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(09-09-2019 11:59 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:23 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 08:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm guessing he is a professor at UC. He thinks that athletics is a drain on his ability to make money. What he doesn't understand is I give money to UCATS and the college of business and without football I'd never be on campus to be enticed to give that money. I.m quite sure that is a regular occurence. There is a reason why they invite me to CoB tailgates every homecoming where they beg for money for whatever new initiative they have going on.

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I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$..UC FB is NEVER going to be in the conversation for a National Championship...and to spend $$$ like it will be is a waste of time.

MBB on the other hand has a theoretical shot at a NC every year you make the field of 68...unlike the BCS. It's also CHEAPER to maintain.

IF UC had a history of championship FB and IF UC didn't have to recruit against the likes of OSU and Notre Dame and Michigan and UL and on and on...then I'd sing a different tune. But they are where they are.

If UC wants FB, that's fine, but it's time to admit that it will never be P5 eligible, and thus will be locked out of the premiere talent pool. This will make the gulf in quality of play larger as time goes by...not to mention the fact that the P5 will be able to compensate their athletes with $$$ due to recent changes in NCAA policy.

UC could be successful at FB at a lower level...but that also means fewer $$$ going into the program.

But the idea that the UC FB Bearcats will ever be on the same playing field in term of talent as the top of the P5 is a pipe dream, and the pursuit of such a goal is merely a vanity project for the donors.

And just for the record...I'm a rabid MBB, NFL, and MLB fan. I find College FB mildly interesting, but honestly, it looks to me like NFL football played poorly. That's why I prefer the pros.

NBA is OK, but I like NCAA MBB because they actually play DEFENSE..unlike the NBA.

That my 2 cents.

When you keep saying P5 talent - do you mean top 5/10 P5 talent or P5 overall? I ask because UCLA and VTech had P5 talent and UC fball won those contests. We also have a number of recruits, both on the team and coming in, who held P5 offers. They choose UC over a P5 destination. UC Football might not be able to win a NC in football, however over 80% of P5 fball teams have no shot at a NC. The system was created, so a pool of about 10 teams have a realistic shot.

After watching Saturdays game, listening to osu fans all week and listening to the post game pressers, I came away with a few thoughts. Fickell thought downplaying the game was a good idea. He even admitted to not preparing them properly. osu's team wanted this one bad. Their team and their fans wanted to send a message. They accomplished this goal. Unfortunately, our staff did not feel this was a statement game, but some sort of measuring stick, whatever that means.

His point is a bad one. UC is 13-13 in nonconference games against p5 teams since 2007 (BK's arrival). Three of those losses are to Ohio State and two are to Oklahoma (I would consider both top 5 programs over that span). UC is 13-8 in nonconference games against teams that aren't top 5 programs over that period.

Nevermind that they were 37-15 while in a BCS conference over that span, winning 4 conference championships over a list of teams that are still in a P5 conference.

(09-09-2019 12:07 PM)dsquare Wrote:  I had a great time tgating and the entire experience. Game was a disappointment, but i'd been shocked if we were in it at the end. Until we get thru Miami and Marshall we have no idea what we have given the turnover on both lines. I think folks have forgotten how young and inexperienced this team still is. Game day experience in Cbus is fun every once in a while, but i would seriously question the comments that they know how to handle it. The lines were much worse for both bathrooms and concessions as compared to Nippert. However, as i always say you have to pick your spots wherever you are. It's honestly way to big for me over 100k people in any venue. Luckily it wasn't warmer than it was or more folks would have been hauled out of there on stretchers. Osu is very talented and very good. That's what top 5 recruiting looks like, and we're likely not going to hang with that in this era unless we have a lot more experience than what we have. I'd say both Fields and Dobbins are likely first round Nfl picks at some point. How many Nfl guys did we have on either side of the ball Saturday? Let's see where we are at on 9/28 after we go to Marshall for a second away game. An experience like Saturdays does have a way of preparing inexperienced guys the second time around. We'll see who responds.

Yep. We won't see talent anywhere close to that on the road the rest of this season. Yet UC has much to clean up to win at Marshall or Memphis.

I think the graduations from the O and D line were more impactful than many imagined. Copeland and Broughton may have helped on Saturday. Finishing with some scoring inside the 10 yard line would have too.

(09-09-2019 12:16 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:07 PM)dsquare Wrote:  I had a great time tgating and the entire experience. Game was a disappointment, but i'd been shocked if we were in it at the end. Until we get thru Miami and Marshall we have no idea what we have given the turnover on both lines. I think folks have forgotten how young and inexperienced this team still is. Game day experience in Cbus is fun every once in a while, but i would seriously question the comments that they know how to handle it. The lines were much worse for both bathrooms and concessions as compared to Nippert. However, as i always say you have to pick your spots wherever you are. It's honestly way to big for me over 100k people in any venue. Luckily it wasn't warmer than it was or more folks would have been hauled out of there on stretchers. Osu is very talented and very good. That's what top 5 recruiting looks like, and we're likely not going to hang with that in this era unless we have a lot more experience than what we have. I'd say both Fields and Dobbins are likely first round Nfl picks at some point. How many Nfl guys did we have on either side of the ball Saturday? Let's see where we are at on 9/28 after we go to Marshall for a second away game. An experience like Saturdays does have a way of preparing inexperienced guys the second time around. We'll see who responds.

Yep. We won't see talent anywhere close to that on the road the rest of this season. Yet UC has much to clean up to win at Marshall or Memphis.

I think the graduations from the O and D line were more impactful than many imagined. Copeland and Broughton may have helped on Saturday. Finishing with some scoring inside the 10 yard line would have too.

I've watched closely the past couple weeks both sides of the line. Ucla has(d) big kids on both sides, but Osu's quickness and athleticism particularly on the defensive side of the ball up front was night and day what they saw last week. Meyer's stamp on Osu's program has made them much more like an Sec or Clemson team up front. There's only so many of those guys to go around, but seeing that for the first time is a difficult task. Whether we can get any of that of our our newby defensive interior remains to be seen. It's not a surprise when we played them close in 2002 we had two Nfl kids on our defensive line in Cole and Peak. You only learn to block that or avoid it by seeing it repeatedly. We didn't do a horrendous job of plugging up the interior, but our containment was poor. Not to mention we had almost no pressure on Fields. They won't see those kinds of athletes interior wise this week. Marshall will show more speed and size though i believe defensively.

(09-09-2019 11:26 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:16 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:09 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  What really sucks is that I spent $90 bucks for a crappy seat in a really crappy game, and the money went to that crappy school.

Seconded!

Yup and a waste of an afternoon. It was booooooring.

Oh, cmon. Admit it. My texts brightened your day up in the C Deck.

(09-09-2019 10:48 AM)geef Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:19 AM)cpawstoney Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:09 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  What really sucks is that I spent $90 bucks for a crappy seat in a really crappy game, and the money went to that crappy school.

900 bucks? Really? I didn't see any seats in the stadium worth hat amount.

Agreed. $9,000 is awfully steep, even for a marquee event.

My $90,000 seat was decent, but I think anyone paying less than that shouldn't be surprised if their seats are subpar.

(09-09-2019 12:51 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:16 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:07 PM)dsquare Wrote:  I had a great time tgating and the entire experience. Game was a disappointment, but i'd been shocked if we were in it at the end. Until we get thru Miami and Marshall we have no idea what we have given the turnover on both lines. I think folks have forgotten how young and inexperienced this team still is. Game day experience in Cbus is fun every once in a while, but i would seriously question the comments that they know how to handle it. The lines were much worse for both bathrooms and concessions as compared to Nippert. However, as i always say you have to pick your spots wherever you are. It's honestly way to big for me over 100k people in any venue. Luckily it wasn't warmer than it was or more folks would have been hauled out of there on stretchers. Osu is very talented and very good. That's what top 5 recruiting looks like, and we're likely not going to hang with that in this era unless we have a lot more experience than what we have. I'd say both Fields and Dobbins are likely first round Nfl picks at some point. How many Nfl guys did we have on either side of the ball Saturday? Let's see where we are at on 9/28 after we go to Marshall for a second away game. An experience like Saturdays does have a way of preparing inexperienced guys the second time around. We'll see who responds.

Yep. We won't see talent anywhere close to that on the road the rest of this season. Yet UC has much to clean up to win at Marshall or Memphis.

I think the graduations from the O and D line were more impactful than many imagined. Copeland and Broughton may have helped on Saturday. Finishing with some scoring inside the 10 yard line would have too.

I've watched closely the past couple weeks both sides of the line. Ucla has(d) big kids on both sides, but Osu's quickness and athleticism particularly on the defensive side of the ball up front was night and day what they saw last week. Meyer's stamp on Osu's program has made them much more like an Sec or Clemson team up front. There's only so many of those guys to go around, but seeing that for the first time is a difficult task. Whether we can get any of that of our our newby defensive interior remains to be seen. It's not a surprise when we played them close in 2002 we had two Nfl kids on our defensive line in Cole and Peak. You only learn to block that or avoid it by seeing it repeatedly. We didn't do a horrendous job of plugging up the interior, but our containment was poor. Not to mention we had almost no pressure on Fields. They won't see those kinds of athletes interior wise this week. Marshall will show more speed and size though i believe defensively.

That was a totally different offense that OSU ran with Tressel ball. Very conservative donwhill running. OSU had single digit wins against UC, Wisky, PSU, Purdue, Illinois,
and Michigan that year.

(09-09-2019 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:59 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:23 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 08:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm guessing he is a professor at UC. He thinks that athletics is a drain on his ability to make money. What he doesn't understand is I give money to UCATS and the college of business and without football I'd never be on campus to be enticed to give that money. I.m quite sure that is a regular occurence. There is a reason why they invite me to CoB tailgates every homecoming where they beg for money for whatever new initiative they have going on.

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I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$..UC FB is NEVER going to be in the conversation for a National Championship...and to spend $$$ like it will be is a waste of time.

MBB on the other hand has a theoretical shot at a NC every year you make the field of 68...unlike the BCS. It's also CHEAPER to maintain.

IF UC had a history of championship FB and IF UC didn't have to recruit against the likes of OSU and Notre Dame and Michigan and UL and on and on...then I'd sing a different tune. But they are where they are.

If UC wants FB, that's fine, but it's time to admit that it will never be P5 eligible, and thus will be locked out of the premiere talent pool. This will make the gulf in quality of play larger as time goes by...not to mention the fact that the P5 will be able to compensate their athletes with $$$ due to recent changes in NCAA policy.

UC could be successful at FB at a lower level...but that also means fewer $$$ going into the program.

But the idea that the UC FB Bearcats will ever be on the same playing field in term of talent as the top of the P5 is a pipe dream, and the pursuit of such a goal is merely a vanity project for the donors.

And just for the record...I'm a rabid MBB, NFL, and MLB fan. I find College FB mildly interesting, but honestly, it looks to me like NFL football played poorly. That's why I prefer the pros.

NBA is OK, but I like NCAA MBB because they actually play DEFENSE..unlike the NBA.

That my 2 cents.

When you keep saying P5 talent - do you mean top 5/10 P5 talent or P5 overall? I ask because UCLA and VTech had P5 talent and UC fball won those contests. We also have a number of recruits, both on the team and coming in, who held P5 offers. They choose UC over a P5 destination. UC Football might not be able to win a NC in football, however over 80% of P5 fball teams have no shot at a NC. The system was created, so a pool of about 10 teams have a realistic shot.

After watching Saturdays game, listening to osu fans all week and listening to the post game pressers, I came away with a few thoughts. Fickell thought downplaying the game was a good idea. He even admitted to not preparing them properly. osu's team wanted this one bad. Their team and their fans wanted to send a message. They accomplished this goal. Unfortunately, our staff did not feel this was a statement game, but some sort of measuring stick, whatever that means.

His point is a bad one. UC is 13-13 in nonconference games against p5 teams since 2007 (BK's arrival). Three of those losses are to Ohio State and two are to Oklahoma (I would consider both top 5 programs over that span). UC is 13-8 in nonconference games against teams that aren't top 5 programs over that period.

Nevermind that they were 37-15 while in a BCS conference over that span, winning 4 conference championships over a list of teams that are still in a P5 conference.

A couple of points on that:

1. We are no longer in a BCS conference and never will be.
2. "P5 Talent" means 4 and 5 star athletes...we see those rarely.
3. Winning a weak BEAST is not the same as being P5-ready...where are those BEAST teams in the P5 now? Most are at the bottom.
4. Add to this that the P5 is NOT going to grow, but SHRINK in the coming decades as they will only want low-subsidy programs to make up the bulk of their club in order not to drain profits--making the picture bleaker for the rest of the CFB landscape.

Now..if you want to talk about a separate "championship" for those locked out of the P5...then you might have something. But a NC? No way.

(09-09-2019 04:09 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:59 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:23 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 08:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm guessing he is a professor at UC. He thinks that athletics is a drain on his ability to make money. What he doesn't understand is I give money to UCATS and the college of business and without football I'd never be on campus to be enticed to give that money. I.m quite sure that is a regular occurence. There is a reason why they invite me to CoB tailgates every homecoming where they beg for money for whatever new initiative they have going on.

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I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$..UC FB is NEVER going to be in the conversation for a National Championship...and to spend $$$ like it will be is a waste of time.

MBB on the other hand has a theoretical shot at a NC every year you make the field of 68...unlike the BCS. It's also CHEAPER to maintain.

IF UC had a history of championship FB and IF UC didn't have to recruit against the likes of OSU and Notre Dame and Michigan and UL and on and on...then I'd sing a different tune. But they are where they are.

If UC wants FB, that's fine, but it's time to admit that it will never be P5 eligible, and thus will be locked out of the premiere talent pool. This will make the gulf in quality of play larger as time goes by...not to mention the fact that the P5 will be able to compensate their athletes with $$$ due to recent changes in NCAA policy.

UC could be successful at FB at a lower level...but that also means fewer $$$ going into the program.

But the idea that the UC FB Bearcats will ever be on the same playing field in term of talent as the top of the P5 is a pipe dream, and the pursuit of such a goal is merely a vanity project for the donors.

And just for the record...I'm a rabid MBB, NFL, and MLB fan. I find College FB mildly interesting, but honestly, it looks to me like NFL football played poorly. That's why I prefer the pros.

NBA is OK, but I like NCAA MBB because they actually play DEFENSE..unlike the NBA.

That my 2 cents.

When you keep saying P5 talent - do you mean top 5/10 P5 talent or P5 overall? I ask because UCLA and VTech had P5 talent and UC fball won those contests. We also have a number of recruits, both on the team and coming in, who held P5 offers. They choose UC over a P5 destination. UC Football might not be able to win a NC in football, however over 80% of P5 fball teams have no shot at a NC. The system was created, so a pool of about 10 teams have a realistic shot.

After watching Saturdays game, listening to osu fans all week and listening to the post game pressers, I came away with a few thoughts. Fickell thought downplaying the game was a good idea. He even admitted to not preparing them properly. osu's team wanted this one bad. Their team and their fans wanted to send a message. They accomplished this goal. Unfortunately, our staff did not feel this was a statement game, but some sort of measuring stick, whatever that means.

His point is a bad one. UC is 13-13 in nonconference games against p5 teams since 2007 (BK's arrival). Three of those losses are to Ohio State and two are to Oklahoma (I would consider both top 5 programs over that span). UC is 13-8 in nonconference games against teams that aren't top 5 programs over that period.

Nevermind that they were 37-15 while in a BCS conference over that span, winning 4 conference championships over a list of teams that are still in a P5 conference.

A couple of points on that:

1. We are no longer in a BCS conference and never will be.
2. "P5 Talent" means 4 and 5 star athletes...we see those rarely.
3. Winning a weak BEAST is not the same as being P5-ready...where are those BEAST teams in the P5 now? Most are at the bottom.
4. Add to this that the P5 is NOT going to grow, but SHRINK in the coming decades as they will only want low-subsidy programs to make up the bulk of their club in order not to drain profits--making the picture bleaker for the rest of the CFB landscape.

Now..if you want to talk about a separate "championship" for those locked out of the P5...then you might have something. But a NC? No way.

I started reading the post before I looked at the poster. No surprise.

(09-09-2019 12:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:26 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:16 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:09 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  What really sucks is that I spent $90 bucks for a crappy seat in a really crappy game, and the money went to that crappy school.

Seconded!

Yup and a waste of an afternoon. It was booooooring.

Oh, cmon. Admit it. My texts brightened your day up in the C Deck.

Girl you know it’s true...

(09-09-2019 05:25 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:26 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:16 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:09 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  What really sucks is that I spent $90 bucks for a crappy seat in a really crappy game, and the money went to that crappy school.

Seconded!

Yup and a waste of an afternoon. It was booooooring.

Oh, cmon. Admit it. My texts brightened your day up in the C Deck.

Girl you know it’s true...

Is that a Milli Vanilli reference?

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(09-09-2019 05:26 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 05:25 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:26 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:16 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  Seconded!

Yup and a waste of an afternoon. It was booooooring.

Oh, cmon. Admit it. My texts brightened your day up in the C Deck.

Girl you know it’s true...

Is that a Milli Vanilli reference?

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Look at you! Quicker than I thought, ba bapa ba, ba bapa ba, baby!

(09-09-2019 04:09 PM)converrl Wrote:  A couple of points on that:

1. We are no longer in a BCS conference and never will be.
2. "P5 Talent" means 4 and 5 star athletes...we see those rarely.
3. Winning a weak BEAST is not the same as being P5-ready...where are those BEAST teams in the P5 now? Most are at the bottom.
4. Add to this that the P5 is NOT going to grow, but SHRINK in the coming decades as they will only want low-subsidy programs to make up the bulk of their club in order not to drain profits--making the picture bleaker for the rest of the CFB landscape.

Now..if you want to talk about a separate "championship" for those locked out of the P5...then you might have something. But a NC? No way.

Not with that attitude

(09-09-2019 04:09 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:59 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:23 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 08:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm guessing he is a professor at UC. He thinks that athletics is a drain on his ability to make money. What he doesn't understand is I give money to UCATS and the college of business and without football I'd never be on campus to be enticed to give that money. I.m quite sure that is a regular occurence. There is a reason why they invite me to CoB tailgates every homecoming where they beg for money for whatever new initiative they have going on.

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I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$..UC FB is NEVER going to be in the conversation for a National Championship...and to spend $$$ like it will be is a waste of time.

MBB on the other hand has a theoretical shot at a NC every year you make the field of 68...unlike the BCS. It's also CHEAPER to maintain.

IF UC had a history of championship FB and IF UC didn't have to recruit against the likes of OSU and Notre Dame and Michigan and UL and on and on...then I'd sing a different tune. But they are where they are.

If UC wants FB, that's fine, but it's time to admit that it will never be P5 eligible, and thus will be locked out of the premiere talent pool. This will make the gulf in quality of play larger as time goes by...not to mention the fact that the P5 will be able to compensate their athletes with $$$ due to recent changes in NCAA policy.

UC could be successful at FB at a lower level...but that also means fewer $$$ going into the program.

But the idea that the UC FB Bearcats will ever be on the same playing field in term of talent as the top of the P5 is a pipe dream, and the pursuit of such a goal is merely a vanity project for the donors.

And just for the record...I'm a rabid MBB, NFL, and MLB fan. I find College FB mildly interesting, but honestly, it looks to me like NFL football played poorly. That's why I prefer the pros.

NBA is OK, but I like NCAA MBB because they actually play DEFENSE..unlike the NBA.

That my 2 cents.

When you keep saying P5 talent - do you mean top 5/10 P5 talent or P5 overall? I ask because UCLA and VTech had P5 talent and UC fball won those contests. We also have a number of recruits, both on the team and coming in, who held P5 offers. They choose UC over a P5 destination. UC Football might not be able to win a NC in football, however over 80% of P5 fball teams have no shot at a NC. The system was created, so a pool of about 10 teams have a realistic shot.

After watching Saturdays game, listening to osu fans all week and listening to the post game pressers, I came away with a few thoughts. Fickell thought downplaying the game was a good idea. He even admitted to not preparing them properly. osu's team wanted this one bad. Their team and their fans wanted to send a message. They accomplished this goal. Unfortunately, our staff did not feel this was a statement game, but some sort of measuring stick, whatever that means.

His point is a bad one. UC is 13-13 in nonconference games against p5 teams since 2007 (BK's arrival). Three of those losses are to Ohio State and two are to Oklahoma (I would consider both top 5 programs over that span). UC is 13-8 in nonconference games against teams that aren't top 5 programs over that period.

Nevermind that they were 37-15 while in a BCS conference over that span, winning 4 conference championships over a list of teams that are still in a P5 conference.

A couple of points on that:

1. We are no longer in a BCS conference and never will be.
2. "P5 Talent" means 4 and 5 star athletes...we see those rarely.
3. Winning a weak BEAST is not the same as being P5-ready...where are those BEAST teams in the P5 now? Most are at the bottom.
4. Add to this that the P5 is NOT going to grow, but SHRINK in the coming decades as they will only want low-subsidy programs to make up the bulk of their club in order not to drain profits--making the picture bleaker for the rest of the CFB landscape.

Now..if you want to talk about a separate "championship" for those locked out of the P5...then you might have something. But a NC? No way.

Just out of pure curiosity...what types of courses do you teach if you feel free to share? If your not comfortable sharing no worries.

(09-09-2019 08:13 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:09 PM)converrl Wrote:  A couple of points on that:

1. We are no longer in a BCS conference and never will be.
2. "P5 Talent" means 4 and 5 star athletes...we see those rarely.
3. Winning a weak BEAST is not the same as being P5-ready...where are those BEAST teams in the P5 now? Most are at the bottom.
4. Add to this that the P5 is NOT going to grow, but SHRINK in the coming decades as they will only want low-subsidy programs to make up the bulk of their club in order not to drain profits--making the picture bleaker for the rest of the CFB landscape.

Now..if you want to talk about a separate "championship" for those locked out of the P5...then you might have something. But a NC? No way.

Not with that attitude

No offense, but "attitude" has really nothing to do with it...especially on a message board. These decisions are well and truly out of our hands.

(09-09-2019 10:07 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:09 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:59 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 01:23 AM)converrl Wrote:  I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$..UC FB is NEVER going to be in the conversation for a National Championship...and to spend $$$ like it will be is a waste of time.

MBB on the other hand has a theoretical shot at a NC every year you make the field of 68...unlike the BCS. It's also CHEAPER to maintain.

IF UC had a history of championship FB and IF UC didn't have to recruit against the likes of OSU and Notre Dame and Michigan and UL and on and on...then I'd sing a different tune. But they are where they are.

If UC wants FB, that's fine, but it's time to admit that it will never be P5 eligible, and thus will be locked out of the premiere talent pool. This will make the gulf in quality of play larger as time goes by...not to mention the fact that the P5 will be able to compensate their athletes with $$$ due to recent changes in NCAA policy.

UC could be successful at FB at a lower level...but that also means fewer $$$ going into the program.

But the idea that the UC FB Bearcats will ever be on the same playing field in term of talent as the top of the P5 is a pipe dream, and the pursuit of such a goal is merely a vanity project for the donors.

And just for the record...I'm a rabid MBB, NFL, and MLB fan. I find College FB mildly interesting, but honestly, it looks to me like NFL football played poorly. That's why I prefer the pros.

NBA is OK, but I like NCAA MBB because they actually play DEFENSE..unlike the NBA.

That my 2 cents.

When you keep saying P5 talent - do you mean top 5/10 P5 talent or P5 overall? I ask because UCLA and VTech had P5 talent and UC fball won those contests. We also have a number of recruits, both on the team and coming in, who held P5 offers. They choose UC over a P5 destination. UC Football might not be able to win a NC in football, however over 80% of P5 fball teams have no shot at a NC. The system was created, so a pool of about 10 teams have a realistic shot.

After watching Saturdays game, listening to osu fans all week and listening to the post game pressers, I came away with a few thoughts. Fickell thought downplaying the game was a good idea. He even admitted to not preparing them properly. osu's team wanted this one bad. Their team and their fans wanted to send a message. They accomplished this goal. Unfortunately, our staff did not feel this was a statement game, but some sort of measuring stick, whatever that means.

His point is a bad one. UC is 13-13 in nonconference games against p5 teams since 2007 (BK's arrival). Three of those losses are to Ohio State and two are to Oklahoma (I would consider both top 5 programs over that span). UC is 13-8 in nonconference games against teams that aren't top 5 programs over that period.

Nevermind that they were 37-15 while in a BCS conference over that span, winning 4 conference championships over a list of teams that are still in a P5 conference.

A couple of points on that:

1. We are no longer in a BCS conference and never will be.
2. "P5 Talent" means 4 and 5 star athletes...we see those rarely.
3. Winning a weak BEAST is not the same as being P5-ready...where are those BEAST teams in the P5 now? Most are at the bottom.
4. Add to this that the P5 is NOT going to grow, but SHRINK in the coming decades as they will only want low-subsidy programs to make up the bulk of their club in order not to drain profits--making the picture bleaker for the rest of the CFB landscape.

Now..if you want to talk about a separate "championship" for those locked out of the P5...then you might have something. But a NC? No way.

Just out of pure curiosity...what types of courses do you teach if you feel free to share? If your not comfortable sharing no worries.

Biotech, A&p, Micro, Bio, Math

Tutor everything related to science from Bio to physics. Used to be an RA, now teach full-time.

So a program that’s consistently in the top 25 is a waste of time? Pffft.

(09-10-2019 05:13 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  So a program that’s consistently in the top 25 is a waste of time? Pffft.

Based on his standards CFB would be a 12-15 team league

(09-10-2019 02:48 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 10:07 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 04:09 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-09-2019 11:59 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  When you keep saying P5 talent - do you mean top 5/10 P5 talent or P5 overall? I ask because UCLA and VTech had P5 talent and UC fball won those contests. We also have a number of recruits, both on the team and coming in, who held P5 offers. They choose UC over a P5 destination. UC Football might not be able to win a NC in football, however over 80% of P5 fball teams have no shot at a NC. The system was created, so a pool of about 10 teams have a realistic shot.

After watching Saturdays game, listening to osu fans all week and listening to the post game pressers, I came away with a few thoughts. Fickell thought downplaying the game was a good idea. He even admitted to not preparing them properly. osu's team wanted this one bad. Their team and their fans wanted to send a message. They accomplished this goal. Unfortunately, our staff did not feel this was a statement game, but some sort of measuring stick, whatever that means.

His point is a bad one. UC is 13-13 in nonconference games against p5 teams since 2007 (BK's arrival). Three of those losses are to Ohio State and two are to Oklahoma (I would consider both top 5 programs over that span). UC is 13-8 in nonconference games against teams that aren't top 5 programs over that period.

Nevermind that they were 37-15 while in a BCS conference over that span, winning 4 conference championships over a list of teams that are still in a P5 conference.

A couple of points on that:

1. We are no longer in a BCS conference and never will be.
2. "P5 Talent" means 4 and 5 star athletes...we see those rarely.
3. Winning a weak BEAST is not the same as being P5-ready...where are those BEAST teams in the P5 now? Most are at the bottom.
4. Add to this that the P5 is NOT going to grow, but SHRINK in the coming decades as they will only want low-subsidy programs to make up the bulk of their club in order not to drain profits--making the picture bleaker for the rest of the CFB landscape.

Now..if you want to talk about a separate "championship" for those locked out of the P5...then you might have something. But a NC? No way.

Just out of pure curiosity...what types of courses do you teach if you feel free to share? If your not comfortable sharing no worries.

Biotech, A&p, Micro, Bio, Math

Tutor everything related to science from Bio to physics. Used to be an RA, now teach full-time.

Good stuff. Keep doing your thing.

I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$.

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Classic post. If you hate wasting $$$, you should have chosen a different profession. Higher education is nothing but wasteful.

(09-10-2019 06:29 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$.

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Classic post. If you hate wasting $$$, you should have chosen a different profession. Higher education is nothing but wasteful.

That’s not true either. Certain administrative cost could be streamlined, some disciplines provide more value than others, and the number of students admitted doesn’t alway match the needs of each institution but overall higher education including athletics builds skills, creates community, and allows young adults a place to grow up.