(09-07-2019 01:08 AM)pesik Wrote:  like we'll said we'll have to wait till the season..

as far as houston..not to seem like a homer, houston was tier higher than everyone else in the aac last season (other aac coaches said this) ..even falling some shouldn't put us out of the top 4...
and personally i don't think houston falling, i think houston will be better than last season (not record wise, talking quality of the team wise)

Sampson said he came into last season thinking dejon and fabian were supposed to be our top 2 scorers Last season..sampson still says he is shocked how good we were after both got injured before the season and came back sluggish after missing games (how corey an galen stepped up)..he has never denied our backups (this years players) were the most talented on roster, and it multiple times in interviews

if grimes is eligible all 3 starting guards will be 6'5+, dejon with super long arms, and nate/grimes extremely muscular. all former elite recruits all now experienced...all 3 talked about as nba draft picks .....at the 4, is where we are deepest. Sampson called fabian a "grown man" and a standout after the italian tour, now that he is in shape...and called justin gorham (transfer from towson) likely backup, "his dream 4"..who had multiple double double on foreign trip

our backup guards; include early enrollee caleb mills who sampson says is the best offensive recruit he has had at houston.....and the guy overlook by everyone including houston fans (becuase he didnt have fancy offers/rankings) marcus sasser, changed quick after he lead the team in scoring the 1st 3 games of the foreign tour ...(did 27pts a game in HS/werent sure it would translate..looks good early)

we were a top 10 rebounding team last year, sampson says we'll be better this yr..our huge guards likely also produce another top defense....and though 3pt shooting will be worse, houston will have a way more dynamic/driving offense

im not trying to change your mind about houston...just stating where i stand preseason, to see where we are at the end of the season....
you dont see houston top 4 even with grimes....i think houston is lock at top 4 irregardless...houston is fighting for a top 6 seed another sweet 16+ with grimes

as for usf, they have the most proven all-conference worthy players in the conference (rideau, collins, yetna) and could have more by seasons end..last season was the 1st year 75% of their roster was in gregorys system & started multiple freshman.. and still won the CBI in one of the biggest turn around in college basketball... next year 100% returns w/ everyone now familiar with gregory's system..including the top 100 4star they added (who was sitting on transfer rules)
if you dont seem see a reason to optimistic about usf you are blinded by your love for temple to realize how blatantly obvious it is to see USF's potential this season...

no offense i can tell you arent familiar with any other AAC teams besides google-able stats ...

Thanks for your insight into Houston bb.

I agree that Houston’s record reflected that it was the best team in the conference, but would not go so far as saying it stood by itself in a tier above everyone else. And I agree with you that Houston is not likely repeat the outstanding record they had in conference play last season, and won’t at all if conference opponents figure out that first and foremost they must shut down Houston’s three-point shooting which is not that hard to do.

The issue is whether Houston with their loss of three high-powered scorers, has replenished enough to offset the improvement of Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, and UConn.

I’ve reviewed video’s of Mills and Sasser, and believe both, especially Mills, will contribute immediately, and that alleviates somewhat my concern about Houston losing three high powered offensive players. Grimes would solidify Houston’s offense as well. Can see why Houston fans excited about their new recruits. But, Houston still remains a very young team.

Will need to see if Grimes (if he is ruled eligible to play) is in the same elite category as Davis and Brooks who are both are gone. Do think Mills may be. But, without Grimes playing, it’s difficult to say how good a team Houston is.

We know Houston had an outstanding defense keeping lopponent 2-point percentage very low. What I don’t know is how much Brooks and Brady departing, both above average defensive players. will effect Houston’s defensive play.

Do agree that Houston’s superiority in three-point shooting is going to take a hit like and decline somewhat, but by how much is an open question? Houston scored almost 20 points per game on three’s from Davis alone in conference play. If that cut in half than Houston’s huge scoring margin over opponents virtually evaporates. Still have reservations about Houston averaging again 77 points per game as they did conference play last season, but certainly possible.

What does seem likely is that Houston scoring margin over opponents is going to drop. An open question is how much?

The way to play and beat Houston is to deny the three-ball. Opponents didn’t do that last season. Instead off denying the ball or making the three-point shooters dribble, opponents did close-outs, a recipe’ for losing. No wonder Houston scored almost 30 of their 77 points on three-pointers. No wonder Houston shot
39 percent on three-point shots in conference play. Stop Houston’s the-point shooting and they’re an average team, as they don’t shot two’s that well, and don’t get to the foul-line often enough.

I’m concerned that Houston fouled too much and sent opponents to the foul-line more than than Houston went to the foul-line. Not good. Houston does not seem to have had players who can get to the foul-line. Will that change this season?

Also of concern is the fact that Houston does not create a big turnover advantage over it’s opponents like Temple did last season. Having 3 or 4 extra scoring opportunities off of the turnover differential is huge in determining the outcomes of games. Houston simply does not steal the ball very often.

And even though Houston creates extra scoring opportunities off of garnering more offensive rebounds than it’s opponents, such has much less impact than the turnover differential does, in a game’s ultimate outcome. As an Houston opponent can still defend after Houston gets an offensive rebound.
The turnover differential has more of an impact as teams rarely can defend and keep the opponent from scoring after they steal the ball.

Houston is also losing two good rebounders in Brooks and Brady. Who will replace that loss? Brady all shot
well.

I think we’ll all have a better handle after we see if Grimes is granted a waiver or not, and we see Houston play some good competition in non-conference games. Will say that given the fact that Grimes had a low two-point shooting percentage in conference play, and only got to the foul-line rarely, and shot only 40 percent at the foul-line In conference play, and it appears his only offensive prowess is in shooting three’s at 36 percent.

You’ll see for yourself that Temple’s James Scott is a much better player, As he shoots both 2’s and three’s better, will get to the foul more than Grimes m, and will shoot foul shots at 85 percent plus. And on defense, he makes steals at a good rate.

Agree that USF has a good PG coming in. Need to see how much an impact he will have.

I know there's a ton of talk about UC's style change. I'd be shocked if they played a "super fast"tempo. If brannen's past teams are an indication they'll look to run and if it's not there they'll run patient offense. Bet they'll be s middle third tempo team instead of a bottom third.

(09-06-2019 05:51 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 05:48 PM)indydoug Wrote:  1. Hou
2. Mem
3. UC
4. USF
5.Temp
6.WSU
7.UConn
8.ECU
9.SMU
10.Tulane
11.Tulsa
12.UCF

Wow.... this is the dumbest ranking I think I've ever seen.

Let’s see how it plays out

1A. Memphis
1B. ECU
3. Houston
4. Tulane
5. Tulsa
6. Wichita
7. UCONN
8. USF
9. Temple
10. Cincinnati
11. SMU
12. UCF

(09-06-2019 02:46 PM)thedrowsyowl Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 02:40 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I would put HC McKie up against any HC, he has learned from both Dunphy and Brown, two of the best, plus he has played in the NBA.

Dude I like Temple too but Marshall is legitimately one of the best coaches in college basketball...McKie has coached zero games so far. Let's just wait and see before making Temple fans look dumb

Coach McKie has been coaching Temple players everyday since he joined Temple. Has been involved in every aspect of Temple bb, including game day preparation.

(09-06-2019 03:02 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 02:40 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I wouldn’t use your metrics to compare Temple and WSU. First, WSU lost SU’s two top scorers have departed.

Temple lost Alston it’s best scorer, and Ern it’s sixth best scorer in conference play. Alston’s scoring will be replaced by Scott who averaged 17 ppg playing less minutes.

WSU has no proven players replacing I two top scorers. That’s a huge edge to Temple.

Moreover, Temple has two transfers in Forrester, a 4-star, and Strickland, a 3-star recruit, and both may well receive an NCAA waivers to
play this season.

So, Temple has a huge known advantage over WSU in scoring to start the season.

WSU’s incoming freshman class is an unknown as far as how they will perform on the court. I see that three of the players are listed as PG’s.
Even though some lof WSU’s players are transfers, they are probably not better than Temple’s returning players.

So overall, it’s my opinion, based on the respective rosters, Temple’s is far
superior as it has proven scorers that given that the HC intends to rim ore
should result in Temple averaging way more than the 75 ppg thry did last year. Doubt WSU will do that.

I would put HC McKie up against any HC, he has learned from
both Dunphy and Brown, two of the best, plus he has played in the NBA.

So much Eeek in this post.

Why use overall PPG for some people, but conference PPG for another? I get it makes your point better, but you are just trying to fudge numbers now.

Counting on players that don't have waivers right now ... ok

No proven players? umm .. I'll take Dexter Dennis and his game over Scott any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Scotts 17ppg at Kennesaw state can be thrown out the window. They were 309 in KP that year and had a SOS of ~300. He will be lucky to get double digits. I'd actually take Erik Stevenson and Jamarius Burton over him too. You can actually look at Cane Broome as a good comparable. Came from a ~300 KP school that played a ~300 SOS. Averaged 23 ppg at Sacred Heart and only averaged 7-8 ppg at Cincy. There is no way Scott gets close to replacing Alston. Not by a mile.

Quote:"So, Temple has a huge known advantage over WSU in scoring to start the season."

67% returning for Temple, 60% for WSU. Wouldn't say huge known advantage.

Quote:"Even though some lof WSU’s players are transfers, they are probably not better than Temple’s returning players."

Umm ok? I'd disagree. Rose is better than WSU's returners but rest? Toss up at best, most likely the edge to WSU. WSU has more quality depth there with Dennis, Stevenson, Burton, Echenique and even toss in Midtgaard with his play late in the year.

Quote:So overall, it’s my opinion, based on the respective rosters, Temple’s is far
superior as it has proven scorers that given that the HC intends to rim ore
should result in Temple averaging way more than the 75 ppg thry did last year. Doubt WSU will do that.

Temple will likely average more PPG, but how will their defense be? PPG is only one part of the game. Marshall knows defense and they will be one of the toughest on defense in the league.

Quote:I would put HC McKie up against any HC, he has learned from
both Dunphy and Brown, two of the best, plus he has played in the NBA.

Full stop here before your embarrass yourself.

Temple has more good shooters returning who played way more minutes than WSU players did who are returning. Such is expected as WSU losses if’s Top two scorers, and Temple only losses one good scorer. As Temple has six players returning including Rose and NPL, who played a total of 2,359 minutes in conference play and all had a Total Shooting Percentage ( TSP) above 50 percent.

WSU has only 4 players who played only 473 minutes who had a TSP above 50 percent. It had two players who had a TSP of 48 and 47 respectively in conference play, and who played 819 minutes. I did not include Udeze who played but 32 minutes in conference play.

So, Temple has better overall shooters returning who have played
900 more minute in conference lay that WSU players.,

And although WSU has added a good shooter in Sherfield, Temple has a good transfer shooter in James Scott to fill the shoes of Shizz Alston. Scott averaged 20 points per game playing against high major schools. WSU also added a decent freshman player in Bilau. I think freshman Gordon is just average.

In summary. Temple is winning the league based on one single stat. Sorry Memphis, it wasn't meant to be

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(09-07-2019 11:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  In summary. Temple is winning the league based on one single stat. Sorry Memphis, it wasn't meant to be

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Not saying that all but can understand why you that impression.

Just pointing out that one needs to start the process of evaluating teams is to look at them offensive weapons each team is returning. Also, should consider the defensive skills of players returning to each team. Next is to look at incoming players. We’ll learn about them from
videos and when the season begins. Also, category stats from last season are helpful as well.

I just wanted to start a more deeper dive into each team. My first impression was that Memphis, Cincy, Temple, and UConn sre the ACC’s best teams. Won’t settle on a top four tier till after final rostsr’s are set some non-conference games are played.

(09-08-2019 12:14 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 11:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  In summary. Temple is winning the league based on one single stat. Sorry Memphis, it wasn't meant to be

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Not saying that all but can understand why you that impression.

Just pointing out that one needs to start the process of evaluating teams is to look at them offensive weapons each team is returning. Also, should consider the defensive skills of players returning to each team. Next is to look at incoming players. We’ll learn about them from
videos and when the season begins. Also, category stats from last season are helpful as well.

I just wanted to start a more deeper dive into each team. My first impression was that Memphis, Cincy, Temple, and UConn sre the ACC’s best teams. Won’t settle on a top four tier till after final rostsr’s are set some non-conference games are played.

Learn the rools here noob: You can't diss WSU hoops without equal time to Memphis.

(09-08-2019 06:23 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:14 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 11:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  In summary. Temple is winning the league based on one single stat. Sorry Memphis, it wasn't meant to be

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Not saying that all but can understand why you that impression.

Just pointing out that one needs to start the process of evaluating teams is to look at them offensive weapons each team is returning. Also, should consider the defensive skills of players returning to each team. Next is to look at incoming players. We’ll learn about them from
videos and when the season begins. Also, category stats from last season are helpful as well.

I just wanted to start a more deeper dive into each team. My first impression was that Memphis, Cincy, Temple, and UConn sre the ACC’s best teams. Won’t settle on a top four tier till after final rostsr’s are set some non-conference games are played.

Learn the rools here noob: You can't diss WSU hoops without equal time to Memphis.

Memphis has revamped it’s roster with a high-quality incoming freshman class whose scrimmages will be more competitive than most teams they will compete against. But still a young team where most haven’t played a college game, and some of their recruits are not as good as advertised. Do like Baugh and Quinones a lot. And looking forward to seeing Wiseman and Jeffers play. Just added Stokes another big transfer from Florida. He’s eligible to play this season.

(05-31-2019 04:56 PM)rosewater Wrote:  1. Uconn Look better on paper all the time
2. Cincy Enough left over for a second
3. Memphis Growing pains
4. USF Would be one but no history
5. Houston Will struggle replacing their guard play
6. Temple solid team needs another player
7. Wichita Too young, will win a few they should not
8. Smu Could do much better
9. Tulsa
10.ECu
11. Ucf
12 Tulane

Temple doesn’t need another player as transfer James Scott is a good replacement for Shizz Alston, as he averaged over 20 points playing against Texas Tech, Butler, and Washingon, and averaged shooting 42.5 percent on three’s in his last full month of competition. They’ve also added D.Dunn who will have an impact.

Temple does need to keep AAC opponents from shooting 52 percent on 2’s last season in conference play as opponents did last season. That should not occur this season as Temple’s undersized Center has departed, and Temple’s two returning true bigs, D.Moore and Hamilton, who played sparingly last season, should be able to defend the rim better.

Temple also needs to get more players involved in the offense, as they had good shooters last season who were under utilized.

Don’t think we’ll win the league but I would definitely be surprised if both Jake Forrester and Tai Strickland get their waivers and we didn’t at least make the tournament.

(09-08-2019 07:38 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:23 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:14 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 11:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  In summary. Temple is winning the league based on one single stat. Sorry Memphis, it wasn't meant to be

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Not saying that all but can understand why you that impression.

Just pointing out that one needs to start the process of evaluating teams is to look at them offensive weapons each team is returning. Also, should consider the defensive skills of players returning to each team. Next is to look at incoming players. We’ll learn about them from
videos and when the season begins. Also, category stats from last season are helpful as well.

I just wanted to start a more deeper dive into each team. My first impression was that Memphis, Cincy, Temple, and UConn sre the ACC’s best teams. Won’t settle on a top four tier till after final rostsr’s are set some non-conference games are played.

Learn the rools here noob: You can't diss WSU hoops without equal time to Memphis.

Memphis has revamped it’s roster with a high-quality incoming freshman class whose scrimmages will be more competitive than most teams they will compete against. But still a young team where most haven’t played a college game, and some of their recruits are not as good as advertised. Do like Baugh and Quinones a lot. And looking forward to seeing Wiseman and Jeffers play. Just added Stokes another big transfer from Florida. He’s eligible to play this season.

It is news to me. Could you please share your source? His bulk will come in handy - especially if Dandridge is out.

(09-08-2019 08:18 AM)TuffOwl Wrote:  Don’t think we’ll win the league but I would definitely be surprised if both Jake Forrester and Tai Strickland get their waivers and we didn’t at least make the tournament.

Doubt both will. Forester needs development, Strickland can shoot the three-ball, not sure what else he does well. Regardless if either waiver granted, barring injuries, Temple should make the NCAA tournament.

(09-06-2019 07:45 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 03:12 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  1. Memphis (NCAA)
2. Houston (NCAA)
3. Cincy (NCAA)
4. Tulane (NCAA)
5. UCONN (NIT)
6. Temple (NIT)
7. USF (NIT)
8. WSU
9. SMU
10. ECU
11. UCF
12. Tulsa(MVC tournery)

This post has a nice blend of serious, objective prediction and trolling. I applaud.

He did go to Tulane.

(09-08-2019 07:38 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:23 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:14 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 11:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  In summary. Temple is winning the league based on one single stat. Sorry Memphis, it wasn't meant to be

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Not saying that all but can understand why you that impression.

Just pointing out that one needs to start the process of evaluating teams is to look at them offensive weapons each team is returning. Also, should consider the defensive skills of players returning to each team. Next is to look at incoming players. We’ll learn about them from
videos and when the season begins. Also, category stats from last season are helpful as well.

I just wanted to start a more deeper dive into each team. My first impression was that Memphis, Cincy, Temple, and UConn sre the ACC’s best teams. Won’t settle on a top four tier till after final rostsr’s are set some non-conference games are played.

Learn the rools here noob: You can't diss WSU hoops without equal time to Memphis.

Memphis has revamped it’s roster with a high-quality incoming freshman class whose scrimmages will be more competitive than most teams they will compete against. But still a young team where most haven’t played a college game, and some of their recruits are not as good as advertised. Do like Baugh and Quinones a lot. And looking forward to seeing Wiseman and Jeffers play. Just added Stokes another big transfer from Florida. He’s eligible to play this season.

Show some guts and join me in picking the Tigers last because some of our recruits aren't as good as advertised. You know you want to.

(09-08-2019 09:09 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 07:38 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 06:23 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(09-08-2019 12:14 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-07-2019 11:10 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  In summary. Temple is winning the league based on one single stat. Sorry Memphis, it wasn't meant to be

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Not saying that all but can understand why you that impression.

Just pointing out that one needs to start the process of evaluating teams is to look at them offensive weapons each team is returning. Also, should consider the defensive skills of players returning to each team. Next is to look at incoming players. We’ll learn about them from
videos and when the season begins. Also, category stats from last season are helpful as well.

I just wanted to start a more deeper dive into each team. My first impression was that Memphis, Cincy, Temple, and UConn sre the ACC’s best teams. Won’t settle on a top four tier till after final rostsr’s are set some non-conference games are played.

Learn the rools here noob: You can't diss WSU hoops without equal time to Memphis.

Memphis has revamped it’s roster with a high-quality incoming freshman class whose scrimmages will be more competitive than most teams they will compete against. But still a young team where most haven’t played a college game, and some of their recruits are not as good as advertised. Do like Baugh and Quinones a lot. And looking forward to seeing Wiseman and Jeffers play. Just added Stokes another big transfer from Florida. He’s eligible to play this season.

Show some guts and join me in picking the Tigers last because some of our recruits aren't as good as advertised. You know you want to.

All the newcomers for the teams in the AAC will be better than advertised with the exception of Memphis. Wiseman and Achiuwa will be benched before the start of league play, but will still be lottery picks. Penny will be fired mid-season.

I’ll just be real.

Temple’s culture over the last 5 years was the worst in the league for a team with all that talent. Mckie was on the bench for that. He maybe just as much the problem as dunphy.


Temple always has on paper talent. And yet it’s the culture part of the game that they seem to never have. Always out toughed, always low IQ, always bad rebounders.

Mckie better have a better culture and value what the 2 best teams in the league have been valuing over the last few years: defense & rebounding.




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Aflakpui was top 75 in both offensive and defensive rebounding. He was the only respectable rebounder on the team.

UC will rebound, Memphis will rebound, Houston will rebound (and foul you 10 times trying to do it). If temple is going to win, they better find someone to grab some boards.

Temple was bad last year in rebounding. And with out their best rebounder, it’s hard to understand how they get better


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(09-08-2019 09:22 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I’ll just be real.

Temple’s culture over the last 5 years was the worst in the league for a team with all that talent. Mckie was on the bench for that. He maybe just as much the problem as dunphy.


Temple always has on paper talent. And yet it’s the culture part of the game that they seem to never have. Always out toughed, always low IQ, always bad rebounders.

Mckie better have a better culture and value what the 2 best teams in the league have been valuing over the last few years: defense & rebounding.

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Not true about the talent. Dunphy couldn’t recruit Philly to save his life or his job. His 100’s of recruiting swings and misses are legendary on North Broad. The culture part is true though, just wasn’t good enough all around.

His failures were disguised in the very forgiving A10 but he was pretty much exposed immediately in the much tougher AAC.