(08-27-2019 04:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  There's a case to be made that a waiver is better than raiding CUSA, who then raids the Sun Belt, who then must obtain waivers of their own or bribe an Indy to join, etc

Sun Belt schools to CUSA is no longer a thing. More to lose than to gain these days.

(08-27-2019 09:50 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(08-27-2019 04:09 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(08-27-2019 03:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-27-2019 03:41 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The AAC plans one division and has applied for a wavier.

Quote:"We've already started the waiver process with the NCAA to be able to play a championship game with 11 teams and not have to play a round-robin," Aresco said. "We think playing 10 games is out of the question for all sorts of reasons. We also don't want to be forced to add a team and raid another conference. We also don't want to be forced to jettison a team. We would never do that."

A waiver denial may place pressure on the AAC to add a school.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...134054001/

Of course they want the waiver. There's no way they're going to get it though.

They want their cake for breakfast lunch and dinner. They want to keep their current ESPN contract, keep a championship game and not have to add anybody.

The AAC very well may get the waiver if they can just make the case of: 1.) They don't want disrupt every other conference and raid them for a 12th member and 2.) No Indys are viable or willing to join right now.

There's a case to be made that a waiver is better than raiding CUSA, who then raids the Sun Belt, who then must obtain waivers of their own or bribe an Indy to join, etc

Sun Belt schools to CUSA is no longer a thing. More to lose than to gain these days.

SBC-to-CUSA is not a thing because today's C-USA is the SBC. There's not SBC left.

I'm certain they get the waiver.

Per Commissioner Aresco:

"Our plan is to play with 11 teams, not to expand at this point. Whether we're going to use rankings or whether we're just going to go with conference records with a tiebreaker."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/...20Tools%20

I think they’ll likely get the waiver, at least on a temporary basis. CUSA and MAC both got a similar waiver for uneven divisions. I imagine that could be an option as well though not preferred.

(08-28-2019 08:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I think they’ll likely get the waiver, at least on a temporary basis. CUSA and MAC both got a similar waiver for uneven divisions. I imagine that could be an option as well though not preferred.

I dont think they’re planning on playing divisions though.

(08-28-2019 08:03 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  I think they’ll likely get the waiver, at least on a temporary basis. CUSA and MAC both got a similar waiver for uneven divisions. I imagine that could be an option as well though not preferred.

I dont think they’re planning on playing divisions though.

No, but if it came down to that or adding an unwanted addition they might. It seems a similar situation though so I don't think the NCAA will deny it. I think their non-disruption to other conferences argument will likely win over the NCAA. We'll see.

If the AAC does get the waiver it will make it that much harder for other conferences to get the access bowl bid because they would be putting their two best in the CCG.

You have to command your market to be legit. Do any CUSA schools actually dominate in their markets? Charlotte sure as hell doesn’t?

(08-28-2019 08:50 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  You have to command your market to be legit. Do any CUSA schools actually dominate in their markets? Charlotte sure as hell doesn’t?

Houston commands their market?

TCU commands their market?

Tulane commands their market?

Not sure "commanding your market" is an AAC membership "requirement".

Aresco doesn't make such an announcement unless he's certain it's guaranteed to get approved, if it hasn't already. I consider the topic of expansion closed until the expiration of the waiver (if there is any)

(08-28-2019 08:50 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  You have to command your market to be legit. Do any CUSA schools actually dominate in their markets? Charlotte sure as hell doesn’t?

I think we're getting closer to that then ever before. But still a strong VT contingent that will be rooted for another generation or 2.

https://twitter.com/NorfolkVA/status/116...4518718464

The local news channels are really doing a lot of coverage of ODU now as well. Some great stories and videos.

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If UCF gets invited to a P5 conference, which is likely, FIU will be the first to get the invite. Just like when we got invited to CUSA. Our potential is sky high given our location, academics, enrollment, recruiting etc.

You heard it here first.

(08-28-2019 03:37 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  If UCF gets invited to a P5 conference, which is likely, FIU will be the first to get the invite. Just like when we got invited to CUSA. Our potential is sky high given our location, academics, enrollment, recruiting etc.

You heard it here first.

I want what you smoke.

(08-28-2019 10:46 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Aresco doesn't make such an announcement unless he's certain it's guaranteed to get approved, if it hasn't already. I consider the topic of expansion closed until the expiration of the waiver (if there is any)

It's a certainty. Good for CUSA they will have the continuance of its programs in the conference. Let your rivalries continue to grow, its good news.

(08-28-2019 08:56 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 08:50 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  You have to command your market to be legit. Do any CUSA schools actually dominate in their markets? Charlotte sure as hell doesn’t?

Houston commands their market?

TCU commands their market?

Tulane commands their market?

Not sure "commanding your market" is an AAC membership "requirement".

We were told they do command their markets.

(08-28-2019 03:37 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  If UCF gets invited to a P5 conference, which is likely, FIU will be the first to get the invite. Just like when we got invited to CUSA. Our potential is sky high given our location, academics, enrollment, recruiting etc.

You heard it here first.

It's probably true. Should one of the two Florida programs leave AAC, they should look to replace it with another.

(08-28-2019 07:27 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:46 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Aresco doesn't make such an announcement unless he's certain it's guaranteed to get approved, if it hasn't already. I consider the topic of expansion closed until the expiration of the waiver (if there is any)

It's a certainty. Good for CUSA they will have the continuance of its programs in the conference. Let your rivalries continue to grow, its good news.

LOL. I'm pretty good at reading tea leaves.

I happen to think they are quite worried this won't work out. The American has to make it look like they are the victims here. "We did nothing wrong, and we want to ensure stability for all" is the take of a PR campaign which knows they need to get ahead and play the victim card.

So I happen to believe the American isn't going to get this waiver they so desperately desire.

(08-28-2019 09:46 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:27 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:46 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Aresco doesn't make such an announcement unless he's certain it's guaranteed to get approved, if it hasn't already. I consider the topic of expansion closed until the expiration of the waiver (if there is any)

It's a certainty. Good for CUSA they will have the continuance of its programs in the conference. Let your rivalries continue to grow, its good news.

LOL. I'm pretty good at reading tea leaves.

I happen to think they are quite worried this won't work out. The American has to make it look like they are the victims here. "We did nothing wrong, and we want to ensure stability for all" is the take of a PR campaign which knows they need to get ahead and play the victim card.

So I happen to believe the American isn't going to get this waiver they so desperately desire.

There's no way to objectively determine exactly what Aresco's strategy is here. I see some things, you see different things.

Doesn't change the fact that if the AAC is forced to expand for a CCG, neither Marshall nor USM are on the shortlist. Who knows, maybe Aresco is genuine about not wanting to disrupt other conferences and simply plugs UMass in. I'd be in favor of it just to see the meltdown on this board haha

(08-28-2019 05:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 03:37 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  If UCF gets invited to a P5 conference, which is likely, FIU will be the first to get the invite. Just like when we got invited to CUSA. Our potential is sky high given our location, academics, enrollment, recruiting etc.

You heard it here first.

I want what you smoke.

Didn't you write this same line when CUSA was looking for candidates?

(08-29-2019 10:04 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 09:46 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 07:27 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  

(08-28-2019 10:46 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Aresco doesn't make such an announcement unless he's certain it's guaranteed to get approved, if it hasn't already. I consider the topic of expansion closed until the expiration of the waiver (if there is any)

It's a certainty. Good for CUSA they will have the continuance of its programs in the conference. Let your rivalries continue to grow, its good news.

LOL. I'm pretty good at reading tea leaves.

I happen to think they are quite worried this won't work out. The American has to make it look like they are the victims here. "We did nothing wrong, and we want to ensure stability for all" is the take of a PR campaign which knows they need to get ahead and play the victim card.

So I happen to believe the American isn't going to get this waiver they so desperately desire.

There's no way to objectively determine exactly what Aresco's strategy is here. I see some things, you see different things.

Doesn't change the fact that if the AAC is forced to expand for a CCG, neither Marshall nor USM are on the shortlist. Who knows, maybe Aresco is genuine about not wanting to disrupt other conferences and simply plugs UMass in. I'd be in favor of it just to see the meltdown on this board haha

Why the unnecessary dig at Southern Miss and Marshall? I'm being very honest, I've been nothing but frank on the matter. I have no grand illusions of joining the American. We actually play football. You're not looking for football programs you're looking for markets.