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Uc drops FB a Big East invite is not waiting on us— we’ll be headed to the A10 or the MVC making $100K a year on the media deal in a one bid league.

(09-08-2019 02:50 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:41 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 05:46 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 07:38 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 06:29 PM)converrl Wrote:  So...do we admit now that we are light years away from being competitive at the P5 level and maybe set our sights in a different direction?

Converrl’s mantra is we are a bball school, or rather should be. He wants us to drop football and join the Big East. He’s apparently stuck back in 1992.

Our history is certainly more about MBB than FB. I'm suggesting that as the P5 becomes more of a "closed club" and sheds weak sisters into the "non P5" collective, that perhaps the gulf in talent will become so great that non P5 schools will simply compete among themselves at a reduced resource level--which may eventually starve out heavily subsidized programs. As this progresses, the financial strain will eventually reach our program, and at that point, the AD may have to consider allocating fewer resources to FB.

Football drives the bus, and I'm sure the Basketball program would falter without it in this day and age.

I have heard that quote over and over again...if it were true then:

Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UConn?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at XU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Bradley?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at BU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UCSB?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at College of Charleston?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Denver?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at DePaul?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Gonzaga?
Why do over 70 percent of the DI FB programs fail to show a profit?

Maybe that quote needs to be modified...it "drives the bus"..."off the cliff"

....unless you are P5....

The XU fans I know wish they had a football program because they have nothing to do on campus for most of the fall.

(09-08-2019 04:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Uc drops FB a Big East invite is not waiting on us— we’ll be headed to the A10 or the MVC making $100K a year on the media deal in a one bid league.

This.

(09-08-2019 02:50 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:41 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 05:46 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 07:38 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 06:29 PM)converrl Wrote:  So...do we admit now that we are light years away from being competitive at the P5 level and maybe set our sights in a different direction?

Converrl’s mantra is we are a bball school, or rather should be. He wants us to drop football and join the Big East. He’s apparently stuck back in 1992.

Our history is certainly more about MBB than FB. I'm suggesting that as the P5 becomes more of a "closed club" and sheds weak sisters into the "non P5" collective, that perhaps the gulf in talent will become so great that non P5 schools will simply compete among themselves at a reduced resource level--which may eventually starve out heavily subsidized programs. As this progresses, the financial strain will eventually reach our program, and at that point, the AD may have to consider allocating fewer resources to FB.

Football drives the bus, and I'm sure the Basketball program would falter without it in this day and age.

I have heard that quote over and over again...if it were true then:

Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UConn?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at XU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Bradley?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at BU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UCSB?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at College of Charleston?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Denver?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at DePaul?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Gonzaga?
Why do over 70 percent of the DI FB programs fail to show a profit?

Maybe that quote needs to be modified...it "drives the bus"..."off the cliff"

....unless you are P5....

Most of those schools are small catholic schools or those late to the party. UC isn’t Ohio State football or UK basketball but they are way better then the majority college football and college basketball programs. Basically UC is B grade program in athletics in both sports but the geography makes being a “B” look inferior. Over the entire nation UC is in a good spot.

Here’s an idea quit all sports they are all a waste of money.

(09-08-2019 09:05 AM)ucbandguy Wrote:  There is a factor that I think may have been discounted a little in this thread.

I doubt that the OSU players treated this as "just another game."

Fick recruited a # of their upperclassmen, and coached them while at OSU. Those guys know him and their extra motivation showed. They let the underclassmen know how they felt and what they wanted to accomplish. They may not have made a big deal of it in public, but I don't doubt it was a factor.

Plus, they all read the news articles about UC as their "trap" game. There was no overlooking us. They wanted to make some statements.

And as we have all said, OSU has a lot of truly elite athletes to make that statement. Especially on the O line and D line, they were more talented than UC.

The result hurt, but we might not want to beat on our guys too much.

Yep. There was no Oklahoma or Notre Dame on their ooc schedule this year. We were their early season statement game before they hit the conference schedule. If they had Texas or Washington up next week, we might have caught a break.

(09-08-2019 04:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Uc drops FB a Big East invite is not waiting on us— we’ll be headed to the A10 or the MVC making $100K a year on the media deal in a one bid league.

Don't need a BEAST invite. Just need to play a tough schedule and win and get an at-large bid or win the conference. Then you have a theoretical shot at a national title. Unlike FB which is a closed club.

(09-08-2019 04:47 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 02:50 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:41 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 05:46 AM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 07:38 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Converrl’s mantra is we are a bball school, or rather should be. He wants us to drop football and join the Big East. He’s apparently stuck back in 1992.

Our history is certainly more about MBB than FB. I'm suggesting that as the P5 becomes more of a "closed club" and sheds weak sisters into the "non P5" collective, that perhaps the gulf in talent will become so great that non P5 schools will simply compete among themselves at a reduced resource level--which may eventually starve out heavily subsidized programs. As this progresses, the financial strain will eventually reach our program, and at that point, the AD may have to consider allocating fewer resources to FB.

Football drives the bus, and I'm sure the Basketball program would falter without it in this day and age.

I have heard that quote over and over again...if it were true then:

Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UConn?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at XU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Bradley?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at BU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UCSB?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at College of Charleston?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Denver?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at DePaul?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Gonzaga?
Why do over 70 percent of the DI FB programs fail to show a profit?

Maybe that quote needs to be modified...it "drives the bus"..."off the cliff"

....unless you are P5....

The XU fans I know wish they had a football program because they have nothing to do on campus for most of the fall.

They have MBB...and they've been successful. I really doubt that they miss crappy FB.

(09-08-2019 05:49 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Here’s an idea quit all sports they are all a waste of money.

Hey...if it weren't for title IX..I'd be all for dumping everything except MBB.

Can't do that...it's against the law.

(09-08-2019 06:39 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 04:47 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 02:50 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:41 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 05:46 AM)converrl Wrote:  Our history is certainly more about MBB than FB. I'm suggesting that as the P5 becomes more of a "closed club" and sheds weak sisters into the "non P5" collective, that perhaps the gulf in talent will become so great that non P5 schools will simply compete among themselves at a reduced resource level--which may eventually starve out heavily subsidized programs. As this progresses, the financial strain will eventually reach our program, and at that point, the AD may have to consider allocating fewer resources to FB.

Football drives the bus, and I'm sure the Basketball program would falter without it in this day and age.

I have heard that quote over and over again...if it were true then:

Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UConn?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at XU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Bradley?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at BU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UCSB?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at College of Charleston?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Denver?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at DePaul?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Gonzaga?
Why do over 70 percent of the DI FB programs fail to show a profit?

Maybe that quote needs to be modified...it "drives the bus"..."off the cliff"

....unless you are P5....

The XU fans I know wish they had a football program because they have nothing to do on campus for most of the fall.

They have MBB...and they've been successful. I really doubt that they miss crappy FB.

You are entitled to your opinion but I've heard about no football from more than one XU fan...there is nothing on their campus for August, September and October. No homecoming, no homecoming parade, no tailgating, etc. Success in basketball doesn't make up for not having an active vibrant campus for the three first months of the year.

(09-08-2019 06:40 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 05:49 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Here’s an idea quit all sports they are all a waste of money.

Hey...if it weren't for title IX..I'd be all for dumping everything except MBB.

Can't do that...it's against the law.

Wow

(09-08-2019 06:38 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 04:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Uc drops FB a Big East invite is not waiting on us— we’ll be headed to the A10 or the MVC making $100K a year on the media deal in a one bid league.

Don't need a BEAST invite. Just need to play a tough schedule and win and get an at-large bid or win the conference. Then you have a theoretical shot at a national title. Unlike FB which is a closed club.

So 18/31 games will be the likes of Illinois State, Missouri State, Southern Illinois and Indiana State. That’s worse than what we have now. You are delusional if you think our OOC would be any better than it is now. Duke, Indiana, North Carolina won’t schedule a MVC/A10 team home and home. The 90s are over dude. It is a different world.

And you’d till haven’t told me where the money to support the athletic. Department will come from. Media deal will be $100k vs $7-10M we will be getting from AAC. Casual fans won’t be paying $$ for tickets to watch Fordham or Davidson in February.

I'm guessing he is a professor at UC. He thinks that athletics is a drain on his ability to make money. What he doesn't understand is I give money to UCATS and the college of business and without football I'd never be on campus to be enticed to give that money. I.m quite sure that is a regular occurence. There is a reason why they invite me to CoB tailgates every homecoming where they beg for money for whatever new initiative they have going on.

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(09-08-2019 08:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm guessing he is a professor at UC. He thinks that athletics is a drain on his ability to make money. What he doesn't understand is I give money to UCATS and the college of business and without football I'd never be on campus to be enticed to give that money. I.m quite sure that is a regular occurence. There is a reason why they invite me to CoB tailgates every homecoming where they beg for money for whatever new initiative they have going on.

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UC isn’t MIT. Without athletics overall donations would go way down imo. Sports are a big part of bringing alumni or outsiders (Since I didn’t go to UC) on campus and give them a feeling of still being involved. F no to dropping football. Unless we have 3 0fer seasons in a row and attendance drops back to under 15k there is no need to even discuss. Like someone noted our media deal would be so small as an Indy or in a crappy b-ball league. Hell my support would drop dramatically even if we were in the A-10/Big East mashup.

(09-07-2019 01:36 PM)Sweetness Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 01:32 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 01:31 PM)jarr Wrote:  Are we sold on Ridder for the next 3 years? I think Bryant and Prater should be looked at next year.

No O line = No time.
Bryant and Prater wouldn't do any better.

Not disagreeing but Ridder isn't the answer either. If he's the QB the next 2 years we still aren't accomplishing much. He's definitely not a bad player but he's not a game changer.

What is we switched QB with o$u...how would Fields do here? How Would Ridder do in Cow-town?

Talk of dropping football (based on one tough loss) is nuts. One has to accept that UC will never be elite in FB, but with a break in the next round of realignment, it could be where it's been before: competitive with Louisville and Pitt. Until then, there's plenty of fun to be had rooting for an access bowl bid.

Just checking in to see how everyone's handling the loss andddddd, ah, "fold the football program" is now being discussed. I'll stop by next weekend.

(09-08-2019 08:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm guessing he is a professor at UC. He thinks that athletics is a drain on his ability to make money. What he doesn't understand is I give money to UCATS and the college of business and without football I'd never be on campus to be enticed to give that money. I.m quite sure that is a regular occurence. There is a reason why they invite me to CoB tailgates every homecoming where they beg for money for whatever new initiative they have going on.

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I am an instructor at UC, but I don't hate athletics...I hate pursuing impossible scenarios that are a waste of $$$..UC FB is NEVER going to be in the conversation for a National Championship...and to spend $$$ like it will be is a waste of time.

MBB on the other hand has a theoretical shot at a NC every year you make the field of 68...unlike the BCS. It's also CHEAPER to maintain.

IF UC had a history of championship FB and IF UC didn't have to recruit against the likes of OSU and Notre Dame and Michigan and UL and on and on...then I'd sing a different tune. But they are where they are.

If UC wants FB, that's fine, but it's time to admit that it will never be P5 eligible, and thus will be locked out of the premiere talent pool. This will make the gulf in quality of play larger as time goes by...not to mention the fact that the P5 will be able to compensate their athletes with $$$ due to recent changes in NCAA policy.

UC could be successful at FB at a lower level...but that also means fewer $$$ going into the program.

But the idea that the UC FB Bearcats will ever be on the same playing field in term of talent as the top of the P5 is a pipe dream, and the pursuit of such a goal is merely a vanity project for the donors.

And just for the record...I'm a rabid MBB, NFL, and MLB fan. I find College FB mildly interesting, but honestly, it looks to me like NFL football played poorly. That's why I prefer the pros.

NBA is OK, but I like NCAA MBB because they actually play DEFENSE..unlike the NBA.

That my 2 cents.

(09-08-2019 07:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:38 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 04:08 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Uc drops FB a Big East invite is not waiting on us— we’ll be headed to the A10 or the MVC making $100K a year on the media deal in a one bid league.

Don't need a BEAST invite. Just need to play a tough schedule and win and get an at-large bid or win the conference. Then you have a theoretical shot at a national title. Unlike FB which is a closed club.

So 18/31 games will be the likes of Illinois State, Missouri State, Southern Illinois and Indiana State. That’s worse than what we have now. You are delusional if you think our OOC would be any better than it is now. Duke, Indiana, North Carolina won’t schedule a MVC/A10 team home and home. The 90s are over dude. It is a different world.

And you’d till haven’t told me where the money to support the athletic. Department will come from. Media deal will be $100k vs $7-10M we will be getting from AAC. Casual fans won’t be paying $$ for tickets to watch Fordham or Davidson in February.

A different world? One where UD makes the final 4? One where Butler goes to the NC 2 years running? One where Gonzaga routinely goes past the Sweet 16? One where Villanova, a non-FB school wins the NC multiple times?

And who says the big boys wouldn't schedule a team outside the P5? I thought they LOVED playing "cupcakes"...UC could be a cupcake that bites back.

Oh...and you don't need big $$$ to maintain decent MBB...you just need the right coaching staff.

If your assertions were true, then teams from outside the P5 would never make deep runs...and they do that routinely.

I seem to recall that you claimed the MBB would never pull in 4 star talent again...our current coach has already proved you wrong...I imagine he'll prove a lot of people wrong this season--he's young, full of energy, offensive-minded, and BELIEVES IN OUR PEDIGREE.

Unlike you.

(09-08-2019 06:49 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:39 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 04:47 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 02:50 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:41 AM)Banter Wrote:  Football drives the bus, and I'm sure the Basketball program would falter without it in this day and age.

I have heard that quote over and over again...if it were true then:

Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UConn?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at XU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Bradley?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at BU?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at UCSB?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at College of Charleston?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Denver?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at DePaul?
Why didn't it "drive the bus" at Gonzaga?
Why do over 70 percent of the DI FB programs fail to show a profit?

Maybe that quote needs to be modified...it "drives the bus"..."off the cliff"

....unless you are P5....

The XU fans I know wish they had a football program because they have nothing to do on campus for most of the fall.

They have MBB...and they've been successful. I really doubt that they miss crappy FB.

You are entitled to your opinion but I've heard about no football from more than one XU fan...there is nothing on their campus for August, September and October. No homecoming, no homecoming parade, no tailgating, etc. Success in basketball doesn't make up for not having an active vibrant campus for the three first months of the year.

You don't get an "active vibrant campus" with a CRAPPY FB program! Ask UConn!