(11-14-2019 01:24 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 01:12 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course, and can FSU afford to take that gambe?

If Haggins fails......how do you fire an all time legend at FSU.


There is NOTHING about hiring Haggins that is safe. And if you are writing checks to FSU.....safety is #1.

The counter is how do you know if the next HC would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? There is no way of knowing that as well. The gamble doesn't go away regardless of whether it is a named hire or not. On paper, hiring Bob Stoops looks like a home run hire; however, is there any certainty that he can replicate his success at OU? It's all a mystery.

I would disagree with the notion that there is nothing safe about promoting him to HC. I think if anyone is a safe hire, Odell would be #1 on that list. Sometimes individuals that are a part of the family tree knows exactly what the program needs. It is safe to say that Briles would continue to be the OC. Leveatt more than likely would become the DC or co DC; therefore, there is a continuity with him being promoted. There is a solid bridge to past FSU attitude and what is expected. There is a better communicator to recruits as to what it means to be a Seminole. And, there is no delay in players learning a new staff and systems, etc.

Hiring a coach who has never been a HC vs one who has many years and won a national title is not even close.

Stoops is the safer hire. It isn't close.

I get it but there is no certainty that hiring Stoops would result in that same success at FSU. I am sure Texas A&M fans were thinking the same thing. HC experience, national championship what could go wrong with that?

As fans we tend to look at things in a vacuum. Coach A should do great because of x, y and z; but we never look to see if the circumstances are the same. That is why there are so many retreads in this sport. I get it. I too believe Stoops would be a home run hire;however, you also have to consider that it just may not. He left OU for a reason. Richt to Miami seemed like a slam dunk; that didn't end that well. It's all good, just thinking out the box.

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

I get tired of hearing that the ACC needs FSU to be FSU

What the ACC needs is some top football schools in the top 25

Miami needs to make some waves, that's why the ACC invited them nearly 20 years ago. Canes need to make a run at the National Title

North Carolina could be something if they were ever consistent

Louisville has the right coach....they are headed in the right direction

Pitt is building something with Narduzzi

The ACC needs schools BESIDES Clemson and FSU to grow. Who is going to step up and be #3? Let's see someone besides FSU or Clemson make a run at a National Championship.

(11-14-2019 06:51 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 01:24 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 01:12 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 12:51 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Agree on Stoops, but... I think Lou is all over the issues with the FSU Pres and AD, and I agree that this isn't the time for FSU to be locking itself into a huge, long-term contract. Haggins is not a bad hire - especially considering the Noles have to get back to 10 or 11 wins first before they can start worrying about another natty...

Here are your issues.

How do you know a guy who has only been a position coach would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? You don't of course, and can FSU afford to take that gambe?

If Haggins fails......how do you fire an all time legend at FSU.


There is NOTHING about hiring Haggins that is safe. And if you are writing checks to FSU.....safety is #1.

The counter is how do you know if the next HC would bring FSU back to 10-11 wins? There is no way of knowing that as well. The gamble doesn't go away regardless of whether it is a named hire or not. On paper, hiring Bob Stoops looks like a home run hire; however, is there any certainty that he can replicate his success at OU? It's all a mystery.

I would disagree with the notion that there is nothing safe about promoting him to HC. I think if anyone is a safe hire, Odell would be #1 on that list. Sometimes individuals that are a part of the family tree knows exactly what the program needs. It is safe to say that Briles would continue to be the OC. Leveatt more than likely would become the DC or co DC; therefore, there is a continuity with him being promoted. There is a solid bridge to past FSU attitude and what is expected. There is a better communicator to recruits as to what it means to be a Seminole. And, there is no delay in players learning a new staff and systems, etc.

Hiring a coach who has never been a HC vs one who has many years and won a national title is not even close.

Stoops is the safer hire. It isn't close.

I get it but there is no certainty that hiring Stoops would result in that same success at FSU. I am sure Texas A&M fans were thinking the same thing. HC experience, national championship what could go wrong with that?

As fans we tend to look at things in a vacuum. Coach A should do great because of x, y and z; but we never look to see if the circumstances are the same. That is why there are so many retreads in this sport. I get it. I too believe Stoops would be a home run hire;however, you also have to consider that it just may not. He left OU for a reason. Richt to Miami seemed like a slam dunk; that didn't end that well. It's all good, just thinking out the box.

100% agree. No such thing as a 100% sure thing in a hire.

(11-14-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

I get tired of hearing that the ACC needs FSU to be FSU

What the ACC needs is some top football schools in the top 25

Miami needs to make some waves, that's why the ACC invited them nearly 20 years ago. Canes need to make a run at the National Title

North Carolina could be something if they were ever consistent

Louisville has the right coach....they are headed in the right direction

Pitt is building something with Narduzzi

The ACC needs schools BESIDES Clemson and FSU to grow. Who is going to step up and be #3? Let's see someone besides FSU or Clemson make a run at a National Championship.

I agree we need other schools to become playoff contenders.


But I understand the belief that the ACC needs FSU to be what it normally is. My biggest issue is the ACC does not take care of it's blue blood football schools like it's blue blood basketball schools.

I'll get ripped to shreds saying that on this board....but it's true.

(11-14-2019 07:59 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

I get tired of hearing that the ACC needs FSU to be FSU

What the ACC needs is some top football schools in the top 25

Miami needs to make some waves, that's why the ACC invited them nearly 20 years ago. Canes need to make a run at the National Title

North Carolina could be something if they were ever consistent

Louisville has the right coach....they are headed in the right direction

Pitt is building something with Narduzzi

The ACC needs schools BESIDES Clemson and FSU to grow. Who is going to step up and be #3? Let's see someone besides FSU or Clemson make a run at a National Championship.

I agree we need other schools to become playoff contenders.


But I understand the belief that the ACC needs FSU to be what it normally is. My biggest issue is the ACC does not take care of it's blue blood football schools like it's blue blood basketball schools.

I'll get ripped to shreds saying that on this board....but it's true.

All I want is the ACC refs to stop calling some BS targeting on FSU for hitting too hard.

If the past 20 years are any indication of the future the only hope of developing a non FSU and/or Clemson contender rests with VT, Louisville, and Wake. None of the rest have shown anywhere near the commitment, including Miami.


In other words......don’t screw up this hire.

(11-14-2019 08:14 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 07:59 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

I get tired of hearing that the ACC needs FSU to be FSU

What the ACC needs is some top football schools in the top 25

Miami needs to make some waves, that's why the ACC invited them nearly 20 years ago. Canes need to make a run at the National Title

North Carolina could be something if they were ever consistent

Louisville has the right coach....they are headed in the right direction

Pitt is building something with Narduzzi

The ACC needs schools BESIDES Clemson and FSU to grow. Who is going to step up and be #3? Let's see someone besides FSU or Clemson make a run at a National Championship.

I agree we need other schools to become playoff contenders.


But I understand the belief that the ACC needs FSU to be what it normally is. My biggest issue is the ACC does not take care of it's blue blood football schools like it's blue blood basketball schools.

I'll get ripped to shreds saying that on this board....but it's true.

All I want is the ACC refs to stop calling some BS targeting on FSU for hitting too hard.

That.

IMHO, the believe that our NFL defensive linemen NEVER get held in the ACC is.....suspicious. TDO did a researched article on it years ago.

But I agree, would much rather see officiating ala SEC.

But if you rely on 1-2 teams in the ACC for revenue....protect those teams like your blue blood bball teams. the Football make 80% of the revenue. Makes sense.

(11-14-2019 08:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If the past 20 years are any indication of the future the only hope of developing a non FSU and/or Clemson contender rests with VT, Louisville, and Wake. None of the rest have shown anywhere near the commitment, including Miami.


In other words......don’t screw up this hire.

lol

....I rip FSU's leadership, but I really think they are trying to get it right.

I think it is a bad time to be without a coach honestly.

I agree with you on VT & Louisville.....but Wake? I respect the HECK out of wake for what they do....but not sure they could ever be a playoff time program.

(11-14-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

I get tired of hearing that the ACC needs FSU to be FSU

What the ACC needs is some top football schools in the top 25

Miami needs to make some waves, that's why the ACC invited them nearly 20 years ago. Canes need to make a run at the National Title

North Carolina could be something if they were ever consistent

Louisville has the right coach....they are headed in the right direction

Pitt is building something with Narduzzi

The ACC needs schools BESIDES Clemson and FSU to grow. Who is going to step up and be #3? Let's see someone besides FSU or Clemson make a run at a National Championship.

Clearly the ACC needs Virginia Tech to win the national championship in football.

(11-14-2019 08:27 PM)nole Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 08:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If the past 20 years are any indication of the future the only hope of developing a non FSU and/or Clemson contender rests with VT, Louisville, and Wake. None of the rest have shown anywhere near the commitment, including Miami.


In other words......don’t screw up this hire.

lol

....I rip FSU's leadership, but I really think they are trying to get it right.

I think it is a bad time to be without a coach honestly.

I agree with you on VT & Louisville.....but Wake? I respect the HECK out of wake for what they do....but not sure they could ever be a playoff time program.

I tend to agree but unlike the rest they are at least trying, which is the most important step. And remember, they are the last team from NC to win the conference.

Really don't know how anyone can point to an ACC football program outside of the so-called "football" schools and not see investment into those programs. I guess it all depends on the definition of "trying". From new coach hiring to facilities investments, there isn't not one program that isn't trying to improve their football program. For Cuse, Pitt, State, UVa, Wake, UNC, Duke and U of L, building to a top 25 program and sustaining and maintaining that status over multiple years will go a very long way. Miami, VaTech, GaTech need to get back to their past historical success.

Again, ACC needs 4 to contend and the middle to be top 25 - top 15 annually.

The stars appear to be coming into full alignment on North Avenue. The New President is an alumni with a fundraising track record. He has an awareness that the GTAA exists which is an instant upgrade over the previous President. If he gives the GTAA a free Hill pass on players so long as they graduate on time over all or come back and graduate after their pro career and do well in the class room while they are in it ... that's the last missing piece. The right AD is there. The right FB HC is there. The right FB support staff is there for the most part. The recruiting returns are very promising. The transfer returns are even more promising. The facilities improvement groundwork and revitalization of the A-T Fund via AI2020 is there, and raised $86m in the first year of fundraising. They're moving their biggest ACC home game to Mercedes Benz to get a cool $10m+ payday and even more importantly get a precise gauge on what the full interest is for luxury seating. The GT Campus master plan hasn't been updated since 1997 aside from ADA and other minor updates in 2004. They are no longer paying Paul Hewitt not to coach. They are no longer paying Brian Gregory not to coach. They're not having to pay Paul Johnson not to coach. It's my understanding that when AI2020 is complete all sports will be fully endowed at GT. That was previously only the case with golf. The books are the healthiest they've been in a long while. The non-revenue hires are leaps and bounds better. The baseball staff has been completely redone shy of Danny Hall himself. And I like to think that perhaps GT has a big coach for the long term in Eric Reveno. If he can develop the recruiting ties needed while Pastner flames out maybe he can take the reins.

So the future looks bright ... it's just that having to come out of the ebb of the GTAA courtesy of Mike Bobinski's unleadership as AD and Bud Peterson's non-caring attitude to the GTAA as President. Along the Bobinski lines, Paul Johnson did an interview with ESPN Middle Georgia and he said, and I quote, "We went backwards for four years and ended up with the 13th lowest revenue in the ACC and a football recruiting staff 1/3 the size of Duke's." He didn't name Bobinski outright but it was unmistakable who he was referring too. Paul Johnson said that Bobinski wanted him fired and refused to spend any money on the program or market its successes. Paul laughed and said "He ended up being the one who went elsewhere."

What does it say about the pool of candidates that are not currently college HCs that FSU hasn't yet pulled the trigger on any of them? Is FSU not interested, or are the coaches not interested?

It’s looking more likely that FSU will remove the interim tag from Odell Haggins the longer this plays out. The fact of the matter is the new HC needs to be named soon because of early signing day to salvage the recruiting class. I’m thinking an announcement will be made before Monday.

(11-15-2019 10:34 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It’s looking more likely that FSU will remove the interim tag from Odell Haggins the longer this plays out. The fact of the matter is the new HC needs to be named soon because of early signing day to salvage the recruiting class. I’m thinking an announcement will be made before Monday.

If FSU beats Florida Coach O will force their hand.

(11-16-2019 02:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2019 10:34 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It’s looking more likely that FSU will remove the interim tag from Odell Haggins the longer this plays out. The fact of the matter is the new HC needs to be named soon because of early signing day to salvage the recruiting class. I’m thinking an announcement will be made before Monday.

If FSU beats Florida Coach O will force their hand.

If Coach Haggins wins out he'd be 5-0 as a head coach with wins over BC and Florida. It would be tough to justify hiring an "up and coming" coach who's unproven at this level if Haggins had a resume like that. I think the decision then would be either keep him or hire someone with a MUCH better resume - but maybe no experience in Tallahassee. That's the rub.

(11-16-2019 06:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 02:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2019 10:34 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It’s looking more likely that FSU will remove the interim tag from Odell Haggins the longer this plays out. The fact of the matter is the new HC needs to be named soon because of early signing day to salvage the recruiting class. I’m thinking an announcement will be made before Monday.

If FSU beats Florida Coach O will force their hand.

If Coach Haggins wins out he'd be 5-0 as a head coach with wins over BC and Florida. It would be tough to justify hiring an "up and coming" coach who's unproven at this level if Haggins had a resume like that. I think the decision then would be either keep him or hire someone with a MUCH better resume - but maybe no experience in Tallahassee. That's the rub.

Do you hire someone that loves and wants to be at your school and genuinely cares about the players, or someone that has a "name" that may or may not translate into success? Couple that with having to fork over $20 Million for a "name" to do nothing because he didn't pan out, and FSU has a real dilemma.
In today's world, it's rare to find loyalty....it should be rewarded.

(11-16-2019 06:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 02:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2019 10:34 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It’s looking more likely that FSU will remove the interim tag from Odell Haggins the longer this plays out. The fact of the matter is the new HC needs to be named soon because of early signing day to salvage the recruiting class. I’m thinking an announcement will be made before Monday.

If FSU beats Florida Coach O will force their hand.

If Coach Haggins wins out he'd be 5-0 as a head coach with wins over BC and Florida. It would be tough to justify hiring an "up and coming" coach who's unproven at this level if Haggins had a resume like that. I think the decision then would be either keep him or hire someone with a MUCH better resume - but maybe no experience in Tallahassee. That's the rub.

The problem with hiring your interim is that 5-0 isn't much of a resume when you consider all the other things that go along with being a head coach at this level. Too often an interim wins when his team rallies around him, and when the emotion subsides 9 months later he is exposed as just a good coordinator.

Unless you would have hired him away from some other school at the end of the season, you probably shouldn't hire him just because of the team's record in the last few games of a disappointing season.

(11-16-2019 09:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 06:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 02:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-15-2019 10:34 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It’s looking more likely that FSU will remove the interim tag from Odell Haggins the longer this plays out. The fact of the matter is the new HC needs to be named soon because of early signing day to salvage the recruiting class. I’m thinking an announcement will be made before Monday.

If FSU beats Florida Coach O will force their hand.

If Coach Haggins wins out he'd be 5-0 as a head coach with wins over BC and Florida. It would be tough to justify hiring an "up and coming" coach who's unproven at this level if Haggins had a resume like that. I think the decision then would be either keep him or hire someone with a MUCH better resume - but maybe no experience in Tallahassee. That's the rub.

The problem with hiring your interim is that 5-0 isn't much of a resume when you consider all the other things that go along with being a head coach at this level. Too often an interim wins when his team rallies around him, and when the emotion subsides 9 months later he is exposed as just a good coordinator.

Unless you would have hired him away from some other school at the end of the season, you probably shouldn't hire him just because of the team's record in the last few games of a disappointing season.

So I guess Clemson should have never hired their wide receivers coach, because he didn't have a chance to succeed.

(11-14-2019 07:41 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 11:44 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:59 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 04:19 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  If FSU does promote Odell Haggins to head coach are they admitting that they won’t be able to attract a
“name” coach?

Yes and no. They've got a lame duck President and AD. The APR is still trash. It's possible that they're in a much better position in a few years.

It's very likely that if you want a guy like Fleck or Cambell, you're going to have to pay him like $5-6M a year and guarantee most of it. I think those guys are promising, but are they that sure-fire? I don't know.

It's also a bit of a weird year in that a lot of the candidates, even at the G5 level, really don't have deep southeast connections, which might be concerning. Guys like Fickell, Harsin, etc. Look at how many guys in last year's new hire class had Southern connections...Satterfield, Collins, etc.

I don't think Haggins is their first or second, or maybe even third choice. But at the same time, if it fell to that, I don't think that necessarily reflects the position they could be in a couple years from now.

All that said, what little rumors are coming out do sound like they're not going to let it come to that.

That’s good to know. The ACC needs Florida State to be Florida State. I was worried when you hired Willie. I want to see y’all hit a home run with this one.

When the Bob Stoops rumors sounded like a done deal a week or two ago, my first thought was The ACC just got better. That’s the kind of coach I hope you get.

I get tired of hearing that the ACC needs FSU to be FSU

What the ACC needs is some top football schools in the top 25

Miami needs to make some waves, that's why the ACC invited them nearly 20 years ago. Canes need to make a run at the National Title

North Carolina could be something if they were ever consistent

Louisville has the right coach....they are headed in the right direction

Pitt is building something with Narduzzi

The ACC needs schools BESIDES Clemson and FSU to grow. Who is going to step up and be #3? Let's see someone besides FSU or Clemson make a run at a National Championship.

I can't believe I'm doing this as a Georgia Dawg fan (you owe me GTS), but it does look like Georgia Tech really does want to start winning big in football again. It's just going to take a lot of time. Tech was doing pretty good for awhile with the option, but I guess that the rest of the ACC didn't like it. So Tech basically scrapped everything from Paul Johnson's tenure, and started over with Geoff Collins who looks like he knows what he is doing. For real, give Tech time. They'll be there.