(11-28-2019 11:30 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Let me just throw something else out there....

The last 2 schools to leave the SBC, was FAU, then Western. Now take a peak at the last 4 CUSA champions...3 out of 4 belong to those 2 schools and there's a very good chance it will be 4 out of 5. Then you look at next year and Both FAU and Western should be 2 of the top schools in preseason polls.

I would bet money today's USM would not be in the top 3 schools if the SBC presidents and ADs voted. Which they do.

Exactly! What matters is winning which the “flagships” have not been doing. Blaming the “newbies” for their problems when they haven’t won anything in 15 years is really unbelievable.

I don't really understand all this C-USA and SBC joining together talk. SunBelt brings absolutely no value other than App State in Football. That's it. What's the point?

Southern Miss now has the smallest budget in CUSA. Smallest assistant staff coaching salary pool and lowest paid head coach at 500K. UNT Littrell makes 1.75 million. Dwindling fan base, smallest financial from state govt. than any school in CUSA. Unless something miraculous happens USM will be FCS school. Current financials not sustainable and no help coming. Current president could care less about sports or saving football.

(11-28-2019 12:38 PM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 11:30 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Let me just throw something else out there....

The last 2 schools to leave the SBC, was FAU, then Western. Now take a peak at the last 4 CUSA champions...3 out of 4 belong to those 2 schools and there's a very good chance it will be 4 out of 5. Then you look at next year and Both FAU and Western should be 2 of the top schools in preseason polls.

I would bet money today's USM would not be in the top 3 schools if the SBC presidents and ADs voted. Which they do.

Exactly! What matters is winning which the “flagships” have not been doing. Blaming the “newbies” for their problems when they haven’t won anything in 15 years is really unbelievable.

+1000 this is the best post in this thread. Don't blame newbies for your lack of success when you only have yourselves to blame.

(11-28-2019 11:05 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 10:51 AM)Noodles Wrote:  We just hate the Judy show. Yes, we have sucked recently. That's hardly the point, though. The leadership of this conference seems purposely bad. That's the entire point.

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Best post of this woeful thread. 14 athletic directors/university presidents and 14 fan bases should demand better.

These 14 university presidents are the employers of Judy and company. They could fire her if they wanted to. Clearly the majority don't want that at the moment.

Here's a little interesting fact about USM since Western joined CUSA.....

take out Tech and USM has not beat 2 teams with a winning record in the same season while Western has played in CUSA. Including Tech, only 2 out of 5 (yes I'm counting Sat. as a loss) years.

No wonder their fans want to join another conference....flagship

I was hoping we would drop down to the SoCon again. Miss those days. Obviously we can’t compete at this level.


I’d also bet that Charlotte goes to the SEC by 2025

(11-28-2019 03:01 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  I was hoping we would drop down to the SoCon again. Miss those days. Obviously we can’t compete at this level.


I’d also bet that Charlotte goes to the SEC by 2025

clt says finally a smart comment on this chat page chat thread.

(11-28-2019 01:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a little interesting fact about USM since Western joined CUSA.....

take out Tech and USM has not beat 2 teams with a winning record in the same season while Western has played in CUSA. Including Tech, only 2 out of 5 (yes I'm counting Sat. as a loss) years.

No wonder their fans want to join another conference....flagship

I've read through the squalor....

what many of us understand is how it's played out post haste from 1.0....

many of us understand the 'why'....

what we now are abhorrent towards 'giving in' is bs leadership from all parties involved....

us 'lifers' dont really give a fk anymore....it's been game over for ALL g5s for since '11...

regardless, it'll all play out by ~'24...

it's a waste of time posting smack at this point...

however, it was fonzies while it lasted....

(11-28-2019 04:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 01:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a little interesting fact about USM since Western joined CUSA.....

take out Tech and USM has not beat 2 teams with a winning record in the same season while Western has played in CUSA. Including Tech, only 2 out of 5 (yes I'm counting Sat. as a loss) years.

No wonder their fans want to join another conference....flagship

I've read through the squalor....

what many of us understand is how it's played out post haste from 1.0....

many of us understand the 'why'....

what we now are abhorrent towards 'giving in' is bs leadership from all parties involved....

us 'lifers' dont really give a fk anymore....it's been game over for ALL g5s for since '11...

regardless, it'll all play out by ~'24...

it's a waste of time posting smack at this point...

however, it was fonzies while it lasted....

Geez you folks need to get yur head out yur arses. The "game over" stuff is particularly gratifying. May be worth noting that the consensus over in the Sun Belt is we're in a good spot. It could be due to the hole yur heads r in yr ars thing.

(11-28-2019 06:37 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 04:00 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 01:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Here's a little interesting fact about USM since Western joined CUSA.....

take out Tech and USM has not beat 2 teams with a winning record in the same season while Western has played in CUSA. Including Tech, only 2 out of 5 (yes I'm counting Sat. as a loss) years.

No wonder their fans want to join another conference....flagship

I've read through the squalor....

what many of us understand is how it's played out post haste from 1.0....

many of us understand the 'why'....

what we now are abhorrent towards 'giving in' is bs leadership from all parties involved....

us 'lifers' dont really give a fk anymore....it's been game over for ALL g5s for since '11...

regardless, it'll all play out by ~'24...

it's a waste of time posting smack at this point...

however, it was fonzies while it lasted....

Geez you folks need to get yur head out yur arses. The "game over" stuff is particularly gratifying. May be worth noting that the consensus over in the Sun Belt is we're in a good spot. It could be due to the hole yur heads r in yr ars thing.

I didn't say one word about the 'belt....go choke on that bs all you want...it doesn't matter in scope...

the point is realignment WILL HAPPEN AGAIN IN A MAJOR FASHION BEFORE IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE...

once the tv contracts expire for the big boys, watch what happens with the p5 elite flagship schools, the p5 remainder, and the g5 upper and lower....the NCAA is already crayfishing in an attempt to remain relevant now that 'pay for play' is coming to fruition...

if you think today's world of college athletics will exist in 5 yrs. as it does today, you're living in a dream world...the $$$ are too large at this point...hell, Saban's already alluded to what the future will look like...

the bottom line is southern miss and low budget schools like us will be at the mercy how it all plays out down the road....

do you honestly believe anyone outside of conference affiliates actually give two shites about the 'belt, cusa, mac, mwc, aac....the bulk of the nation couldn't care less....

when I say it's "game over", that's what it means....

btw, nice cherry picking from my initial post....whackjob

With no disrespect to our Texas schools, the secret to making this conference better is cutting out the 4 Texas schools. This moves the CUSA offices to a more centralized location. Cuts down travel immensely. Cuts out UTEP and Rice, that have performed extremely poorly in both major sports for at least 5 years. Those two drop our averages and put us squarely behind the Sunbelt. And UTSA hasn't been much help, lately, either.

At that point we can poach 2 of the best from the 'belt and be at a 12 team, centralized, southern based conference that goes no further west than Louisiana. And we'll be stronger than the Sunbelt by adding Appy St and Georgia Southern or Louisiana and Troy or whatever combination is accepted and moves the needle.

That is the only way to fix this mess while maintaining some of the rivalries already built or building. It's that or East and West both split off and add 2 to make 2 conferences with 9 member round-robin conferences that will have the requisite number of teams playing together long enough (6-years '14-'19) to keep an autobid and split the bowls down the middle. Either way I'm fine with. I do not like the giant mess we have now.

(11-28-2019 11:58 PM)MUther Wrote:  With no disrespect to our Texas schools, the secret to making this conference better is cutting out the 4 Texas schools. This moves the CUSA offices to a more centralized location. Cuts down travel immensely. Cuts out UTEP and Rice, that have performed extremely poorly in both major sports for at least 5 years. Those two drop our averages and put us squarely behind the Sunbelt. And UTSA hasn't been much help, lately, either.

At that point we can poach 2 of the best from the 'belt and be at a 12 team, centralized, southern based conference that goes no further west than Louisiana. And we'll be stronger than the Sunbelt by adding Appy St and Georgia Southern or Louisiana and Troy or whatever combination is accepted and moves the needle.

That is the only way to fix this mess while maintaining some of the rivalries already built or building. It's that or East and West both split off and add 2 to make 2 conferences with 9 member round-robin conferences that will have the requisite number of teams playing together long enough (6-years '14-'19) to keep an autobid and split the bowls down the middle. Either way I'm fine with. I do not like the giant mess we have now.

Conveniently dropping that conference championship 6 years ago
Rice could have the top defense in CUSA next season if we don’t have any offseason surprises.

Rice is the only CUSA school with a national title in a big 3 men’s sport in the last 2 decades. UTEP had one 50+ years ago.

It doesn’t move the needle but Rice women’s sports have been mostly top 2-3 in everything with quite a few conference championships since 2013.

If 12 teams want to pay Rice to go independent I’d be perfectly happy with that. We have nothing in common with anyone in this league and are here because our administration was extremely inept for a long long time. A lot of posters here like to complain about circumstances but Rice actually had a spot at the big boys table and lost it.

(11-28-2019 10:55 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 10:37 AM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  I think marshal and southern miss see how easy app has had it, and are tired of all these startups kicking their ass

App has had it pretty easy vs CUSA as well to be fair.

To be fair, App State only manages to play the worst teams in C-USA, so you are right there. Try putting down some actual competition in your future schedules.

(11-27-2019 11:54 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 11:46 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Of course history matters. That's why every school in the Sun Belt would sprint to open the door for USM or Marshall. With the right motivation those schools would be scary good. I see a lot of big talk about potential at certain schools. Potential is History's retarded step brother. You can brag about either, but only one really matters

Spot on brother. You said it way better than I could have ever said it.

So much irony here. You're getting mad cause teams with no FBS history are kicking your ass, so you want to go to the Sun Belt where a team with no FBS history (app state) will kick your ass. Then you have this App State kid explaining how history is so important to a football program when App State has less history than WKU does.

App has trailed WKU in every achievement, FCS national championships, entering FBS, top 25 ranking, consecutive conference champions. They have always been a step behind WKU, yet you are so quick to trade CUSA for Sun Belt because the media has made App State their little darling since Michigan. We blow out an SEC team, embarrass them silly, all the talk is about Arkansas' head coach. App State barely wins over SC and the media goes wild about how they earned that win. Clear bias there, but it doesn't mean you have to suck Yosef's beanie weenie too. You're trying to trade one situation for the exact same one.

(11-29-2019 12:20 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 11:58 PM)MUther Wrote:  With no disrespect to our Texas schools, the secret to making this conference better is cutting out the 4 Texas schools. This moves the CUSA offices to a more centralized location. Cuts down travel immensely. Cuts out UTEP and Rice, that have performed extremely poorly in both major sports for at least 5 years. Those two drop our averages and put us squarely behind the Sunbelt. And UTSA hasn't been much help, lately, either.

At that point we can poach 2 of the best from the 'belt and be at a 12 team, centralized, southern based conference that goes no further west than Louisiana. And we'll be stronger than the Sunbelt by adding Appy St and Georgia Southern or Louisiana and Troy or whatever combination is accepted and moves the needle.

That is the only way to fix this mess while maintaining some of the rivalries already built or building. It's that or East and West both split off and add 2 to make 2 conferences with 9 member round-robin conferences that will have the requisite number of teams playing together long enough (6-years '14-'19) to keep an autobid and split the bowls down the middle. Either way I'm fine with. I do not like the giant mess we have now.

Conveniently dropping that conference championship 6 years ago
Rice could have the top defense in CUSA next season if we don’t have any offseason surprises.

Rice is the only CUSA school with a national title in a big 3 men’s sport in the last 2 decades. UTEP had one 50+ years ago.

It doesn’t move the needle but Rice women’s sports have been mostly top 2-3 in everything with quite a few conference championships since 2013.

If 12 teams want to pay Rice to go independent I’d be perfectly happy with that. We have nothing in common with anyone in this league and are here because our administration was extremely inept for a long long time. A lot of posters here like to complain about circumstances but Rice actually had a spot at the big boys table and lost it.

2014 was the first year we were all together, hence the cutoff. Coincidentally, it's also the benchmark of 6 years playing together for autobids. Also this season is almost over and you haven't done **** making 2015, five football seasons ago. I guess I could say 7 years ago, but why? And after that championship you didn't still continue to do well. You didn't have a bad year or two. You haven't done dick. In 7 years. I didn't wish to drill in my point like that but there's always that one guy... Oh and get back to me when winning baseball makes the conference millions of extra dollars. There are not 3 major sports in the money world of college athletics and that's what this thread is about. The extra money the Sunbelt is getting for beating us out in football. Figured you Rice boys were the smart ones and might have read the article.

(11-28-2019 01:21 PM)NinerAlum18 Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 12:38 PM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 11:30 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Let me just throw something else out there....

The last 2 schools to leave the SBC, was FAU, then Western. Now take a peak at the last 4 CUSA champions...3 out of 4 belong to those 2 schools and there's a very good chance it will be 4 out of 5. Then you look at next year and Both FAU and Western should be 2 of the top schools in preseason polls.

I would bet money today's USM would not be in the top 3 schools if the SBC presidents and ADs voted. Which they do.

Exactly! What matters is winning which the “flagships” have not been doing. Blaming the “newbies” for their problems when they haven’t won anything in 15 years is really unbelievable.

+1000 this is the best post in this thread. Don't blame newbies for your lack of success when you only have yourselves to blame.

Well we've always got soccer, I guess...someone's got to carry the torch.
Tough out for you guys vs Clemson.

(11-28-2019 12:38 PM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 11:30 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Let me just throw something else out there....

The last 2 schools to leave the SBC, was FAU, then Western. Now take a peak at the last 4 CUSA champions...3 out of 4 belong to those 2 schools and there's a very good chance it will be 4 out of 5. Then you look at next year and Both FAU and Western should be 2 of the top schools in preseason polls.

I would bet money today's USM would not be in the top 3 schools if the SBC presidents and ADs voted. Which they do.

Exactly! What matters is winning which the “flagships” have not been doing. Blaming the “newbies” for their problems when they haven’t won anything in 15 years is really unbelievable.

Pretty sure we've been winning. Pretty sure we've a winning record every year but one in this iteration of the conference. And have not lost a single bowl. Pretty sure no one else but LaTech can say that. See you can beat us in a game, in a season. But none of you can put together a winning program for as long as we have Or, at least, not yet have you done so. The really funny part is we have what you guys would die for, and we're not satisfied with it. Our whole fanbase is split in half over the coach that does what you guys dream about, wanting him fired for underperforming for years now. You're so new you don't even understand what it's like to want to fire a coach that wins MOST of the time but drops the wrong games that keep us from getting to the top. USM understands this. They've been there before.

(11-28-2019 11:07 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(11-28-2019 09:59 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 11:41 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  The Sun Belt has already surpassed CUSA so if we can get USM and Marshal y'all would be sunk. Markets....lol.

Were you an Enron exec? Lack of business knowledge seems familiar.

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Nothing to do with business. The football is a failure overall. Different polls have verified that.

Because they took too many schools and are too spread out.

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