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(11-08-2019 08:55 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Just out of curiosity as i have not moved in a long time isn't 11,500 quite a bit for a move? Where did they come from?

Nashville to Memphis

It’s long overdue for a complete overhaul of college athletics. Basically need a fairness and equity act in college athletics that covers everything from player compensation, eligibility status, transfer rules, endorsements, post season access, revenue distribution, and conference structure.

End game will be to end the power 5 structure, compensate the players, equal access post season in all sports, and ease the eligibility and transfer rules.

(11-08-2019 08:55 PM)dsquare Wrote:  Just out of curiosity as i have not moved in a long time isn't 11,500 quite a bit for a move? Where did they come from?

That would be quite a bit of money to move a college kid. How much stuff does an 18 year old even have? One room? I don't think I'd hold against someone for the offer to help a kid with a move by covering the rent of a UHaul. However a Uhaul doesn't cost $11.5K...

That's a bold move for a school to play a guy like that. Not sure i'd do it against the team they were playing tonight, but hey it's Memphis.

If I was Wiseman, I would have wanted waaaaaaaaaayyyyy more than that to “move”

I don't know how the rules work - but if he helped the kid before he was the Memphis coach, where is it covered by NCAA infractions? Illicit booster activity? Since it happened on Tubby's watch, does he get dragged into this? Lack of institutional control at the University level?

It seems like Anfernee's excuse would simply be "I was just an AAU coach trying to help a kid out"

(11-08-2019 07:31 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Penny paid $11,500 for him to move in 2017. Then the kid signs with Penny 2 years later. If that isn’t clear cut grounds for ineligibility then no one should be ineligible. Memphis will never learn.

Oh please, Penny Hardaway was a High school basketball coach at the time, not a college BB coach.

Penny helped his family move from Nashville to Memphis after his sophomore year because they all wanted him to play for Penny at East High. Penny was steering Wiseman to Kentucky, but then suddenly Penny got the Memphis job last year after Tubby Smith flopped.

The issue is Penny made a donation to the university way back in 2008 before he was coaching at any level. By NCAA rules that classified him as a booster, but a few years later he got into coaching. Its a technicality that only hurts the NCAA and the player in this unique case. There was obviously no intent at the time to pay the kid to get him to go to the University of Memphis, Penny was not even coaching Memphis and was steering players away because he did not like Tubby.

If you can't see this is a bogus move by the NCAA that is only going to drive elite basketball prospects away then you simply don't want to see it.

There is already a trend of elite HS players skipping college and going overseas. Wiseman is the #1 overall recruit and the projected #1 pick in the draft. This is only going to hurt the NCAA.

$11,500? That is not a lot as it likely included deposits and one years rental prepaid.

Memphis is Memphis and history repeats and repeats.

Bu the time the NCAA fully catches Penny he will have moved on to the Grizzlies.

(11-09-2019 06:52 AM)doss2 Wrote:  $11,500? That is not a lot as it likely included deposits and one years rental prepaid.

Memphis is Memphis and history repeats and repeats.

Bu the time the NCAA fully catches Penny he will have moved on to the Grizzlies.

Moronic comment, he was not even coaching at Memphis when any of this happened.

He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

(11-09-2019 08:00 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

Even a grossly biased Cincy fan should be able to see that is clearly not the case here.

(11-09-2019 08:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:00 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

Even a grossly biased Cincy fan should be able to see that is clearly not the case here.

I agree. The kids recruitment seemed perfectly normal to me and it came down to Memphis and UK. Didn’t seem like Penny did anything wrong while he was actually the Memphis coach.

Although I get that’s not the point. The point is he was a booster and assisted the kid beforehand. If true the last time he gave Memphis money was in like 08’ seems a bit petty to me.

AAU is dirty as it gets. Everyone knows that, but I don’t see anything wrong with assisting a family to move. $11,500 is nothing lol. Do you all forget the wiretap of Arizona to secure Ayton 100K plus 10K a month while at Arizona?

Rules are Rules I guess.

(11-09-2019 08:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:00 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

Even a grossly biased Cincy fan should be able to see that is clearly not the case here.

Hey Eric, Memphis has their own board to go forth and bury your head in the sand.

Isn't it funny how Penny was only this generous, good guy for a 7 foot basketball freak? How many kids did he pay to move in to play for the school's band?

And I'm sure right up to the point they called his name, Penny NEEEEEVER EVER had any conversation with ANYONE at UM about being the basketball coach... especially with Tubby mailing it in at the time.

(11-09-2019 08:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:00 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

Even a grossly biased Cincy fan should be able to see that is clearly not the case here.

Come on man. Who’s being biased here. You guys knew exactly what was going on. It was the only reason you hired Penny to begin with. It certainly wasn’t for his college coaching resume.

And he was no doubt the wealthiest coach on the AAU circuit. He paid the kid to follow him so he could benefit when the time was right. You guys had been talking to Penny about coaching Memphis for years because of it. Hell your board has been bragging about it the moment Pastner fell on his face.

Just be honest. Don’t feign indignation. You wanted to get rich quick. You took the risk.

The timing of it is pretty laughable as i recall Penny and some of his supporters were clamoring for him to get the job well before the change came down. That said, relocating someone's entire family from what the portrayal of it is is also very stinky particularly when they live in state. Something tells me there was more involved than the moving expenses to get there. It will likely come out in the days to come what jobs were involved, housing etc. Clearly they're going to be scrutinizing his AAU contacts going forward so no more "feeder" situations fly under the radar. I doubt they cut Memphis any breaks, particularly after they played him last night.

How does the NCAA not view the hiring of a relative to the coaching staff months prior to a top recruit committing the same?

(11-09-2019 09:10 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:00 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

Even a grossly biased Cincy fan should be able to see that is clearly not the case here.

Hey Eric, Memphis has their own board to go forth and bury your head in the sand.

Isn't it funny how Penny was only this generous, good guy for a 7 foot basketball freak? How many kids did he pay to move in to play for the school's band?

And I'm sure right up to the point they called his name, Penny NEEEEEVER EVER had any conversation with ANYONE at UM about being the basketball coach... especially with Tubby mailing it in at the time.

Actually its well documented that Penny has been this generous with a whole lot of players the last several years, the NCAA only cares about this one because he is a lottery pick. Most of them were not.

But I doubt you are concerned about the fact or justice here.

(11-09-2019 10:34 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 09:10 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:00 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

Even a grossly biased Cincy fan should be able to see that is clearly not the case here.

Hey Eric, Memphis has their own board to go forth and bury your head in the sand.

Isn't it funny how Penny was only this generous, good guy for a 7 foot basketball freak? How many kids did he pay to move in to play for the school's band?

And I'm sure right up to the point they called his name, Penny NEEEEEVER EVER had any conversation with ANYONE at UM about being the basketball coach... especially with Tubby mailing it in at the time.

Actually its well documented that Penny has been this generous with a whole lot of players the last several years, the NCAA only cares about this one because he is a lottery pick. Most of them were not.

But I doubt you are concerned about the fact or justice here.

I'll bet he has !

(11-09-2019 09:31 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-09-2019 08:00 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  He was a major booster and he bribed a kid who went to the school. It’s open & shut.

Even a grossly biased Cincy fan should be able to see that is clearly not the case here.

Come on man. Who’s being biased here. You guys knew exactly what was going on. It was the only reason you hired Penny to begin with. It certainly wasn’t for his college coaching resume.

And he was no doubt the wealthiest coach on the AAU circuit. He paid the kid to follow him so he could benefit when the time was right. You guys had been talking to Penny about coaching Memphis for years because of it. Hell your board has been bragging about it the moment Pastner fell on his face.

Just be honest. Don’t feign indignation. You wanted to get rich quick. You took the risk.

Stop pretending like I have to be dishonest about anything here. Penny gave money to the university back in 2008. James Wiseman was 8 years old.

He helped the family relocate to play High school ball for him after his sophomore year. Penny was not a college coach and had no way of knowing he would be the Memphis coach in 2018.

Its not illegal to coach AAU or High school and them move up to the NCAA's Nor is it illegal to use those connections, ALL coaches and programs do.

There is nothing I have to be dishonest about and nothing I have to feign.

Guys, its quite possible Wisemen ends up playing this year still (he may have to sit out some games), but even if he doesn't Memphis and Hardaway are going to be just fine and going to continue to land big recruits. Other than screwing over Wiseman and hurting the NCAA, this is not going to hurt the program or the coach very much.

Even without Wiseman Memphis is still going to clownstomp most of the AAC this season.

Wiseman getting ruled ineligible really does not help you and hurts the conference and the NCAA long term.