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(11-15-2019 02:08 PM)doss2 Wrote:  There is no double jeopardy in NCAA Regulations. Let him play but UM needs to be punished in some manner such as a loss of scholarships. Also Penny should be subject to a "Show Cause" penalty.

Why should Penny be punished? He asked the NCAA for a ruling on this before Wiseman enrolled to ensure his eligibility and the NCAA granted it. What was he supposed to do, tell the #1 recruit in the country to go elsewhere AFTER the NCAA clears him to play at Memphis? There is not a coach in the universe who would do that.

Its clear there was no intent to recruit Wisemen to Memphis when the money was given. All of Hardaway's players signed with schools other than Memphis before he got the job, and Wisemen was headed to Kentucky.

(11-15-2019 02:13 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-15-2019 01:46 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(11-15-2019 01:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 04:15 PM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  He is a booster. From the very definition, accept this and move on.

I’m over here donating $18.19 and this dude gives a cool million but isn’t a booster lmao

Then why did the NCAA ok all of this and rule him eligible in may?

Obviously there is some question about being a booster in perpetuity forever because of a single donation, no matter the amount.

No one is arguing that you cannot technically call him a booster if you wish, but its obviously not in the spirit and intention of the rule. Penny was NOT an active booster, he gave a one time donation when Wiseman was 7 years old.

There was obviously no intention of Penny becoming a coach when he gave the donation. Its also obvious that Penny was in no way an active booster in the years that followed and Penny did NOT give money to the Wiseman family to recruit him to play for Memphis. In fact its well known Penny was advising his players NOT to go to Memphis and Wiseman was headed to UK before Penny got the job at Memphis.

So yes, you can technically call him a booster, but in this situation its clearly not how the rule was meant to be applied or used.

Bottom line, the idea that a single donation Penny gave when Wiseman was 7 years old should NOT be grounds to strip Wiseman of eligibility in 2019, and anyone with an ounce of integrity and fairness can see that. Particularly in light of the fact that the NCAA already cleared him knowing this.

Punishing the 18 year old kid for this is just WRONG, and any decent person should be able to admit that.

State and fight for what you believe but please quit demeaning people who disagree with your account.

I did not demean anyone here, unless you are saying its your wish for James Wiseman to never play college Basketball again over this.

The player should not be punished by losing all eligibility for this and its just wrong if he is.

Duh you said anyone who doesn't agree is not decent....called me a evil, souless scumbag for stating some facts.

Heck I think a majority of posters here for the sake of the conference want Memphis to be strong this year and therefore hopes Wiseman plays. But Bearcat fans have long memories and remember us being penalized for things far less egregious than the facts here. Wiseman probably will get a 6-9 game suspension far less than how this would have been treated in the past.

Please quit stating that he is being penalized for Penny's donation years ago; he is being questioned because of the $11,500 benefit in 2017. Infractions occurred here; how innocent can be debated but some penalties are coming.

(11-15-2019 02:33 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  Duh you said anyone who doesn't agree is not decent....called me a evil, souless scumbag for stating some facts.

You are twisting things now. I said its evil and soulless to want the kid to be ruled ineligible and never play college BB again.

And those are not "facts" they are opinions.

(11-15-2019 02:33 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  Please quit stating that he is being penalized for Penny's donation years ago; he is being questioned because of the $11,500 benefit in 2017. Infractions occurred here; how innocent can be debated but some penalties are coming.

Maybe you are unaware, but the NCAA could care less about the 11k if not for the donation Penny made when Wiseman was 7 years old.

You take away that single donation and the 11k is meaningless to the NCAA, because it had nothing to do with his college recruitment. Its not an NCAA infraction by itself, you are just factually wrong here.

I really wanted to see Wiseman play but you've done a good job of reminding me how much I hate Memphis.

Like Montezuma’s, Eric is back with a vengeance.

Don’t drink the water...

(11-15-2019 03:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Like Montezuma’s, Eric is back with a vengeance.

Don’t drink the water...

What I can't figure out is why he is trying to convince us? As far as I know, their are no members of the NCAA Infractions Committee posting here.

(11-15-2019 03:34 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(11-15-2019 03:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Like Montezuma’s, Eric is back with a vengeance.

Don’t drink the water...

What I can't figure out is why he is trying to convince us? As far as I know, their are no members of the NCAA Infractions Committee posting here.

He is just being fool thinking we care about him, Memphis, Penny or any of their players. WE DO NOT CARE1

I actually like Memphis. I have very fond memories of beating them 4 times on the way to the final four when I was in college. Their fans at The Pyramid when we won the conf championship that year were very gracious.

Eric, and his repetitive nonsensical postings are making me rethink my position, however. We get it, dude. Penny did nothing wrong. The NCAA cleared Wiseman last Spring. No new information could possibly have been discovered since. Memphis has a crystal clean reputation for never egregiously cheating in the past, so the NCAA should give them the benefit of the doubt here.

No need to keep posting it again, we are convinced.

Watching Penny Hardaway cry like a woman after Terry Nelson held him in check for the 4th time in one year is my favorite basketball memory.

(11-15-2019 08:13 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  I actually like Memphis. I have very fond memories of beating them 4 times on the way to the final four when I was in college. Their fans at The Pyramid when we won the conf championship that year were very gracious.

Eric, and his repetitive nonsensical postings are making me rethink my position, however. We get it, dude. Penny did nothing wrong. The NCAA cleared Wiseman last Spring. No new information could possibly have been discovered since. Memphis has a crystal clean reputation for never egregiously cheating in the past, so the NCAA should give them the benefit of the doubt here.

No need to keep posting it again, we are convinced.

All I did was ask what he did wrong to cause NCAA penalties. Seems like a fair and reasonable question.

The obviously angry trolling responses seem totally uncalled for. Some are clearly mad because there likely wont be any sanctions and Wisemen will likely play this year.

I know if the situation were reversed I would be glad that the bearcats were probably not getting any sanctions and the kid was going to be allowed to play. Just like I hope you guys get the gameday crew in soon. But if you just have to make me into the bad guy for discussing it here, so be it.

If he was smart he would have stayed in Nashville.

Can this thread be moved to Eric's home forum?