RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-15-2019 06:45 PM)Penny1 Wrote: Once Wiseman returns from his unfair punishment by the NCAA dictators on January 12, it will be very hard for anyone in this conference to beat us.
Wichita State will be the only with a true shot and that's because when we play them Wiseman won't be able to, and it's at WSU where they hardly ever lose.
But then again, we just snapped the nation's longest home winning streak at 31. So anything is possible.
After watching this teàm grow and mature so fast, I predict a 17-1 conference record for Memphis in the AAC and a Conference championship, a 30-1 overall record and a #1 seed.
There's just nobody in the AAC on the same talent level nor have the depth as this Memphis team does. Wiseman is a generational talent that college basketball rarely sees.
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(12-15-2019 10:08 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:19 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:16 PM)Penny1 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:11 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:10 PM)Penny1 Wrote: Wiseman and Quinones fix those issues.
Memphis without those two are already a top 10 team.
Memphis with those two are National champion contenders.
Not my opinion either. That's what the experts are all saying.
You can be a national title contender and still drop 2,3 or 4 games in conference. Happens every year
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True, if you're in a power conference. Not if you're in the AAC.
Memphis has beaten #19 Tennessee on the road, Ole Miss at home, and NC State on a neutral court. All three of those teams are better than anyone in this conference, minus WSU.
maybe true.. but road games are hard, and freshman become freshman at times. It's hard to win a bunch in a row especially as we get into the meat of the season where you are playing multiple games a week every week
And while Tennessee is probably better than anyone, I wouldn't toss NC State and Ole Miss in the category of better than anyone else in the AAC. They would be mid to upper tier likely. KenPom has NC State as basically equal to Wichita and Houston. Ole Miss would be 7th per KenPom
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That's a fair assessment. As much as I want to be a Memphis Homer, I didn't honestly expect our Freshmen to be able to handle TN. It was ugly, but somehow we survived.
Not sure we can handle that at WSU without Wiseman.
I don't mean that as an excuse. More like...what the heck are we going to look like after Wiseman rejoins the lineup?
The Shockers would be favored if the game was held today, IMO.
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 08:50 AM)Miggy Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:49 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:24 PM)Miggy Wrote: Believe Oregon beat Memphis. Oregon already lost to two other teams. How is that good? Tennessee and N.Carolina State way overrated. Memphis only scored 51 points against Tennessee. Both Tenn. and N. Carolina State wouldn’t even be among AAC’s top 6 team. Shouldn’t brag about beating Ole Miss. by 1-point at home, especially when Mississippi rated 70th in the nation.
Memphis among nation’s worse in turnovers and personal fouls. Those stats big factors in outcome of games. Memphis rated 260 in the nation in made three’s. Admit that Wiseman will help.
Just curious, why are you so angry with Memphis? Did one of our message board fans royally piss you off?
Just thought that some Memphis fans are being a little too cocky. Just wanted to tweak them a little. Talent alone is not enough. When they play experienced teams with talent, their committing excessive fouls and turnovers could prove costly. Wiseman picking up two early fouls in Oregon game proved costly.
I’ve been critical of Temple. Temple has lots of upside, but has to prove it in conference play.
Lots of very good teams in AAC. Very competitive and deep conference.
Wichita State very tough team with excellent offensive and defensive schemes. Shooting could be stronger. Like the way Connecticut plays.
When Memphis and Temple play next, who do you think wins?
(This post was last modified: 12-16-2019 09:59 AM by Tiger1983.)
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 09:55 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:08 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:19 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:16 PM)Penny1 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:11 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: You can be a national title contender and still drop 2,3 or 4 games in conference. Happens every year
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True, if you're in a power conference. Not if you're in the AAC.
Memphis has beaten #19 Tennessee on the road, Ole Miss at home, and NC State on a neutral court. All three of those teams are better than anyone in this conference, minus WSU.
maybe true.. but road games are hard, and freshman become freshman at times. It's hard to win a bunch in a row especially as we get into the meat of the season where you are playing multiple games a week every week
And while Tennessee is probably better than anyone, I wouldn't toss NC State and Ole Miss in the category of better than anyone else in the AAC. They would be mid to upper tier likely. KenPom has NC State as basically equal to Wichita and Houston. Ole Miss would be 7th per KenPom
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That's a fair assessment. As much as I want to be a Memphis Homer, I didn't honestly expect our Freshmen to be able to handle TN. It was ugly, but somehow we survived.
Not sure we can handle that at WSU without Wiseman.
I don't mean that as an excuse. More like...what the heck are we going to look like after Wiseman rejoins the lineup?
The Shockers would be favored if the game was held today, IMO.
KenPom currently has the game at WSU as 72-69 Wichita and the game at Memphis 73-68 Memphis.
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 10:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 09:55 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:08 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:19 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:16 PM)Penny1 Wrote: True, if you're in a power conference. Not if you're in the AAC.
Memphis has beaten #19 Tennessee on the road, Ole Miss at home, and NC State on a neutral court. All three of those teams are better than anyone in this conference, minus WSU.
maybe true.. but road games are hard, and freshman become freshman at times. It's hard to win a bunch in a row especially as we get into the meat of the season where you are playing multiple games a week every week
And while Tennessee is probably better than anyone, I wouldn't toss NC State and Ole Miss in the category of better than anyone else in the AAC. They would be mid to upper tier likely. KenPom has NC State as basically equal to Wichita and Houston. Ole Miss would be 7th per KenPom
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That's a fair assessment. As much as I want to be a Memphis Homer, I didn't honestly expect our Freshmen to be able to handle TN. It was ugly, but somehow we survived.
Not sure we can handle that at WSU without Wiseman.
I don't mean that as an excuse. More like...what the heck are we going to look like after Wiseman rejoins the lineup?
The Shockers would be favored if the game was held today, IMO.
KenPom currently has the game at WSU as 72-69 Wichita and the game at Memphis 73-68 Memphis.
Both games should be fun.
Makes sense, but KP at this point of the season is not a reliable indicator.
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 08:50 AM)Miggy Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:49 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:24 PM)Miggy Wrote: Believe Oregon beat Memphis. Oregon already lost to two other teams. How is that good? Tennessee and N.Carolina State way overrated. Memphis only scored 51 points against Tennessee. Both Tenn. and N. Carolina State wouldn’t even be among AAC’s top 6 team. Shouldn’t brag about beating Ole Miss. by 1-point at home, especially when Mississippi rated 70th in the nation.
Memphis among nation’s worse in turnovers and personal fouls. Those stats big factors in outcome of games. Memphis rated 260 in the nation in made three’s. Admit that Wiseman will help.
Just curious, why are you so angry with Memphis? Did one of our message board fans royally piss you off?
Just thought that some Memphis fans are being a little too cocky. Just wanted to tweak them a little. Talent alone is not enough. When they play experienced teams with talent, their committing excessive fouls and turnovers could prove costly. Wiseman picking up two early fouls in Oregon game proved costly.
I’ve been critical of Temple. Temple has lots of upside, but has to prove it in conference play.
Lots of very good teams in AAC. Very competitive and deep conference.
Wichita State very tough team with excellent offensive and defensive schemes. Shooting could be stronger. Like the way Connecticut plays.
When Memphis and Temple play next, who do you think wins?
Temple played a pressured defense the whole game against St.Joe’s. Resulted in Temple scoring 108-points, and winning by 51-points.
If they did that playing Maryland, Temple would have beat Maryland. If Temple plays that way going forward, Temple will be almost Impossible to beat, as their defense is off the chart, and one of the best in the nation.
Temple plays better when Rose takes less shots. But for his shooting, Rose is playing terrifically so far this season.
Have some minor other concerns as well. Will answer your question regarding who will win when Temple travels to Memphis, after seeing style of play Temple plays the next few games.
Going into the season, I thought Temple’s offense would carry the day. But it’s turned-out that their defense is their is offense. Makes everyone on Temple a very good player.
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 10:45 AM)Miggy Wrote:
(12-16-2019 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 08:50 AM)Miggy Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:49 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:24 PM)Miggy Wrote: Believe Oregon beat Memphis. Oregon already lost to two other teams. How is that good? Tennessee and N.Carolina State way overrated. Memphis only scored 51 points against Tennessee. Both Tenn. and N. Carolina State wouldn’t even be among AAC’s top 6 team. Shouldn’t brag about beating Ole Miss. by 1-point at home, especially when Mississippi rated 70th in the nation.
Memphis among nation’s worse in turnovers and personal fouls. Those stats big factors in outcome of games. Memphis rated 260 in the nation in made three’s. Admit that Wiseman will help.
Just curious, why are you so angry with Memphis? Did one of our message board fans royally piss you off?
Just thought that some Memphis fans are being a little too cocky. Just wanted to tweak them a little. Talent alone is not enough. When they play experienced teams with talent, their committing excessive fouls and turnovers could prove costly. Wiseman picking up two early fouls in Oregon game proved costly.
I’ve been critical of Temple. Temple has lots of upside, but has to prove it in conference play.
Lots of very good teams in AAC. Very competitive and deep conference.
Wichita State very tough team with excellent offensive and defensive schemes. Shooting could be stronger. Like the way Connecticut plays.
When Memphis and Temple play next, who do you think wins?
Temple played a pressured defense the whole game against St.Joe’s. Resulted in Temple scoring 108-points, and winning by 51-points.
If they did that playing Maryland, Temple would have beat Maryland. If Temple plays that way going forward, Temple will be almost Impossible to beat, as their defense is off the chart, and one of the best in the nation.
Temple plays better when Rose takes less shots. But for his shooting, Rose is playing terrifically so far this season.
Have some minor other concerns as well. Will answer your question regarding who will win when Temple travels to Memphis, after seeing style of play Temple plays the next few games.
Going into the season, I thought Temple’s offense would carry the day. But it’s turned-out that their defense is their is offense. Makes everyone on Temple a very good player.
Ok, let me rephrase the question. If Memphis and Temple played today, who do you think wins?
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 10:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 10:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 09:55 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:08 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:19 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: maybe true.. but road games are hard, and freshman become freshman at times. It's hard to win a bunch in a row especially as we get into the meat of the season where you are playing multiple games a week every week
And while Tennessee is probably better than anyone, I wouldn't toss NC State and Ole Miss in the category of better than anyone else in the AAC. They would be mid to upper tier likely. KenPom has NC State as basically equal to Wichita and Houston. Ole Miss would be 7th per KenPom
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That's a fair assessment. As much as I want to be a Memphis Homer, I didn't honestly expect our Freshmen to be able to handle TN. It was ugly, but somehow we survived.
Not sure we can handle that at WSU without Wiseman.
I don't mean that as an excuse. More like...what the heck are we going to look like after Wiseman rejoins the lineup?
The Shockers would be favored if the game was held today, IMO.
KenPom currently has the game at WSU as 72-69 Wichita and the game at Memphis 73-68 Memphis.
Both games should be fun.
Makes sense, but KP at this point of the season is not a reliable indicator.
It's getting closer and closer to being reliable with 10+ games of input for each team.
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 10:46 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 10:45 AM)Miggy Wrote:
(12-16-2019 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 08:50 AM)Miggy Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:49 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote: Just curious, why are you so angry with Memphis? Did one of our message board fans royally piss you off?
Just thought that some Memphis fans are being a little too cocky. Just wanted to tweak them a little. Talent alone is not enough. When they play experienced teams with talent, their committing excessive fouls and turnovers could prove costly. Wiseman picking up two early fouls in Oregon game proved costly.
I’ve been critical of Temple. Temple has lots of upside, but has to prove it in conference play.
Lots of very good teams in AAC. Very competitive and deep conference.
Wichita State very tough team with excellent offensive and defensive schemes. Shooting could be stronger. Like the way Connecticut plays.
When Memphis and Temple play next, who do you think wins?
Temple played a pressured defense the whole game against St.Joe’s. Resulted in Temple scoring 108-points, and winning by 51-points.
If they did that playing Maryland, Temple would have beat Maryland. If Temple plays that way going forward, Temple will be almost Impossible to beat, as their defense is off the chart, and one of the best in the nation.
Temple plays better when Rose takes less shots. But for his shooting, Rose is playing terrifically so far this season.
Have some minor other concerns as well. Will answer your question regarding who will win when Temple travels to Memphis, after seeing style of play Temple plays the next few games.
Going into the season, I thought Temple’s offense would carry the day. But it’s turned-out that their defense is their is offense. Makes everyone on Temple a very good player.
Ok, let me rephrase the question. If Memphis and Temple played today, who do you think wins?
Memphis would absolutely LOVE it if Temple pressed them the whole game. Would love to see Temple bigs trying to run the floor with Wiseman and would mean Memphis basically never needs to get into half court offense.
(This post was last modified: 12-16-2019 11:09 AM by tkgrrett.)
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(12-16-2019 11:08 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:
(12-16-2019 10:46 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 10:45 AM)Miggy Wrote:
(12-16-2019 09:58 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 08:50 AM)Miggy Wrote: Just thought that some Memphis fans are being a little too cocky. Just wanted to tweak them a little. Talent alone is not enough. When they play experienced teams with talent, their committing excessive fouls and turnovers could prove costly. Wiseman picking up two early fouls in Oregon game proved costly.
I’ve been critical of Temple. Temple has lots of upside, but has to prove it in conference play.
Lots of very good teams in AAC. Very competitive and deep conference.
Wichita State very tough team with excellent offensive and defensive schemes. Shooting could be stronger. Like the way Connecticut plays.
When Memphis and Temple play next, who do you think wins?
Temple played a pressured defense the whole game against St.Joe’s. Resulted in Temple scoring 108-points, and winning by 51-points.
If they did that playing Maryland, Temple would have beat Maryland. If Temple plays that way going forward, Temple will be almost Impossible to beat, as their defense is off the chart, and one of the best in the nation.
Temple plays better when Rose takes less shots. But for his shooting, Rose is playing terrifically so far this season.
Have some minor other concerns as well. Will answer your question regarding who will win when Temple travels to Memphis, after seeing style of play Temple plays the next few games.
Going into the season, I thought Temple’s offense would carry the day. But it’s turned-out that their defense is their is offense. Makes everyone on Temple a very good player.
Ok, let me rephrase the question. If Memphis and Temple played today, who do you think wins?
Memphis would absolutely LOVE it if Temple pressed them the whole game. Would love to see Temple bigs trying to run the floor with Wiseman and would mean Memphis basically never needs to get into half court offense.
I used the word “pressure,” not “press.” Two different meanings. I was referring to half-court pressure.
(This post was last modified: 12-16-2019 12:11 PM by Miggy.)
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(12-16-2019 10:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 10:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 09:55 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:08 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:
(12-15-2019 08:19 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote: maybe true.. but road games are hard, and freshman become freshman at times. It's hard to win a bunch in a row especially as we get into the meat of the season where you are playing multiple games a week every week
And while Tennessee is probably better than anyone, I wouldn't toss NC State and Ole Miss in the category of better than anyone else in the AAC. They would be mid to upper tier likely. KenPom has NC State as basically equal to Wichita and Houston. Ole Miss would be 7th per KenPom
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That's a fair assessment. As much as I want to be a Memphis Homer, I didn't honestly expect our Freshmen to be able to handle TN. It was ugly, but somehow we survived.
Not sure we can handle that at WSU without Wiseman.
I don't mean that as an excuse. More like...what the heck are we going to look like after Wiseman rejoins the lineup?
The Shockers would be favored if the game was held today, IMO.
KenPom currently has the game at WSU as 72-69 Wichita and the game at Memphis 73-68 Memphis.
Both games should be fun.
Makes sense, but KP at this point of the season is not a reliable indicator.
RE: ***AAC Games from 12/9/19 (Monday) through 12/15/19 (Sunday)***
(12-16-2019 12:19 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:
(12-16-2019 10:42 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 10:27 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:
(12-16-2019 09:55 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(12-15-2019 10:08 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote: That's a fair assessment. As much as I want to be a Memphis Homer, I didn't honestly expect our Freshmen to be able to handle TN. It was ugly, but somehow we survived.
Not sure we can handle that at WSU without Wiseman.
I don't mean that as an excuse. More like...what the heck are we going to look like after Wiseman rejoins the lineup?
The Shockers would be favored if the game was held today, IMO.
KenPom currently has the game at WSU as 72-69 Wichita and the game at Memphis 73-68 Memphis.
Both games should be fun.
Makes sense, but KP at this point of the season is not a reliable indicator.
Then what is a reliable indicator?
Tennessee beat themselves in Memphis game by jacking up 3’s and missing them.
I like Bart Torvik rankings over Ken Pomeroy.
For what it’s worth, Bart Torvik has both Wichita State and Memphis winning when they play each other, on their respective home courts.
(This post was last modified: 12-16-2019 01:47 PM by Miggy.)
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