(10-15-2019 12:30 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:37 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 10:06 AM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 09:54 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  I am not jealous of a school in Newark, NJ

Seton Hall is in West Orange, which is quite nice and considerably wealthy from what I understand (East Orange is one of the worst places I've ever been, by contrast). They play in Newark and their law school is there too I think.

Newark is actually a great town despite the perception. The best Portuguese food in North America, and one of the best Jewish delis in the New York area.

That being said, **** Seton Hall. I was at Prudential Center last night, it's great for hockey and **** for hoops. The place is dead when Hall plays.

South Orange, but it still sucks.

No, South Orange does not suck. Property taxes in South Orange suck. Seton Hall tuition sucks. But South Orange does not suck.

Sorry, but South Orange sounds like a euphemism for POTUS' nether regions...

USFFan

(10-15-2019 11:12 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:04 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Seton Hall was 9 & 9 in the BE and 20 & 14 overall. Willard lost to Wolford and St Louis.
They make trips to Nebraska to play Creighton and a game in Chicago murder capital of the USA. Seton Hall is in hell for certain Newark. That says it all.

Grand scheme of things, Seton Hall doesn't really have a ton of special history. Traditionally they're lower end of the BE. But we can at least admit they've had some good years lately. Looking at last year, which was a year where they weren't supposed to do much, they beat Kentucky, Maryland, Nova, Marquette twice, Had 7 Q1 wins, and went to the BE championship game.

(I don't think they played Wofford? But that wouldn't have been a bad loss)

More importantly though, why the dig on Chicago? It's got segregated parts of the city that are very poor and high crime, like most cities do... but overall it's a great city! :-)

I think you guys are taking his comments way too hard.

Chicago 465 murders in 2018 and so far 416 as of October 2019 that is the dig on Chicago and its well deserved

Wait, Seton Hall is in NJ? I had no idea, and I live in NJ. LOL

(10-15-2019 07:31 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:12 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:04 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Seton Hall was 9 & 9 in the BE and 20 & 14 overall. Willard lost to Wolford and St Louis.
They make trips to Nebraska to play Creighton and a game in Chicago murder capital of the USA. Seton Hall is in hell for certain Newark. That says it all.

Grand scheme of things, Seton Hall doesn't really have a ton of special history. Traditionally they're lower end of the BE. But we can at least admit they've had some good years lately. Looking at last year, which was a year where they weren't supposed to do much, they beat Kentucky, Maryland, Nova, Marquette twice, Had 7 Q1 wins, and went to the BE championship game.

(I don't think they played Wofford? But that wouldn't have been a bad loss)

More importantly though, why the dig on Chicago? It's got segregated parts of the city that are very poor and high crime, like most cities do... but overall it's a great city! :-)

I think you guys are taking his comments way too hard.

Chicago 465 murders in 2018 and so far 416 as of October 2019 that is the dig on Chicago and its well deserved

Unhunh....context is important. Like say what the rate is per capita in comparison to other large metros over a million in population.

(10-15-2019 07:31 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:12 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:04 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Seton Hall was 9 & 9 in the BE and 20 & 14 overall. Willard lost to Wolford and St Louis.
They make trips to Nebraska to play Creighton and a game in Chicago murder capital of the USA. Seton Hall is in hell for certain Newark. That says it all.

Grand scheme of things, Seton Hall doesn't really have a ton of special history. Traditionally they're lower end of the BE. But we can at least admit they've had some good years lately. Looking at last year, which was a year where they weren't supposed to do much, they beat Kentucky, Maryland, Nova, Marquette twice, Had 7 Q1 wins, and went to the BE championship game.

(I don't think they played Wofford? But that wouldn't have been a bad loss)

More importantly though, why the dig on Chicago? It's got segregated parts of the city that are very poor and high crime, like most cities do... but overall it's a great city! :-)

I think you guys are taking his comments way too hard.

Chicago 465 murders in 2018 and so far 416 as of October 2019 that is the dig on Chicago and its well deserved

I don't follow the point though. Those are raw numbers in a huge city. There are several AAC schools in cities with similar or higher murder rates. Despite this terrible statistic, they're just about all great cities to visit.

(10-15-2019 12:35 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 12:30 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 11:37 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 10:06 AM)The Grape King Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 09:54 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  I am not jealous of a school in Newark, NJ

Seton Hall is in West Orange, which is quite nice and considerably wealthy from what I understand (East Orange is one of the worst places I've ever been, by contrast). They play in Newark and their law school is there too I think.

Newark is actually a great town despite the perception. The best Portuguese food in North America, and one of the best Jewish delis in the New York area.

That being said, **** Seton Hall. I was at Prudential Center last night, it's great for hockey and **** for hoops. The place is dead when Hall plays.

South Orange, but it still sucks.

No, South Orange does not suck. Property taxes in South Orange suck. Seton Hall tuition sucks. But South Orange does not suck.

Sorry, but South Orange sounds like a euphemism for POTUS' nether regions...

USFFan

This one made me literally laugh out loud.

(10-16-2019 08:31 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 07:31 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:12 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:04 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Seton Hall was 9 & 9 in the BE and 20 & 14 overall. Willard lost to Wolford and St Louis.
They make trips to Nebraska to play Creighton and a game in Chicago murder capital of the USA. Seton Hall is in hell for certain Newark. That says it all.

Grand scheme of things, Seton Hall doesn't really have a ton of special history. Traditionally they're lower end of the BE. But we can at least admit they've had some good years lately. Looking at last year, which was a year where they weren't supposed to do much, they beat Kentucky, Maryland, Nova, Marquette twice, Had 7 Q1 wins, and went to the BE championship game.

(I don't think they played Wofford? But that wouldn't have been a bad loss)

More importantly though, why the dig on Chicago? It's got segregated parts of the city that are very poor and high crime, like most cities do... but overall it's a great city! :-)

I think you guys are taking his comments way too hard.

Chicago 465 murders in 2018 and so far 416 as of October 2019 that is the dig on Chicago and its well deserved

I don't follow the point though. Those are raw numbers in a huge city. There are several AAC schools in cities with similar or higher murder rates. Despite this terrible statistic, they're just about all great cities to visit.

Yeah, I was living in New Orleans in the 90s when there were 430 murders in a city of close to 450,000 almost one murder per thousand people.

Apply that rate to Chicago and Chicago would have 2800 murders per year.

None of those facts lessen the horrendous violence, just putting things in perspective.

Let's set up a Big East vs American challenge and see which league is better.

(10-15-2019 07:31 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:12 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:04 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Seton Hall was 9 & 9 in the BE and 20 & 14 overall. Willard lost to Wolford and St Louis.
They make trips to Nebraska to play Creighton and a game in Chicago murder capital of the USA. Seton Hall is in hell for certain Newark. That says it all.

Grand scheme of things, Seton Hall doesn't really have a ton of special history. Traditionally they're lower end of the BE. But we can at least admit they've had some good years lately. Looking at last year, which was a year where they weren't supposed to do much, they beat Kentucky, Maryland, Nova, Marquette twice, Had 7 Q1 wins, and went to the BE championship game.

(I don't think they played Wofford? But that wouldn't have been a bad loss)

More importantly though, why the dig on Chicago? It's got segregated parts of the city that are very poor and high crime, like most cities do... but overall it's a great city! :-)

I think you guys are taking his comments way too hard.

Chicago 465 murders in 2018 and so far 416 as of October 2019 that is the dig on Chicago and its well deserved

There are 24 cities in the US that have a higher murder rate than Chicago. Get your facts straight Bubba.

US Cities Murder Rate

(10-16-2019 09:27 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 07:31 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:12 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:04 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Seton Hall was 9 & 9 in the BE and 20 & 14 overall. Willard lost to Wolford and St Louis.
They make trips to Nebraska to play Creighton and a game in Chicago murder capital of the USA. Seton Hall is in hell for certain Newark. That says it all.

Grand scheme of things, Seton Hall doesn't really have a ton of special history. Traditionally they're lower end of the BE. But we can at least admit they've had some good years lately. Looking at last year, which was a year where they weren't supposed to do much, they beat Kentucky, Maryland, Nova, Marquette twice, Had 7 Q1 wins, and went to the BE championship game.

(I don't think they played Wofford? But that wouldn't have been a bad loss)

More importantly though, why the dig on Chicago? It's got segregated parts of the city that are very poor and high crime, like most cities do... but overall it's a great city! :-)

I think you guys are taking his comments way too hard.

Chicago 465 murders in 2018 and so far 416 as of October 2019 that is the dig on Chicago and its well deserved

There are 24 cities in the US that have a higher murder rate than Chicago. Get your facts straight Bubba.

US Cities Murder Rate

That link is from Nov 13, 2017

(10-15-2019 11:47 AM)Pitt Co Pirates Wrote:  Willard's line of thinking is why the Big East is the Big East today. An insignificant conference that once was a BCS conference, due to incompetent leadership out of touch with the constant changing landscape of college athletics. They were left behind!!!!

They aren't left behind in hoops. It's the one thing they care about and they have a few schools that SERIOUSLY deliver.

(10-11-2019 08:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard on UConn’s return to the Big East: “I can’t tell recruits now, ‘You know what it’s like to play at Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa and those places?’ That doesn’t work anymore”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college...879877002/

Seton Hall? Yeah they are a national power. Nobody outside of NY even knows that school exists or where it is.

Suck it Willard. The Hall has never won squat.

(10-16-2019 07:03 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 08:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard on UConn’s return to the Big East: “I can’t tell recruits now, ‘You know what it’s like to play at Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa and those places?’ That doesn’t work anymore”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college...879877002/

Seton Hall? Yeah they are a national power. Nobody outside of NY even knows that school exists or where it is.

Suck it Willard. The Hall has never won squat.

It's not even in New York...

Come on now. Seton Hall are a decent midtable school that is in NJ. Let's not all act like they've spent 12 seasons in the Summit or Big West.

Seton Hall played in the national championship game in 1989. It is a Top 100 program of all time by most metrics.

And the current Big East is stronger in more categories (more Final Fours, better annual attendance, more NBA players produced, etc.) than the American overall. I realize that's easy for me to say since I follow two schools in the BE and two in the AAC, but it's the reality.

The American in hoops continues to improve and it's encouraging. But let's keep this in perspective.

(10-16-2019 07:11 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-16-2019 07:03 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(10-11-2019 08:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  Seton Hall coach Kevin Willard on UConn’s return to the Big East: “I can’t tell recruits now, ‘You know what it’s like to play at Tulane, East Carolina, Tulsa and those places?’ That doesn’t work anymore”

https://www.app.com/story/sports/college...879877002/

Seton Hall? Yeah they are a national power. Nobody outside of NY even knows that school exists or where it is.

Suck it Willard. The Hall has never won squat.

It's not even in New York...

My point is made. No one cares or knows where it is. Much less Kevin Willard- a nobody at a nobody school

(10-16-2019 07:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Seton Hall played in the national championship game in 1989. It is a Top 100 program of all time by most metrics.

And the current Big East is stronger in more categories (more Final Fours, better annual attendance, more NBA players produced, etc.) than the American overall. I realize that's easy for me to say since I follow two schools in the BE and two in the AAC, but it's the reality.

The American in hoops continues to improve and it's encouraging. But let's keep this in perspective.

1 good year doesnt make a program..

top 100 is a low bar as there are less than 100 power programs .... they been playing basketball since the inception on the tournament had have 4 sweet 16s total....there are definitely more than 100 teams included

ad your totals is meaningless, this is the 1st time a big portion of our conference is playing a multibid league and have those recruiting advantages and tv eyes.. a few of our programs are relatively new (compared to the age of most colleges) ...off course youd have a totals advantage

2-10 of the big east and 1-10 of the aac has been borderline identical..villonova is the sole difference and 2 anchor programs on our end

(10-16-2019 05:25 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(10-16-2019 09:27 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 07:31 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 11:12 AM)MU in MKE Wrote:  

(10-15-2019 09:04 AM)kyucat Wrote:  Seton Hall was 9 & 9 in the BE and 20 & 14 overall. Willard lost to Wolford and St Louis.
They make trips to Nebraska to play Creighton and a game in Chicago murder capital of the USA. Seton Hall is in hell for certain Newark. That says it all.

Grand scheme of things, Seton Hall doesn't really have a ton of special history. Traditionally they're lower end of the BE. But we can at least admit they've had some good years lately. Looking at last year, which was a year where they weren't supposed to do much, they beat Kentucky, Maryland, Nova, Marquette twice, Had 7 Q1 wins, and went to the BE championship game.

(I don't think they played Wofford? But that wouldn't have been a bad loss)

More importantly though, why the dig on Chicago? It's got segregated parts of the city that are very poor and high crime, like most cities do... but overall it's a great city! :-)

I think you guys are taking his comments way too hard.

Chicago 465 murders in 2018 and so far 416 as of October 2019 that is the dig on Chicago and its well deserved

There are 24 cities in the US that have a higher murder rate than Chicago. Get your facts straight Bubba.

US Cities Murder Rate

That link is from Nov 13, 2017

Chicago had 530 murders in 2018. Bottom line is all these murders are happening within 1 to 2 square miles of the south side of Chicago over drugs. It's the same kind of war that happens in every city in America. The city is less than 1/3rd the population of the metro area. Stay out of that 2 square miles and you'd never know there was a problem.

There are four cities in the American that are worse than Chicago. Quit watching fake news.

Just so you understand, St. Louis has more than three times the murder rate of Chicago. Think about that. Also, think about all the cities on that list that are from the south.

(10-16-2019 09:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-16-2019 07:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Seton Hall played in the national championship game in 1989. It is a Top 100 program of all time by most metrics.

And the current Big East is stronger in more categories (more Final Fours, better annual attendance, more NBA players produced, etc.) than the American overall. I realize that's easy for me to say since I follow two schools in the BE and two in the AAC, but it's the reality.

The American in hoops continues to improve and it's encouraging. But let's keep this in perspective.

1 good year doesnt make a program..

top 100 is a low bar as there are less than 100 power programs .... they been playing basketball since the inception on the tournament had have 4 sweet 16s total....there are definitely more than 100 teams included

ad your totals is meaningless, this is the 1st time a big portion of our conference is playing a multibid league and have those recruiting advantages and tv eyes.. a few of our programs are relatively new (compared to the age of most colleges) ...off course youd have a totals advantage

2-10 of the big east and 1-10 of the aac has been borderline identical..villonova is the sole difference and 2 anchor programs on our end

To your point, 1 good year doesn't make a conference.

But I'm not sure where your comparison on teams is coming from though. Last year is the only year we can say AAC has been borderline on par with BE. I'm not sure what metrics you want to go by, but say we use Kenpom. BE since the split usually has 5-6 in top 50 and 9 (sometimes all 10) in top 100. AAC since split will usually put up 2 or 3 top 50 and 5-6 top 100. Keeping in mind, that's raw numbers and not percent of programs and doesn't give BE teams any "easy" wins in conference play.

Last year was a good year though for AAC and with it being a down year for BE, it looked surprisingly even (I didn't realize how close it really was). Hopefully the growth continues with Memphis stepping up their recruiting game with Penny.

This is all too much aac vs BE talk though, which is silly. This is really just people taking a joke too seriously and ragging on Seton Hall (even fans of a certain directional school ;-) ). Seton Hall has a very good run w/ tournament bids since the split and Kenpom average has them nearly top 50 program. They're alright, and so is the aac. Let's focus on the over rating of the B10 instead. :-D

(10-16-2019 07:36 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Seton Hall played in the national championship game in 1989. It is a Top 100 program of all time by most metrics.

And the current Big East is stronger in more categories (more Final Fours, better annual attendance, more NBA players produced, etc.) than the American overall. I realize that's easy for me to say since I follow two schools in the BE and two in the AAC, but it's the reality.

The American in hoops continues to improve and it's encouraging. But let's keep this in perspective.

Indiana St., Utah and your boys Butler have also played in National Championship games.

They, like Seton Hall, won't be back.