The place where all the Deion rumors started? NFL Network and NFL.com. Where does Deion work? NFL Network. I wish we could all get new jobs by having our colleagues suggest it publicly.

(11-08-2019 05:36 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-08-2019 12:33 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I would not want Odell or Deion as the next HC. They don’t appear qualified and you’d hate to sour a relationship with a legend in case they need to be fired. Get the most qualified.

Hey it worked for LSU with Coach O

Orgeron had been a coach before....at USC. Look where USC is now

He was also the big man at Ole Miss for a few years...

(11-07-2019 12:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Wouldn't it be funny if FSU ends up removing the interim tag from Odell Haggins?

Nope.... it would be a great idea if FSU removed the "interim" tag, IHMO.

(11-12-2019 03:43 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-07-2019 12:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Wouldn't it be funny if FSU ends up removing the interim tag from Odell Haggins?

Nope.... it would be a great idea if FSU removed the "interim" tag, IHMO.

It might be just what FSU needs to quiet down the program, save some money, and focus on being Florida State with people that really care about the program rather than try to bring in another hired gun.

(11-12-2019 03:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 03:43 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(11-07-2019 12:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Wouldn't it be funny if FSU ends up removing the interim tag from Odell Haggins?

Nope.... it would be a great idea if FSU removed the "interim" tag, IHMO.

It might be just what FSU needs to quiet down the program, save some money, and focus on being Florida State with people that really care about the program rather than try to bring in another hired gun.

TRUE - they could certainly do a lot worse!

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Is that a bad thing? Ol' Dumbo Fisher aint exactly tearing it up over there at A&M...

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course, and can FSU afford to take that gambe?

If Haggins fails......how do you fire an all time legend at FSU.


There is NOTHING about hiring Haggins that is safe. And if you are writing checks to FSU.....safety is #1.

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course, and can FSU afford to take that gambe?

If Haggins fails......how do you fire an all time legend at FSU.


There is NOTHING about hiring Haggins that is safe. And if you are writing checks to FSU.....safety is #1.

The counter is how do you know if the next HC would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? There is no way of knowing that as well. The gamble doesn't go away regardless of whether it is a named hire or not. On paper, hiring Bob Stoops looks like a home run hire; however, is there any certainty that he can replicate his success at OU? It's all a mystery.

I would disagree with the notion that there is nothing safe about promoting him to HC. I think if anyone is a safe hire, Odell would be #1 on that list. Sometimes individuals that are a part of the family tree knows exactly what the program needs. It is safe to say that Briles would continue to be the OC. Leveatt more than likely would become the DC or co DC; therefore, there is a continuity with him being promoted. There is a solid bridge to past FSU attitude and what is expected. There is a better communicator to recruits as to what it means to be a Seminole. And, there is no delay in players learning a new staff and systems, etc.

(11-14-2019 01:12 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course, and can FSU afford to take that gambe?

If Haggins fails......how do you fire an all time legend at FSU.


There is NOTHING about hiring Haggins that is safe. And if you are writing checks to FSU.....safety is #1.

The counter is how do you know if the next HC would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? There is no way of knowing that as well. The gamble doesn't go away regardless of whether it is a named hire or not. On paper, hiring Bob Stoops looks like a home run hire; however, is there any certainty that he can replicate his success at OU? It's all a mystery.

I would disagree with the notion that there is nothing safe about promoting him to HC. I think if anyone is a safe hire, Odell would be #1 on that list. Sometimes individuals that are a part of the family tree knows exactly what the program needs. It is safe to say that Briles would continue to be the OC. Leveatt more than likely would become the DC or co DC; therefore, there is a continuity with him being promoted. There is a solid bridge to past FSU attitude and what is expected. There is a better communicator to recruits as to what it means to be a Seminole. And, there is no delay in players learning a new staff and systems, etc.

Hiring a coach who has never been a HC vs one who has many years and won a national title is not even close.

Stoops is the safer hire. It isn't close.

I seriously doubt boosters raised $20 million+ for the school to fire Taggart and offer the head coaching job to someone who has never been more than a position coach. Has he ever shown interest in being a full time head coach? Usually, they'll bounce around getting promoted to coordinators, etc. Otherwise this is basically rehashing the Deion Sanders nonsense.

(11-14-2019 02:05 PM)bronconick Wrote:  I seriously doubt boosters raised $20 million+ for the school to fire Taggart and offer the head coaching job to someone who has never been more than a position coach. Has he ever shown interest in being a full time head coach? Usually, they'll bounce around getting promoted to coordinators, etc. Otherwise this is basically rehashing the Deion Sanders nonsense.

Not until 2 days ago.

I love Odell, all of FSU does. But if FSU followed up Willie with a coach with 0 experience......that is the opposite of safe (not to mention the nightmare of having to fire another legend if it goes south).

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course...

Dabo Swinney, former WR coach, says "Hi!"

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course, and can FSU afford to take that gambe?

If Haggins fails......how do you fire an all time legend at FSU.


There is NOTHING about hiring Haggins that is safe. And if you are writing checks to FSU.....safety is #1.

I see FSU still sleeps at night having fired their last all time legend.

(11-14-2019 04:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course...

Dabo Swinney, former WR coach, says "Hi!"

Different situation. FSU needs someone who can continue the roster and culture rebuild Taggart started. Clemson needed someone to just take the next step that eluded Bowden and someone who wasn’t afraid to fire underperforming coaches unlike Bowden.


I saw mentioned earlier in the thread something about southern recruiting ties. At the HC level that’s so overblown. The hard core recruiting is done by assistants, and if you can recruit in one part of the country you can recruit anywhere. The days of needing an “in” are long gone in the internet age.

(11-14-2019 04:39 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ...Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course...

Dabo Swinney, former WR coach, says "Hi!"

Not the same as safe. You are making a complete different argument.

If you could hire a national title coach at Va Tech or their OL coach....who you hiring? IF Your job is on the line?

(11-14-2019 04:54 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course, and can FSU afford to take that gambe?

If Haggins fails......how do you fire an all time legend at FSU.


There is NOTHING about hiring Haggins that is safe. And if you are writing checks to FSU.....safety is #1.

I see FSU still sleeps at night having fired their last all time legend.

I am fine with the last legend.....but isn't it wise to be careful putting yourself in the situation AGAIN?

Think so.

Find it bizarre folks are arguing hiring a position coach is safer than a proven NC coach.

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Just to be clear, I don't think Haggins would be "not a bad hire." It would be pretty bad. But I could see a path to that falling that way in this particular point in time, in which it never otherwise would.

I mean, I just don't know what happens if you can't get Bob Stoops or Franklin.

Are FSU folks down for Mark Stoops at $6M per year x 5 fully guaranteed? I don't know...going to be a serious gut check.

(11-14-2019 05:34 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Just to be clear, I don't think Haggins would be "not a bad hire." It would be pretty bad. But I could see a path to that falling that way in this particular point in time, in which it never otherwise would.

I mean, I just don't know what happens if you can't get Bob Stoops or Franklin.

Are FSU folks down for Mark Stoops at $6M per year x 5 fully guaranteed? I don't know...going to be a serious gut check.

Understood - I didn't mean to imply that Haggins was a good hire (even if he might be a good coach). I was more focusing on the fact that FSU will have a new AD and President soon - no time to be locked in to a long-term guaranteed contract (unless you are 100% sure - not 90% - that he's your man).