and fall out of the top 75

Next year, we lose multiple contributors.

So we’re likely on a 2 year hiatus from the tourney.

Add in that, I could see a scenario where Zach Harvey bounces out from cincy. He’s barely playing .


I could see us going 10-8 in the AAC this year, and not even reaching 17 wins.





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(12-23-2019 02:33 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:17 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 06:53 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 12:12 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  So you embellished about Cronin saying 4 stars were never coming here. Cool.

He also stated in his initial UCLA interview that he "couldn't recruit to Cincinnati". Something that really endeared him to the fanbase here.

He's a 4-star...

Jerk.

He couldn’t recruit stacked classes with multiple 4 stars to UC.

Which is what wins championships

Jarron was top 50, Gary a 4 star, Jacob a 4 star, Yancy a 4 star, kw was a 4 star out of high school, Logan was a 4 star on some sites, Keith Williams was a 4 star.

Mick brought in one 4 star per season something Brannen is doing to.

John Brannen isn’t an elite recruiter. It’s great to get Eason. But we still struck out and missed on a ton of guys already.






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if we want to play the 4 star on some site game, brannen has brought 4 4 stars in in 8 months, that sounds like stacking 4 stars to me.


harvey, eason, saunders, madsen are all 4 stars on some sites.



of course saunders and madsen are 4 star on espn, and espn sucks. madsen is the first 3 star on 247 so he's right on the cusp.

Saunders had a bunch of mid major offers

Gabe had a few big 10 offers but we were the only major team willing to take his brother as a package deal.

Mason has nothing but low major offers

And the reality is... Zach Harvey was rated higher than Jarron. But Jarron was a far far better player his freshmen year.

MAW is the only guy who looks like a 4 year contributor.


Davenport to me is Trevor Moore 2.0... all energy and hustle but not much skill and IQ.





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Did you finally get kicked off Bearcat Journal?

(12-23-2019 02:37 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Saunders had a bunch of mid major offers

Gabe had a few big 10 offers but we were the only major team willing to take his brother as a package deal.

Mason has nothing but low major offers

And the reality is... Zach Harvey was rated higher than Jarron. But Jarron was a far far better player his freshmen year.

MAW is the only guy who looks like a 4 year contributor.

Davenport to me is Trevor Moore 2.0... all energy and hustle but not much skill and IQ.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in ratings and trying to project how a class will grade out/perform until enough time passes. I remember Gary Clark was not heralded down here in North Carolina as a recruit but he was a guy who got steadily better beyond anyone's wildest expectations. Kenyon Martin may be the best example of this. Zach Harvey has a lot of basketball in front of him and may end up being as impactful as Clark was during his Senior year. Bottom line, too early to know the end results.

(12-23-2019 02:24 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Regardless.

I’m glad we got Eason. It’s a made a tough start to the year a little more bearable


But John Brannen better deliver goods. Because if fans are going to gloat about his recruiting being better then mick then he damn right better bring home an AAC championship and make noise in March

Bc if mick can’t recruit like some are saying then.... he must be a hell of a coach to win all those games with bum ass talent.

You can’t win 90 games in 3 years and be a bad coach and a bad recruiter


I expect to make the tourney this year... though it’s about a 5% chance at the most. And I absolutely expect to make it next season. If we miss 2 years in a row, I expect the seat to get warm.

And it has nothing to do with beers against John Brannen but rather the precedent that two prior coaches set as a minimum for success.




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I said it on a different post, but literally look who all Brannen had to replace this season: Ellie, Logan, Trevor, Nysier, Prince, Curtis, Hardnett, Fredericks. 8 out of 13 possible scholarships transferred or had a medical hardship. Y'all are nuts if you think that he just walked into a stacked situation. To make it worse, his supposed stud has sucked all year and pouted about it. The second best remaining player transferred to Miami to hang out on the beach all year. The third is unfortunately very limited.

Keith Williams is playing night in and night out (outside of the Iowa game) better than he did in his entire first 2 seasons. Turns out Brannen wasn't just blowing smoke up our ass when he said Keith was the new ideal Bearcat. Give him time to get it turned around. It was Mick that chose to bail on the team to go to UCLA. Brannen is playing the hand as well as he can considering what he was dealt.

(12-23-2019 04:23 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:24 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Regardless.

I’m glad we got Eason. It’s a made a tough start to the year a little more bearable


But John Brannen better deliver goods. Because if fans are going to gloat about his recruiting being better then mick then he damn right better bring home an AAC championship and make noise in March

Bc if mick can’t recruit like some are saying then.... he must be a hell of a coach to win all those games with bum ass talent.

You can’t win 90 games in 3 years and be a bad coach and a bad recruiter


I expect to make the tourney this year... though it’s about a 5% chance at the most. And I absolutely expect to make it next season. If we miss 2 years in a row, I expect the seat to get warm.

And it has nothing to do with beers against John Brannen but rather the precedent that two prior coaches set as a minimum for success.




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I said it on a different post, but literally look who all Brannen had to replace this season: Ellie, Logan, Trevor, Nysier, Prince, Curtis, Hardnett, Fredericks. 8 out of 13 possible scholarships transferred or had a medical hardship. Y'all are nuts if you think that he just walked into a stacked situation. To make it worse, his supposed stud has sucked all year and pouted about it. The second best remaining player transferred to Miami to hang out on the beach all year. The third is unfortunately very limited.

Keith Williams is playing night in and night out (outside of the Iowa game) better than he did in his entire first 2 seasons. Turns out Brannen wasn't just blowing smoke up our ass when he said Keith was the new ideal Bearcat. Give him time to get it turned around. It was Mick that chose to bail on the team to go to UCLA. Brannen is playing the hand as well as he can considering what he was dealt.

he who dealt it smelt it

(12-23-2019 04:20 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:37 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Saunders had a bunch of mid major offers

Gabe had a few big 10 offers but we were the only major team willing to take his brother as a package deal.

Mason has nothing but low major offers

And the reality is... Zach Harvey was rated higher than Jarron. But Jarron was a far far better player his freshmen year.

MAW is the only guy who looks like a 4 year contributor.

Davenport to me is Trevor Moore 2.0... all energy and hustle but not much skill and IQ.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in ratings and trying to project how a class will grade out/perform until enough time passes. I remember Gary Clark was not heralded down here in North Carolina as a recruit but he was a guy who got steadily better beyond anyone's wildest expectations. Kenyon Martin may be the best example of this. Zach Harvey has a lot of basketball in front of him and may end up being as impactful as Clark
was during his Senior year. Bottom line, too early to know the end results.

Clark was a 4 star and was a top 100 guy coming out of HS.

Cumberland was a 4 star on the cusp of being in the top 50.

Kenyon was a 4 star around 75 if I recall correctly.

Those guys were supposed to be talented when they got here and all developed as well.

Now a guy like Sean Kilpatrick who was in the 340’s nationally (let that sink in), now there is a guy that the ratings flat out whiffed on. He was rated 167 spots lower than Jaquan Parker and 332 spots lower than Lance just in that UC recruiting class.

Brannen's recruiting will improve if and when he proves he has the ability to make the tournament, advance in the tournament, and develop talent. So far, he has recruited very well for a first-time high-major coach with no prior experience as an assistant for a marquee coach or program.

(12-23-2019 05:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 04:20 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 02:37 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Saunders had a bunch of mid major offers

Gabe had a few big 10 offers but we were the only major team willing to take his brother as a package deal.

Mason has nothing but low major offers

And the reality is... Zach Harvey was rated higher than Jarron. But Jarron was a far far better player his freshmen year.

MAW is the only guy who looks like a 4 year contributor.

Davenport to me is Trevor Moore 2.0... all energy and hustle but not much skill and IQ.

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I wouldn't put too much stock in ratings and trying to project how a class will grade out/perform until enough time passes. I remember Gary Clark was not heralded down here in North Carolina as a recruit but he was a guy who got steadily better beyond anyone's wildest expectations. Kenyon Martin may be the best example of this. Zach Harvey has a lot of basketball in front of him and may end up being as impactful as Clark
was during his Senior year. Bottom line, too early to know the end results.

Clark was a 4 star and was a top 100 guy coming out of HS.

Cumberland was a 4 star on the cusp of being in the top 50.

Kenyon was a 4 star around 75 if I recall correctly.

Those guys were supposed to be talented when they got here and all developed as well.

Now a guy like Sean Kilpatrick who was in the 340’s nationally (let that sink in), now there is a guy that the ratings flat out whiffed on. He was rated 167 spots lower than Jaquan Parker and 332 spots lower than Lance just in that UC recruiting class.

I dont remember Clark or Kenyon as a 4 star recruit. Ill take your word but neither made a significant impact until their Junior year. Senior years they were off the charts. Again, 3 or 4 star ratings don't always equate to how a guy ends up on performance and development-wise. Judging Brannen or any coach for that matter on a class right as the ink dries can be folly if you're trying to make projections or assumptions IMO.

Yeah, Clark was #90 nationally in that class.

Kenyon was in the 70’s and people were excited about him when he got here and then everyone freaked when it looked like he was in over his head as a freshman.

I remember watching Kenyon as a frosh and thinking "meh." Skinny dude who couldnt do much outside of grabbing a board. How wrong I was on that initial assessment and damn gladly so.

Yeah, he only got about 10 minutes a game and didn’t even take his warmup jersey off in about 1/3 of the games. Nowadays he’d have been on spring transfer portal watch most likely.

Watching Harvey in the Iowa game he looks a bit like a kid who is not happy right now. Hope he sticks it out.

(12-23-2019 06:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Yeah, he only got about 10 minutes a game and didn’t even take his warmup jersey off in about 1/3 of the games. Nowadays he’d have been on spring transfer portal watch most likely.

Watching Harvey in the Iowa game he looks a bit like a kid who is not happy right now. Hope he sticks it out.

I honestly think that is just his demeanor from the highlight videos I saw him in. Kind of emotionless. Not always a bad thing, but needs to just keep his head up, he has talent.