Miggy you keep bringing up scoring like that is the only decidng factor to winning.....temple and wichita have completely different holes

ill start by saying i dont buy the monty scott hype to the level you are..he was less than impressive in the bahamas and has been with the team for over a year so it shouldnt have been some big adjustment...i think he will start, i think he will contribute...he wont be close to anything like a star like shizz..

wichita..
they have big offensive question marks...but those question marks could easily be answered by their freshman..Wichita has tons of shooters and post scorers, they just need someone dynamic to draw defenders and drive/pass..create shoots for himself ...that is literally the scouting report for the 3 freshman guards theyve brought in..its going to be about how ready they are

but talking about Wichita losing its top 2 scorers, Wichita went to the NIT final 4 not because of offense but because of off defense, with every defensive piece is returning

instead of looking at what they dont have, look at what they do have. they have the best depth at the center spot in the conference, top defensive guards, a lots of 3pt shooters ...defense and rebounding will not be a question mark for Wichita which is a great place to start

temple
they have stars..NPL and Rose IMO are essential locks for all conference ..they are the opposite of Wichita.. they have the dynamic star players its the pieces around that need to be built

defense (in the post) and rebounding will be a huge question marks for temple.. neither of which we are sure were answered this off-season


you said "Don’t see either Houston nor WSU rosters being as deep in talent"
if i had a player draft between both teams...id probably take NPL and rose 1 and 2...but the next 6 or 7 could be all Wichita players

(09-06-2019 02:57 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  Classic "my team got way better with new guys and your teams new guys will probably suck."

Seems harsh, but I’m glad you’re not living in denial.

(09-06-2019 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  Miggy you keep bringing up scoring like that is the only decidng factor to winning.....temple and wichita have completely different holes

ill start by saying i dont buy the monty scott hype to the level you are..he was less than impressive in than bahamas and has been with the team for over a year so it shouldnt have been some big adjustment...i think he will start, i think he will contribute...he wont be close to anything like a star like shizz..

wichita..
they have big offensive question marks...but those question marks could easily be answered by their freshman..Wichita has tons of shooters and post scorers, they just need someone dynamic to draw defenders and drive/pass..create shoots for himself ...that is literally the scouting report for the 3 freshman guards theyve brought in..its going to be about ready they are

but talking about Wichita losing its top 2 scorers, Wichita went to the NIT final 4 not because of offense but because of off defense with every defensive piece is returning

instead of looking at what they dont have look at what they do have. they have the best depth at the center spot in the conference, top defensive guards, a lots of 3pt shooters ...defense and rebounding will not be a question mark for wichita which is a great place to start

temple
they have stars..NPL and Rose IMO are essential locks for all conference ..they are the opposite of Wichita.. they have the dynamic star players its the pieces around that need to be built

defense (in the post) and rebounding will be a huge question marks for temple.. neither of which we are sure were answered this off-season


you said "Don’t see either Houston nor WSU rosters being as deep in talent"
if i had a player draft between both teams...id probably take NPL and rose 1 and 2...but the next 6 or 7 could be all Wichita players

We were discussing the loss of offensive players, so I addressed only that issue.

As for James Scott, Temple’s HC McKie has been raving about his offense.
And while it’s fashionable to put down his prior school, such is misplaced, as top-ten Virginia Tech recruited him heavily to transfer there. Also, he’s being outstanding in Temple scrimmages this past years.

You’ll have plenty of opportunity to compare Scott to Alston. Both are fine players. Scott is quicker. Will be able to compare him to WSU players as well.

Scott shoots three’s well and can get to the hoop. Also makes steals.

Not as impressed as you are with Wichita State mens bb team. Don’t see enough talent. Loss of two biggest scorers too much to overcome. Still a young team that should wind-up in the middle of the pack. They shot 2’s and 3’s poorly last year, didn’t get to the foul-line, and didn’t have a positive turnover ratio, nor make many steals. They have a lot of offensive areas to improve on. Significantly. they don’t create extra scoring opportunities by committing far fewer turnovers than opponents do. Nor do they get to the foul-line more than their opponents do.

Don’t think all the incoming players are that good. Gordon nothing special. Do like Sherfield and Bilau.

Returning players not impressive. Wichita State’s Dennis is a good three-point shooter, but not a good two-point shooter, nor does he get to the foul-line. Stevenson only shot 27 percent on three’s, Burton 26 percent on three’s. Returning players hardly blow me away.

Hope WSU young players do well. Let the season begin and we’ll see who’s right.

(09-06-2019 05:11 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 04:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  Miggy you keep bringing up scoring like that is the only decidng factor to winning.....temple and wichita have completely different holes

ill start by saying i dont buy the monty scott hype to the level you are..he was less than impressive in than bahamas and has been with the team for over a year so it shouldnt have been some big adjustment...i think he will start, i think he will contribute...he wont be close to anything like a star like shizz..

wichita..
they have big offensive question marks...but those question marks could easily be answered by their freshman..Wichita has tons of shooters and post scorers, they just need someone dynamic to draw defenders and drive/pass..create shoots for himself ...that is literally the scouting report for the 3 freshman guards theyve brought in..its going to be about ready they are

but talking about Wichita losing its top 2 scorers, Wichita went to the NIT final 4 not because of offense but because of off defense with every defensive piece is returning

instead of looking at what they dont have look at what they do have. they have the best depth at the center spot in the conference, top defensive guards, a lots of 3pt shooters ...defense and rebounding will not be a question mark for wichita which is a great place to start

temple
they have stars..NPL and Rose IMO are essential locks for all conference ..they are the opposite of Wichita.. they have the dynamic star players its the pieces around that need to be built

defense (in the post) and rebounding will be a huge question marks for temple.. neither of which we are sure were answered this off-season


you said "Don’t see either Houston nor WSU rosters being as deep in talent"
if i had a player draft between both teams...id probably take NPL and rose 1 and 2...but the next 6 or 7 could be all Wichita players

We were discussing loss and impact of offensive players, So I addressed that issue.

As for James Scott, Temple’s HC McKie has been raving about his offense.
And while it’s fashionable to put down his prior school, such is misplaced, as top-ten Virginia Tech recruited him heavily to transfer there.

You’ll have plenty of opportunity to compare Scott to Alston. Both are fine players. Scott is quicker. Will be able to compare him to WSU players as well.

Scott shoots three’s well and can get to the hoop. Wichita State’s Dennis is a good three-point shooter, but not a good two point shooter nor does he get to the foul-line. Stevenson only shot 27 percent on three’s, Burton 26 percent on three’s.

Hope WSU young players do well. Let the season begin and we’ll see who’s right.

Your comparison ignore the fact that Scott's games were against ~300 SOS while Dennis, Stevenson, and Burton were against a tough SOS. Which means they aren't comparable at all. Yet again, your best comparison is Cane Broome. Came from a similar level team as Scott, played against a similar level of competition, put up way better numbers than Scott yet still only managed to be a role player averaging single digits. That's your likely outcome for Scott.

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I think Memphis, Wichita State, Houston, and USF will meet in the Final Four after eliminating Tulsa, Temple, SMU, and UConn in the Elite Eight....... Pin IT!

Scott shot the lights out against NCAA tournament bound teams. Look it up. That’s why Virginia Tech and other high-majors wanted him. Virginia Tech wanted him to play against other ACC teams.

Temple is a deep team and has quite a few impact players.

(09-06-2019 05:11 PM)Miggy Wrote:  We were discussing loss and impact of offensive players, So I addressed that issue.

As for James Scott, Temple’s HC McKie has been raving about his offense.
And while it’s fashionable to put down his prior school, such is misplaced, as top-ten Virginia Tech recruited him heavily to transfer there.

You’ll have plenty of opportunity to compare Scott to Alston. Both are fine players. Scott is quicker. Will be able to compare him to WSU players as well.

Scott shoots three’s well and can get to the hoop. Wichita State’s Dennis is a good three-point shooter, but not a good two point shooter nor does he get to the foul-line. Stevenson only shot 27 percent on three’s, Burton 26 percent on three’s.

Hope WSU young players do well. Let the season begin and we’ll see who’s right.

ive listen to 3 interviews with aaron ..and he talked about Scott in all 3, none were raving, mostly just noted that he likes to score..1 he was critical of him as a defender ...
in the Goodman interviews after the Bahamas trip, goodman asked him about the best players and standouts he makes no mention of Scott anywhere

again shizz was an all-conference player averaging 20pts a game...beside fandom what indications do you have on scott that he'll be anywhere near there??? no high scoring player from a bad team in a lower conference has lived up to the same level of success in the aac after transferring yet.. (including 24pt per cane broome, who only did 8 at cincy)
he just played 3 games 3 weeks ago, he averaged 9pts a game despite over 23 mins a game and might i add very inefficiently...but in 3 months he'll be dominant?

id honestly buy what you were selling if you said the improvement NPL is what will replace shizz..i dont buy the scott hype to your level...

but like you said we will see throughout the season.....just so you know where i stand so you can serve me crow at the end of the season... i think grimes and dexter are better than scott

1. Hou
2. Mem
3. UC
4. USF
5.Temp
6.WSU
7.UConn
8.ECU
9.SMU
10.Tulane
11.Tulsa
12.UCF

(09-06-2019 05:48 PM)indydoug Wrote:  1. Hou
2. Mem
3. UC
4. USF
5.Temp
6.WSU
7.UConn
8.ECU
9.SMU
10.Tulane
11.Tulsa
12.UCF

Wow.... this is the dumbest ranking I think I've ever seen.

(09-06-2019 05:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 05:11 PM)Miggy Wrote:  We were discussing loss and impact of offensive players, So I addressed that issue.

As for James Scott, Temple’s HC McKie has been raving about his offense.
And while it’s fashionable to put down his prior school, such is misplaced, as top-ten Virginia Tech recruited him heavily to transfer there.

You’ll have plenty of opportunity to compare Scott to Alston. Both are fine players. Scott is quicker. Will be able to compare him to WSU players as well.

Scott shoots three’s well and can get to the hoop. Wichita State’s Dennis is a good three-point shooter, but not a good two point shooter nor does he get to the foul-line. Stevenson only shot 27 percent on three’s, Burton 26 percent on three’s.

Hope WSU young players do well. Let the season begin and we’ll see who’s right.

ive listen to 3 interviews with aaron ..and he talked about Scott in all 3, none were raving, mostly just noted that he likes to score..1 he was critical of him as a defender ...
in the Goodman interviews after the Bahamas trip, goodman asked him about the best players and standouts he makes no mention of Scott anywhere

again shizz was an all-conference player averaging 20pts a game...beside fandom what indications do you have on scott that he'll be anywhere near there??? no high scoring player from a bad team in a lower conference has lived up to the same level of success in the aac after transferring yet.. (including 24pt per cane broome, who only did 8 at cincy)
he just played 3 games 3 weeks ago, he averaged 9pts a game despite over 23 mins a game and might i add very inefficiently...but in 3 months he'll be dominant?

id honestly buy what you were selling if you said the improvement NPL is what will replace shizz..i dont buy the scott hype to your level...

but like you said we will see throughout the season.....just so you know where i stand so you can serve me crow at the end of the season... i think grimes and dexter are better than scott

Enjoy your posts. Suggest you listen again to McKie and other coach’s interviews regarding Scott. All said Scott can get and score from anywhere on court. My understanding he wasn’t in Bahamas to work on scoring points.

Scott could score as many points as Alston did, but don’t think that will be necessary. At least I hope it’s not. In one team scrimmage he scored 30 points in 30 minutes.

Do fear that NPL will try to score a lot of points. That’s not his game. I fully expect NPL and Rose to shoot very efficiently this season.

Won’t make you eat crow. Sure we’ll both fess-up to the truth.

(09-06-2019 05:48 PM)indydoug Wrote:  1. Hou
2. Mem
3. UC
4. USF
5.Temp
6.WSU
7.UConn
8.ECU
9.SMU
10.Tulane
11.Tulsa
12.UCF

WoW...

(09-06-2019 05:51 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 05:48 PM)indydoug Wrote:  1. Hou
2. Mem
3. UC
4. USF
5.Temp
6.WSU
7.UConn
8.ECU
9.SMU
10.Tulane
11.Tulsa
12.UCF

Wow.... this is the dumbest ranking I think I've ever seen.

I agree. Tulsa should be 12th.

(09-06-2019 03:12 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  1. Memphis (NCAA)
2. Houston (NCAA)
3. Cincy (NCAA)
4. Tulane (NCAA)
5. UCONN (NIT)
6. Temple (NIT)
7. USF (NIT)
8. WSU
9. SMU
10. ECU
11. UCF
12. Tulsa(MVC tournery)

This post has a nice blend of serious, objective prediction and trolling. I applaud.

From an offensive point of view and in conference play only, Temple has the most players returning whose Total Shooting Percentage (combining 2-point, 3-point, and FT percentages) that exceeded a 55 percent TSP.

Temple has 5 such players returning; Houston and UConn have 4 such players returning; WSU and USF has 3 such players returning; UCF has 1 such player returning: and Cinn has 0 such players returning. Some teams have players returning that fall between 50-55 TSP.

So one should consider the above in starting to determine which teams do and do not have offensive depth. New players will need to be considered as they develop a TSP. Minutes played by these returning players should also be considered as well as other players who have TSP’s between 50-55 percent. See Men’s bb, Sports Reference, advanced stats for each school.

(09-06-2019 08:10 PM)Miggy Wrote:  From an offensive point of view and in conference play only, Temple has the most players returning whose Total Shooting Percentage (combining 2-point, 3-point, and FT percentages) that exceeded a 55 percent TSP.

Temple has 5 such players returning; Houston and UConn have 4 such players returning; WSU and USF has 3 such players returning; UCF has 1 such player returning: and Cinn has 0 such players returning. Some teams have players returning that fall between 50-55 TSP.

So one should consider the above in starting to determine which teams do and do not have offensive depth. New players will need to be considered as they develop a TSP. Minutes played by these returning players should also be considered as well as other players who have TSP’s between 50-55 percent. See Men’s bb, Sports Reference, advanced stats for each school.

If Cincinnati has zero such players I'm not sure there is a ton of value in the state. Cincinnati is returning the AAC player of the year.

(09-06-2019 08:10 PM)Miggy Wrote:  From an offensive point of view and in conference play only, Temple has the most players returning whose Total Shooting Percentage (combining 2-point, 3-point, and FT percentages) that exceeded a 55 percent TSP.

Temple has 5 such players returning; Houston and UConn have 4 such players returning; WSU and USF has 3 such players returning; UCF has 1 such player returning: and Cinn has 0 such players returning. Some teams have players returning that fall between 50-55 TSP.

So one should consider the above in starting to determine which teams do and do not have offensive depth. New players will need to be considered as they develop a TSP. Minutes played by these returning players should also be considered as well as other players who have TSP’s between 50-55 percent. See Men’s bb, Sports Reference, advanced stats for each school.

true shooting doesnt account for a players ability to get the Line and get points from the free throw line
which is a significant part of offense

as noted if you look at cumberland pure shooting numbers/percentages arent that high, the magic sauce for him is getting to the line an insane amount of times and drawing fouls

the is also the same for usf as a team, i think they were top 5 in the nation in drawing fouls..
and i suspect if grimes plays next season that will be his calling card aswell

(09-06-2019 08:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 08:10 PM)Miggy Wrote:  From an offensive point of view and in conference play only, Temple has the most players returning whose Total Shooting Percentage (combining 2-point, 3-point, and FT percentages) that exceeded a 55 percent TSP.

Temple has 5 such players returning; Houston and UConn have 4 such players returning; WSU and USF has 3 such players returning; UCF has 1 such player returning: and Cinn has 0 such players returning. Some teams have players returning that fall between 50-55 TSP.

So one should consider the above in starting to determine which teams do and do not have offensive depth. New players will need to be considered as they develop a TSP. Minutes played by these returning players should also be considered as well as other players who have TSP’s between 50-55 percent. See Men’s bb, Sports Reference, advanced stats for each school.

true shooting doesnt account for a players ability to get the Line and get points from the free throw line
which is a significant part of offense

as noted if you look at cumberland pure shooting numbers/percentages arent that high, the magic sauce for him is getting to the line an insane amount of times and drawing fouls

the is also the same for usf as a team, i think they were top 5 in the nation in drawing fouls..
and i suspect if grimes plays next season that will be his calling card aswell

What the number of players returning to teams with good Total Shooting Percentage shows is that basically defensive minded teams like Cincinnati, UCF and USF, have few good offensive players returning and will need to hoop new recruits play a lot and shoot well if they are to catch up with more offensive minded teams.

Yes, Cincinnati has Cumberland returning who who has a TSP of 52.9. Yet, not counted among Temple TSP leaders was Quentin Rose, who had a 50.4 TSP. which should rise dramatically with Temple playing more up-tempo bb. You’re correct that Cumberland did shoot two’s poorly, and that offset his taking 7 plus foul shots per game in conference play.

Yes, Cinn has a good scorer in Cumberland’s cousin coming in, but Temple has a good shooter in Scott joining the roster. Am impressed by freshman Zack Harvey. Not impressed with transfer PG McNeal. Do see Cinn increasing it’s scoring punch with their new recruits.

Temple, Cinn, and UCF, all made foul shots in close proximity to each other in conference play. Neither Cinn nor UCF picked up points over Temple at the foul line last season.

Yes, USF went to the foul line a lot but they were a very poor foul shooting team, and most of their players are returning.

So based on just players returning Cinn, UCF and USF may well average more than 70 points as they did last season, With Temple returning good shooters, don’t see Temple averaging less than 75 ppg as they did last year. Cinn will definitely average more than 70 points with the addition of new players.

UCF and Houston will also struggle to improve their scoring, as UCF lost Taylor, Dawkins and Fall, all
good offensive players, and Houston lost three good scorers in Davis, Brooks, and Robinson. WSU also will struggle as they lost two scorers who combined for 30 ppg.

If Grimes is granted a waiver to play, he’s still only a 40 percent foul shooter in conference play, and only went to the foul-line an average of once every 27 mpg he played for Kansas.

(09-06-2019 10:09 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Yes, Cinn has a good scorer in Cumberland’s cousin coming in, but Temple has a good shooter in Scott joining the roster. Do see Cinn increasing it’s scoring punch with their new recruits.

Yes, USF went to the foul line a lot but they were a very poor foul shooting team, and most of their players are returning.

So.based on just players returning there is little reason to anticipate Cinn, UCF or USF averaging more than 70 points than they did last season, nor Temple averaging less than 75 points than they did last year.

UCF and Houston will also struggle to improve their scoring, as UCF lost Taylor, Dawkins and Fall, who were good offensive players, and Houston lost three good scorers. WSU also will struggle as they lost two scorers who combined for 30 ppg.

If Grimes granted a waiver to play, he’s still only a 60 percent foul shooter, and only went to the foul-line an average of once every 27 mpg he played for Kansas.

honest question did you watch many other aac games when it wasnt temple related?

but ill address a few of out points

1) Cincy is completely changing its offensive system, to what brannen calls "94 feet"..which is a super fast tempo offense....ill be shocked if they average less than 70..there is heavy reason to anticpate they will score more than 70

2) dawkins for UCF already said they ran such a slow pace because of their personnel last year (tacko couldn't run up and down the court) the anticipate they will be more of an offensive team this year with a faster pace...on paper UCF has the best 3pt shooting back court int he conference (ingram, milan and bertz)...im wont guarantee but them doing over 70 wouldnt shock me

3) USF's freethrow % is bad and were STILL 2nd in the nation in made free throws, imagine that would have looked like if they making it...the overwhelming majority of their players last season were underclassman/1st year players who will get better..
and they also added top 100 transfer zach dawson, who will likely be their #2 offensive threat based on their foreign trip
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baske...ack-dawson

4) its wierd..you are new here but its funny literally last season we were having debates about how galen robinson wasnt good on offense, and corey davis was just a spot shooter..now they players that will be hard to replace on offense..
houston will be worse 3pt shooting team but the most taleted offensive players are still on roster

5) grimes has played 5 scrimmages for UH (red white scrimmage/ 4 foreign games) he has shot 25 fts in those at over 80%..not as worried about his FT%...also he didnt take many free throws at kansas...mentioned this earlier, Kansas had grimes as a spot shooter away from the ball. houston will use him more as a play maker...he drew 80% of the fouls in the open scrimmage for all team ..and by far the most fouls drawn in the foreign games

(09-06-2019 11:04 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 10:09 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Yes, Cinn has a good scorer in Cumberland’s cousin coming in, but Temple has a good shooter in Scott joining the roster. Do see Cinn increasing it’s scoring punch with their new recruits.

Yes, USF went to the foul line a lot but they were a very poor foul shooting team, and most of their players are returning.

So.based on just players returning there is little reason to anticipate Cinn, UCF or USF averaging more than 70 points than they did last season, nor Temple averaging less than 75 points than they did last year.

UCF and Houston will also struggle to improve their scoring, as UCF lost Taylor, Dawkins and Fall, who were good offensive players, and Houston lost three good scorers. WSU also will struggle as they lost two scorers who combined for 30 ppg.

If Grimes granted a waiver to play, he’s still only a 60 percent foul shooter, and only went to the foul-line an average of once every 27 mpg he played for Kansas.

honest question did you watch many other aac games when it wasnt temple related?

but ill address a few of out points

1) Cincy is completely changing its offensive system, to what brannen calls "94 feet"..which is a super fast tempo offense....ill be shocked if they average less than 70..there is heavy reason to anticpate they will score more than 70

2) dawkins for UCF already said they ran such a slow pace because of their personnel last year (tacko couldn't run up and down the court) the anticipate they will be more of an offensive team this year with a faster pace...on paper UCF has the best 3pt shooting back court int he conference (ingram, milan and bertz)...im wont guarantee but them doing over 70 wouldnt shock me

3) USF's freethrow % is bad and were STILL 2nd in the nation in made free throws, imagine that would have looked like if they making it...the overwhelming majority of their players last season were underclassman/1st year players who will get better..
and they also added top 100 transfer zach dawson, who will likely be their #2 offensive threat based on their foreign trip
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/baske...ack-dawson

4) its wierd..you are new here but its funny literally last season we were having debates about how galen robinson wasnt good on offense, and corey davis was just a spot shooter..now they players that will be hard to replace on offense..
houston will be worse 3pt shooting team but the most taleted offensive players are still on roster

5) grimes has played 5 scrimmages for UH (red white scrimmage/ 4 foreign games) he has shot 25 fts in those at over 80%..not as worried about his FT%...also he didnt take many free throws at kansas...mentioned this earlier, Kansas had grimes as a spot shooter away from the ball. houston will use him more as a play maker...he drew 80% of the fouls in the open scrimmage for all team ..and by far the most fouls drawn in the foreign games

Answering your question, I watched almost all games that Temple played against it’s conference opponents, and approximately five games that AAC opponents played against teams other than Temple.

I was just pointing out that except for Cumberland, most of it’s returning players aren’t very good shooters. Jenifer is a big loss. Cumberland’s cousin is a good replacement. I made it clear that Cincy new players are going to allow Cincy to score more point, and am aware the new coach is going to play a more-uptempo game. One reason I placed Cincy in my top tier of four teams in the conference.

As for UCF, they lost over 31 points per game in scoring from Dawkins and Taylor who were both excellent shooters. Fall is also a huge loss. Don’t think that will be easily replaced. Yes, they have some good three-point shooters, but two of those three point shooters took few three’s. Not ready to annoint them as a top tier team. They have only one player returning who was an overall good shooter.

Don’t see any reason for much optimism in USF. Yes, they have three good returning shooters, and a good shooter coming in. Don’t think that’s enough the talent level of other teams in the conference. I saw a few of USF’s games, and was not impressed. For me, a young team shooting foul-shots poorly is not a good sign. That should have been addressed when the player’s were in high school. But, maybe they will improve.

I saw a few of Houston’s games. I think the three players they lost were big-time scorers who shot the ball very efficiently. Yes, they have two good players returning in Jarreau and Hinton, and if Grimes joins them, that will make a difference, but I still think they will fall short of where they were last year.

I like Temple’s chances as it will have 5 players back that have high Total Shooting Percentages, and will be joined by Rose, Scott, and Dunn, who can all stroke the ball, and should shoot efficiently in Tdmple’s new up-tempo offense.,They’ll be joined by freshman JPL who is a lockdown defender, as his brother NPL.

The teams I see at the top of the AAC leader board are Cincy, Memphis, Temple, and UConn. All but Temple face the problem of gelling given all the new recruits.

like we'll said we'll have to wait till the season..

as far as houston..not to seem like a homer, houston was tier higher than everyone else in the aac last season (other aac coaches said this) ..even falling some shouldn't put us out of the top 4...
and personally i don't think houston falling, i think houston will be better than last season (not record wise, talking quality of the team wise)

Sampson said he came into last season thinking dejon and fabian were supposed to be our top 2 scorers Last season..sampson still says he is shocked how good we were after both got injured before the season and came back sluggish after missing games (how corey an galen stepped up)..he has never denied our backups (this years players) were the most talented on roster, and it multiple times in interviews

if grimes is eligible all 3 starting guards will be 6'5+, dejon with super long arms, and nate/grimes extremely muscular. all former elite recruits all now experienced...all 3 talked about as nba draft picks .....at the 4, is where we are deepest. Sampson called fabian a "grown man" and a standout after the italian tour, now that he is in shape...and called justin gorham (transfer from towson) likely backup, "his dream 4"..who had multiple double double on foreign trip

our backup guards; include early enrollee caleb mills who sampson says is the best offensive recruit he has had at houston.....and the guy overlook by everyone including houston fans (becuase he didnt have fancy offers/rankings) marcus sasser, changed quick after he lead the team in scoring the 1st 3 games of the foreign tour ...(did 27pts a game in HS/werent sure it would translate..looks good early)

we were a top 10 rebounding team last year, sampson says we'll be better this yr..our huge guards likely also produce another top defense....and though 3pt shooting will be worse, houston will have a way more dynamic/driving offense

im not trying to change your mind about houston...just stating where i stand preseason, to see where we are at the end of the season....
you dont see houston top 4 even with grimes....i think houston is lock at top 4 irregardless...houston is fighting for a top 6 seed another sweet 16+ with grimes

as for usf, they have the most proven all-conference worthy players in the conference (rideau, collins, yetna) and could have more by seasons end..last season was the 1st year 75% of their roster was in gregorys system & started multiple freshman.. and still won the CBI in one of the biggest turn around in college basketball... next year 100% returns w/ everyone now familiar with gregory's system..including the top 100 4star they added (who was sitting on transfer rules)
if you dont seem see a reason to optimistic about usf you are blinded by your love for temple to realize how blatantly obvious it is to see USF's potential this season...

no offense i can tell you arent familiar with any other AAC teams besides google-able stats ...