(09-29-2019 11:48 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 09:23 AM)TripleA Wrote:  What's funny to me is that as the season started, nobody was really calling this a rebuilding year for Houston.

but no one thought we would be good..... we were projected 7/8 win season before the year..

the way things are looking 6/7 wins isnt impossible, if make a bowl, in a conference where we have no bowl order...this season was an absolute win ..we technically arent even out of the west race yet

the beauty of this whole thing is not just getting seniors back for next season...its that the underclass have to step up this year ..we were originially supposed to be replacing 4 oline next season...with the senior that didnt play yesterday and the underclassman that played yesterday..4 of the 5 Oline next year will have 7+ starts

Maybe, but 7 or 8 wins is not a rebuilding year. It's a less than hoped for year. And if you make a bowl, it's still not a rebuilding year, lol.

Btw, you now have played 5 games. Where is the list of these 35 or so players who are now redshirting to reappear next year?

You can't redshirt anybody who has played in all 5 games now. My guess is that number is way overblown, or else most of the ones redshirting aren't the best players, anyway.

The whole thing is overblown. Until we know for sure who drove the decision, it really cant be properly discussed and analyzed. For instance---was it a preplanned strategy or a reaction to King threatening to transfer? Regardless, the 35 number sounds high to me as well. Thats exactly one third of a 105 man roster. That said, I suppose its possible if you are really careful with how you manage reserve players who are on the bubble of being contributors---but my gut feeling is it wont be that high. I bet its well under 30. Maybe 25-27...perhaps less.

I'm just curious when all these extra redshirts are going to be announced. You have already played 5 games, so anybody who played in all 5 can't do it.

(09-29-2019 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 11:48 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 09:23 AM)TripleA Wrote:  What's funny to me is that as the season started, nobody was really calling this a rebuilding year for Houston.

but no one thought we would be good..... we were projected 7/8 win season before the year..

the way things are looking 6/7 wins isnt impossible, if make a bowl, in a conference where we have no bowl order...this season was an absolute win ..we technically arent even out of the west race yet

the beauty of this whole thing is not just getting seniors back for next season...its that the underclass have to step up this year ..we were originially supposed to be replacing 4 oline next season...with the senior that didnt play yesterday and the underclassman that played yesterday..4 of the 5 Oline next year will have 7+ starts

Maybe, but 7 or 8 wins is not a rebuilding year. It's a less than hoped for year. And if you make a bowl, it's still not a rebuilding year, lol.

Btw, you now have played 5 games. Where is the list of these 35 or so players who are now redshirting to reappear next year?

You can't redshirt anybody who has played in all 5 games now. My guess is that number is way overblown, or else most of the ones redshirting aren't the best players, anyway.

The whole thing is overblown. Until we know for sure who drove the decision, it really cant be properly discussed and analyzed. For instance---was it a preplanned strategy or a reaction to King threatening to transfer? Regardless, the 35 number sounds high to me as well. Thats exactly one third of a 105 man roster. That said, I suppose its possible if you are really careful with how you manage reserve players who are on the bubble of being contributors---but my gut feeling is it wont be that high. I bet its well under 30. Maybe 25-27...perhaps less.

I'm just curious when all these extra redshirts are going to be announced. You have already played 5 games, so anybody who played in all 5 can't do it.

They wont be announcing anything. Schools dont typically have press conferences to announce red shirts. King was so high profile---I guess they felt they needed to address that situation. The rule is still pretty new, but in most cases, the staff tries to target players for a red shirt with a goal of keeping them at or under 4 game appearances in a season. However, circumstances sometimes cause the staff to be forced to place a planned red shirt into service in more than 4 games. We wont know how many are red shirted until the entire season is complete. We know a number of guys are already not eligible by just looking at the participation charts.

(09-29-2019 08:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 11:48 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  but no one thought we would be good..... we were projected 7/8 win season before the year..

the way things are looking 6/7 wins isnt impossible, if make a bowl, in a conference where we have no bowl order...this season was an absolute win ..we technically arent even out of the west race yet

the beauty of this whole thing is not just getting seniors back for next season...its that the underclass have to step up this year ..we were originially supposed to be replacing 4 oline next season...with the senior that didnt play yesterday and the underclassman that played yesterday..4 of the 5 Oline next year will have 7+ starts

Maybe, but 7 or 8 wins is not a rebuilding year. It's a less than hoped for year. And if you make a bowl, it's still not a rebuilding year, lol.

Btw, you now have played 5 games. Where is the list of these 35 or so players who are now redshirting to reappear next year?

You can't redshirt anybody who has played in all 5 games now. My guess is that number is way overblown, or else most of the ones redshirting aren't the best players, anyway.

The whole thing is overblown. Until we know for sure who drove the decision, it really cant be properly discussed and analyzed. For instance---was it a preplanned strategy or a reaction to King threatening to transfer? Regardless, the 35 number sounds high to me as well. Thats exactly one third of a 105 man roster. That said, I suppose its possible if you are really careful with how you manage reserve players who are on the bubble of being contributors---but my gut feeling is it wont be that high. I bet its well under 30. Maybe 25-27...perhaps less.

I'm just curious when all these extra redshirts are going to be announced. You have already played 5 games, so anybody who played in all 5 can't do it.

They wont be announcing anything. Schools dont typically have press conferences to announce red shirts. King was so high profile---I guess they felt they needed to address that situation. The rule is still pretty new, but in most cases, the staff tries to target players for a red shirt with a goal of keeping them at or under 4 game appearances in a season. However, circumstances sometimes cause the staff to be forced to place a planned red shirt into service in more than 4 games. We wont know how many are red shirted until the entire season is complete.

It's not that hard, lol. You just look at who played in each game, and if it's more than 4, they can't redshirt. Unless they suddenly undertook some formal program to redshirt a craplot of players, it's going to be hard to get that many. Unless they were just the bottom of the barrel, anyway.

I'm just interested in those like King and Corbin who would have played, but are not now. There is no way in hell that number will come close to 35, I bet. The rest are just ones that would have done it, anyway.

My point is, I have serious doubts that Dana held a meeting and talked 35 guys who otherwise would have played serious minutes to now sit out after 4 games. I call BS until proven otherwise.

(09-29-2019 08:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 11:48 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 10:41 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Maybe, but 7 or 8 wins is not a rebuilding year. It's a less than hoped for year. And if you make a bowl, it's still not a rebuilding year, lol.

Btw, you now have played 5 games. Where is the list of these 35 or so players who are now redshirting to reappear next year?

You can't redshirt anybody who has played in all 5 games now. My guess is that number is way overblown, or else most of the ones redshirting aren't the best players, anyway.

The whole thing is overblown. Until we know for sure who drove the decision, it really cant be properly discussed and analyzed. For instance---was it a preplanned strategy or a reaction to King threatening to transfer? Regardless, the 35 number sounds high to me as well. Thats exactly one third of a 105 man roster. That said, I suppose its possible if you are really careful with how you manage reserve players who are on the bubble of being contributors---but my gut feeling is it wont be that high. I bet its well under 30. Maybe 25-27...perhaps less.

I'm just curious when all these extra redshirts are going to be announced. You have already played 5 games, so anybody who played in all 5 can't do it.

They wont be announcing anything. Schools dont typically have press conferences to announce red shirts. King was so high profile---I guess they felt they needed to address that situation. The rule is still pretty new, but in most cases, the staff tries to target players for a red shirt with a goal of keeping them at or under 4 game appearances in a season. However, circumstances sometimes cause the staff to be forced to place a planned red shirt into service in more than 4 games. We wont know how many are red shirted until the entire season is complete.

It's not that hard, lol. You just look at who played in each game, and if it's more than 4, they can't redshirt. Unless they suddenly undertook some formal program to redshirt a craplot of players, it's going to be hard to get that many. Unless they were just the bottom of the barrel, anyway.

I'm just interested in those like King and Corbin who would have played, but are not now. There is no way in hell that number will come close to 35, I bet. The rest are just ones that would have done it, anyway.

My point is, I have serious doubts that Dana held a meeting and talked 35 guys who otherwise would have played serious minutes to now sit out after 4 games. I call BS until proven otherwise.

no one ever said that... it was we have 35 total..there are 44 in a 2 deep..that would be redshirting literally everyone
im almost certain it was we are red shirting 35 total players, and im certain he was counting sitting out transfer

the players he pulled to the side that number is somewhere between 4 and 7.. including the preseason maybe 10-ish

(09-29-2019 08:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 11:48 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The whole thing is overblown. Until we know for sure who drove the decision, it really cant be properly discussed and analyzed. For instance---was it a preplanned strategy or a reaction to King threatening to transfer? Regardless, the 35 number sounds high to me as well. Thats exactly one third of a 105 man roster. That said, I suppose its possible if you are really careful with how you manage reserve players who are on the bubble of being contributors---but my gut feeling is it wont be that high. I bet its well under 30. Maybe 25-27...perhaps less.

I'm just curious when all these extra redshirts are going to be announced. You have already played 5 games, so anybody who played in all 5 can't do it.

They wont be announcing anything. Schools dont typically have press conferences to announce red shirts. King was so high profile---I guess they felt they needed to address that situation. The rule is still pretty new, but in most cases, the staff tries to target players for a red shirt with a goal of keeping them at or under 4 game appearances in a season. However, circumstances sometimes cause the staff to be forced to place a planned red shirt into service in more than 4 games. We wont know how many are red shirted until the entire season is complete.

It's not that hard, lol. You just look at who played in each game, and if it's more than 4, they can't redshirt. Unless they suddenly undertook some formal program to redshirt a craplot of players, it's going to be hard to get that many. Unless they were just the bottom of the barrel, anyway.

I'm just interested in those like King and Corbin who would have played, but are not now. There is no way in hell that number will come close to 35, I bet. The rest are just ones that would have done it, anyway.

My point is, I have serious doubts that Dana held a meeting and talked 35 guys who otherwise would have played serious minutes to now sit out after 4 games. I call BS until proven otherwise.

no one ever said that... it was we have 35 total..there are 44 in a 2 deep..that would be redshirting literally everyone
im almost certain it was we are red shirting 35 total players, and im certain he was counting sitting out transfer

the players he pulled to the side that number is somewhere between 4 and 7.. including the preseason maybe 10-ish

35 total. That's what you said. That's what I'm talking about. How many of those are in the 2 deep that would otherwise be playing? Right now I'm aware of TWO.

If it's somewhere close to that number, then this major sweeping change that's supposed to be some brilliant strategy, and some giant tank job for this season, is just total BS. Which was my point.

(09-29-2019 11:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm just curious when all these extra redshirts are going to be announced. You have already played 5 games, so anybody who played in all 5 can't do it.

They wont be announcing anything. Schools dont typically have press conferences to announce red shirts. King was so high profile---I guess they felt they needed to address that situation. The rule is still pretty new, but in most cases, the staff tries to target players for a red shirt with a goal of keeping them at or under 4 game appearances in a season. However, circumstances sometimes cause the staff to be forced to place a planned red shirt into service in more than 4 games. We wont know how many are red shirted until the entire season is complete.

It's not that hard, lol. You just look at who played in each game, and if it's more than 4, they can't redshirt. Unless they suddenly undertook some formal program to redshirt a craplot of players, it's going to be hard to get that many. Unless they were just the bottom of the barrel, anyway.

I'm just interested in those like King and Corbin who would have played, but are not now. There is no way in hell that number will come close to 35, I bet. The rest are just ones that would have done it, anyway.

My point is, I have serious doubts that Dana held a meeting and talked 35 guys who otherwise would have played serious minutes to now sit out after 4 games. I call BS until proven otherwise.

no one ever said that... it was we have 35 total..there are 44 in a 2 deep..that would be redshirting literally everyone
im almost certain it was we are red shirting 35 total players, and im certain he was counting sitting out transfer

the players he pulled to the side that number is somewhere between 4 and 7.. including the preseason maybe 10-ish

35 total. That's what you said. That's what I'm talking about. How many of those are in the 2 deep that would otherwise be playing? Right now I'm aware of TWO.

If it's somewhere close to that number, then this major sweeping change that's supposed to be some brilliant strategy, and some giant tank job for this season, is just total BS. Which was my point.

posted like a couple times already...
--mulbah car, was the best RB vs oklahoma (7yds a carry that game)...he didnt play the next week, dana was asked about it, he said he thinks all 3 RB are starter quality... didn want to waste him on deep RB team that he wanted to redshirt mulbah

-- i noted multiple oline are being redshirted...most noted starting OLine braylon jones ..in just the last page i was talking about having only 1 returning starting oline, but with the players red-shirting and the undercalssman playing in their place, we now have 4 starting Oline returning

-- starting WR courtney lark could redshirt -- but thats undecided... only played 3 games so fat

-- 4* grad transfer Cb collin samuel hasnt played a game bcus of injury, dana said 3 games ago, that if he wasnt cleared soon, theyd just medical red-shirt him

-- noted before there are about 4-5 players that were in the 2 deep last year that are seniors this year but havent played at all, that we arent sure what is happening who could be redhsirting (like Bo Alexander TE, Darius gilbert S, etc..)


also just to clarify, dana genius plan isnt to tank, we fully intend to win this year .the genius plan is to win even more next year .
seniors comeback next year..underclass have a full year of experience, and we have a ton of monster players sitting out on transfer rules

Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

(09-29-2019 11:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 11:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-29-2019 08:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

.the genius plan is to win even more next year .

That is a genius plan. Gonna revolutionize the sport.

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Memphis has a poster exactly like that one, who rationalizes even the most ridiculous things into something they aren't and never could be, and who always believes they're right in the face of overwhelming evidence. Pink Floyd wrote a song about people like this.

"The lunatic is on the grass..."

Wait, UH fans don't really think King is playing for UH next year, right?

(09-30-2019 09:24 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Memphis has a poster exactly like that one, who rationalizes even the most ridiculous things into something they aren't and never could be, and who always believes they're right in the face of overwhelming evidence. Pink Floyd wrote a song about people like this.

"The lunatic is on the grass..."

here the weird thing to me...yall are the ones trying saying the most ridiculous things,,

this isnt something that houston fans alone think is good and everyone else thinks is bad, legitimately every single media outlet understands the decision...

mcmurphy went on cbs sports and called it genius...david pollock said this is the new wave of college football, and if he comes back to houston this will be great for them

the only criticizing ive seen on national tv is feeling bad for the redshirt seniors ...and that was on the premise that were were going to lose to unt and the rest of the year

everyone with common sense sees the rational behind this ...except 6 poster on csnbbs

(09-29-2019 04:35 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm just curious when all these extra redshirts are going to be announced. You have already played 5 games, so anybody who played in all 5 can't do it.

This is everyone still eligible (or already committed to) redshirt through this past Saturday.

Credit: Pulled from Coogfans

Transfers Sitting Out 2019 Season
LB Eyabi Anoma, Alabama, 3 years eligibility remaining
WR Bryson Jackson, TCU, 3 years eligibility remaining
CB Marcus Jones, Troy, 2 years eligibility remaining
S Hasaan Hypolite, Colorado, 3 years eligibility remaining
CB Kelvin Clemmons, Minnesota, 2 years eligibility remaining
S Thabo Mwaniki, Oklahoma State, 2 years eligibility remaining

Upperclassmen Confirmed to be Redshirting
QB D’Eriq King
WR Keith Corbin
LB Elijah Gooden (season-ending surgery)
OL Braylon Jones (season-ending surgery)

Potential Upperclassmen Redshirt Candidates
QB Clayton Tune ( 1 game played, North Texas)
CB Collin Samuel
LB Zamar Kirven (3 games played, Washington State/Tulane/North Texas)
LB Willie Smith III
RB Mulbah Car (2 games played, Oklahoma/Tulane)
DL Taures Payne ( 2 games played, Prairie View/Washington State)
OL Dennis Bardwell (4 games played, Prairie View/Washington State/Tulane/North Texas)

True Freshman
QB Logan Holgorsen (2 games played, Prairie View/North Texas)
WR Ke’Andre Street
S Ronald Nunnery
CB Deondre Dansby
RB Terrell Brown
OL Cam’Ron Johnson
OL Patrick Paul
OL Chayse Todd
DL Nelson Caeser

(09-30-2019 10:13 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 09:24 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Memphis has a poster exactly like that one, who rationalizes even the most ridiculous things into something they aren't and never could be, and who always believes they're right in the face of overwhelming evidence. Pink Floyd wrote a song about people like this.

"The lunatic is on the grass..."

here the wierd thing to me...yall are theone trying saying the most ridiculous things,,

this isnt something that houston fans alone think is good and everyone thinks is bad, legtimatel every single media outlet understands the decision...

mcmurphy went on cbs sports and called it genius...david pollock said this is the wave of college football, and if he comes back to houston this wil be great fo them

the only criticizibg ive seen on national tv is feeling bad for the redshirt seniors ...and that was on the premise that were were going to lose to unt and the rest of the year

even one with common sense sees the ratioanl behind this ...except 6 poster on csnbbs

I like a lot of your posts P but I really think you're lost in the woods on this one.

(09-30-2019 01:06 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 10:13 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 09:24 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Memphis has a poster exactly like that one, who rationalizes even the most ridiculous things into something they aren't and never could be, and who always believes they're right in the face of overwhelming evidence. Pink Floyd wrote a song about people like this.

"The lunatic is on the grass..."

here the wierd thing to me...yall are theone trying saying the most ridiculous things,,

this isnt something that houston fans alone think is good and everyone thinks is bad, legtimatel every single media outlet understands the decision...

mcmurphy went on cbs sports and called it genius...david pollock said this is the wave of college football, and if he comes back to houston this wil be great fo them

the only criticizibg ive seen on national tv is feeling bad for the redshirt seniors ...and that was on the premise that were were going to lose to unt and the rest of the year

even one with common sense sees the ratioanl behind this ...except 6 poster on csnbbs

I like a lot of your posts P but I really think you're lost in the woods on this one.

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Patently untrue. I can think of twice in the last 5 years without even leaving my team. O'Korn was replaced by Greg Ward in 2014 after the 5th game of the season. Kyle Allen, a current NFL QB, was replaced as the starter in the 4th game of the year by King during the 2017 season. We didnt have the 4-game redshirt rule back then, but in both those cases the starting QB was replaced and the team performed better. Both were established talents---and O'Korn was the starter from the prior year. Allen had started nearly a season's worth of games in the SEC. King is a great QB---but anyone could see he wasnt the same King from 2018. Maybe its the new system. Maybe its lingering affects from the injury layoff. Maybe its because he isnt happy. Whatever it is--he hasnt been the same guy.

(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Patently untrue. I can think of twice in the last 5 years without even leaving my team. O'Korn was replaced by Greg Ward in 2014 after the 5th game of the season. Kyle Allen, a current NFL QB, was replaced as the starter in the 4th game of the year by King during the 2017 season. We didnt have the 4-game redshirt rule back then, but in both those cases the starting QB was replaced and the team performed better. Both were established talents---and O'Korn was the starter from the prior year. Allen had started nearly a season's worth of games in the SEC. King is a great QB---but anyone could see he wasnt the same King from 2018. Maybe its the new system. Maybe its lingering affects from the injury layoff. Maybe its because he isnt happy. Whatever it is--he hasnt been the same guy.

Come on, do you seriously think Tune is better than King? If so, then why didn't Tune start the season instead of King, lol?

Your chances of winning this season got worse when King sat. The majority of unbiased observers would say that every time. You can always find exceptions to the rule, but those are exceptions.

(09-30-2019 03:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Patently untrue. I can think of twice in the last 5 years without even leaving my team. O'Korn was replaced by Greg Ward in 2014 after the 5th game of the season. Kyle Allen, a current NFL QB, was replaced as the starter in the 4th game of the year by King during the 2017 season. We didnt have the 4-game redshirt rule back then, but in both those cases the starting QB was replaced and the team performed better. Both were established talents---and O'Korn was the starter from the prior year. Allen had started nearly a season's worth of games in the SEC. King is a great QB---but anyone could see he wasnt the same King from 2018. Maybe its the new system. Maybe its lingering affects from the injury layoff. Maybe its because he isnt happy. Whatever it is--he hasnt been the same guy.

Come on, do you seriously think Tune is better than King? If so, then why didn't Tune start the season instead of King, lol?

Your chances of winning this season got worse when King sat. The majority of unbiased observers would say that every time. You can always find exceptions to the rule, but those are exceptions.

Why did king start the season? I don’t know. Why did Allen and O’Korn start the season in 2014 and 2017? Last year King completed passs at a 64% clip. This year, his first half completion rate is 61%. Not massively different from last year. In the second half, his completion percentage plummets to 43%. So, can Tune do better? Maybe so.

(09-30-2019 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 03:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Patently untrue. I can think of twice in the last 5 years without even leaving my team. O'Korn was replaced by Greg Ward in 2014 after the 5th game of the season. Kyle Allen, a current NFL QB, was replaced as the starter in the 4th game of the year by King during the 2017 season. We didnt have the 4-game redshirt rule back then, but in both those cases the starting QB was replaced and the team performed better. Both were established talents---and O'Korn was the starter from the prior year. Allen had started nearly a season's worth of games in the SEC. King is a great QB---but anyone could see he wasnt the same King from 2018. Maybe its the new system. Maybe its lingering affects from the injury layoff. Maybe its because he isnt happy. Whatever it is--he hasnt been the same guy.

Come on, do you seriously think Tune is better than King? If so, then why didn't Tune start the season instead of King, lol?

Your chances of winning this season got worse when King sat. The majority of unbiased observers would say that every time. You can always find exceptions to the rule, but those are exceptions.

Why did king start the season? I don’t know. Why did Allen and O’Korn start the season in 2014 and 2017? Last year King completed passs at a 64% clip. This year, his first half completion rate is 61%. Not massively different from last year. In the second half, his completion percentage plummets to 43%. So, can Tune do better? Maybe so.

between calling 3wins before we had redshirts and now calling tune maybe being better than king is unlike you.....

that is normally the road of someone the fanatics take and overreact to small situations ....
you cant objectively look at the unt game and say tune is even remotely kng level, even with kings struggles this year...

our Oline dominated UNT, which is what i took out of that game, was that our backup OLine are just as good...which is a great sign

if we are talking senior tune vs senior king, that might be a debate...but not right now

(09-30-2019 06:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 03:24 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 02:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Patently untrue. I can think of twice in the last 5 years without even leaving my team. O'Korn was replaced by Greg Ward in 2014 after the 5th game of the season. Kyle Allen, a current NFL QB, was replaced as the starter in the 4th game of the year by King during the 2017 season. We didnt have the 4-game redshirt rule back then, but in both those cases the starting QB was replaced and the team performed better. Both were established talents---and O'Korn was the starter from the prior year. Allen had started nearly a season's worth of games in the SEC. King is a great QB---but anyone could see he wasnt the same King from 2018. Maybe its the new system. Maybe its lingering affects from the injury layoff. Maybe its because he isnt happy. Whatever it is--he hasnt been the same guy.

Come on, do you seriously think Tune is better than King? If so, then why didn't Tune start the season instead of King, lol?

Your chances of winning this season got worse when King sat. The majority of unbiased observers would say that every time. You can always find exceptions to the rule, but those are exceptions.

Why did king start the season? I don’t know. Why did Allen and O’Korn start the season in 2014 and 2017? Last year King completed passs at a 64% clip. This year, his first half completion rate is 61%. Not massively different from last year. In the second half, his completion percentage plummets to 43%. So, can Tune do better? Maybe so.

between calling 3wins before we had redshirts and now calling tune maybe being better than king is unlike you.....

that is normally the road of someone the fanatics take and overreact to small situations ....
you cant objectively look at the unt game and say tune is even remotely kng level, even with kings struggles this year...

our Oline dominated UNT, which is what i took out of that game, was that our backup OLine are just as good...which is a great sign

if we are talking senior tune vs senior king, that might be a debate...but not right now

When dd I say Tune was better? Tune is obviously not the freakish athlete that King is. What I said is Tune MAYBE could do better than 2019 King. I dont know yet.

Since King is done for the year----That means King finished 2019 with a 53% completion rate. In his last game vs Tulane, his completion percentage was 48%. Tune is 16 of 20 for 80%. Thats almost double Kings completion percentage vs Tulane. You dont have to be a freakish athlete to be successful in Dana's offense. You just need to make good reads and be accurate.

Its a long season, but yeah---Its POSSIBLE Tune will play well enough that there will be no drop off (or even an improvement) in offensive production. He also might end up being a disaster. We'll see. As for our season win total----3 wins is still possible. That said, I think we'll do a bit better than 3 wins because I had N Texas as a loss---but I still have trouble finding the six wins we need for a bowl when I look at the schedule. So, i still have very limited expectations---Im just looking for overall team improvement in each game.

(09-30-2019 10:13 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 09:24 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(09-30-2019 08:09 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Good grief, P. There is no way to win as much as you could when you redshirt your starting QB, much less anybody else. And wake me up when that list gets to 35 in the 2 deep.

Memphis has a poster exactly like that one, who rationalizes even the most ridiculous things into something they aren't and never could be, and who always believes they're right in the face of overwhelming evidence. Pink Floyd wrote a song about people like this.

"The lunatic is on the grass..."

here the wierd thing to me...yall are theone trying saying the most ridiculous things,,

this isnt something that houston fans alone think is good and everyone thinks is bad, legtimatel every single media outlet understands the decision...

mcmurphy went on cbs sports and called it genius...david pollock said this is the wave of college football, and if he comes back to houston this wil be great fo them

the only criticizibg ive seen on national tv is feeling bad for the redshirt seniors ...and that was on the premise that were were going to lose to unt and the rest of the year

even one with common sense sees the ratioanl behind this ...except 6 poster on csnbbs

Exhibit A.