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So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.
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(08-11-2019 12:14 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 11:36 AM)Broncos83 Wrote:  How do you NRA-ers continue to make this leap to banning ALL guns??? That’s just ridiculous. All I’m asking is for someone to make a reasonable case for why U.S. citizens should be able to legally or illegally possess weapons of war that can fire hundreds of bullets in a matter of seconds that out-man our police and security forces??? I’ve been waiting a long time to hear a reasonable argument. The “sport” argument is ridiculous, the 2nd amendment argument is ridiculous, the “good guys” prevent attacks argument is ridiculous. Sure gun crimes will likely never end but I guarantee they would be reduced over time as a result of certain obvious reforms. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good!

No foreign militaries would ever think twice about invading mainland US. Every street in every neighborhood would be a firefight with the millions of citizens with “weapons of war”. There would be an ambush around every corner. This was the real idea the forefathers we’re getting at. Letting the people protect their country in dire times. Our military is the best on earth, but could be beaten by a large coalition (Russia, China, etc..)

Like I mentioned earlier, you’re more likely to die in a heatwave vs mass killing. They are sadly part of our culture now and I’m afraid aren’t going away. Take away guns and they’ll use trucks, bombs, poisons, etc..

Yea they’re not going away, it’s just not realistic.
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Let's try to stop Americans from killing innocent Americans with weapons of war first, shall we?

We've got the military to protect us from Russia, China, North Korea.

Well, unless Trump remains Commander-in-chief perhaps.

I guess the latter goes for Global Warming-Climate Change too.
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Quote:Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment.

Does anyone (ever) seriously consider this?

There are actually four ways. (1) Both houses propose an amendment with a two-thirds vote, and three-fourths of the state legislatures approve. Twenty-six of the 27 amendments were approved in this manner. (2) Both houses propose an amendment with a two-thirds vote, and three-fourths of the states approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. Only the 21st Amendment, which repealed Prohibition, was passed in this manner. (3) Two-thirds of the state legislatures call on Congress to hold a constitutional convention, and three-fourths of the state legislatures approve the amendment. (4) Two-thirds of the state legislatures call on Congress to hold a constitutional convention, and three-fourths of the states approve the amendment via ratifying conventions.
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(08-11-2019 10:39 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 11:02 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  '34 NFA act. '94 Assault Weapons Ban. '68 GCA. Plus whatever else has passed in the past 50 years.

And, yet, ****'s still happening.....

The assault weapon ban was allowed to expire. But you knew that.

and it did a real good job, too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...00_-_1999)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...80%932000)
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(08-11-2019 01:52 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 10:39 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 11:02 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  '34 NFA act. '94 Assault Weapons Ban. '68 GCA. Plus whatever else has passed in the past 50 years.

And, yet, ****'s still happening.....

The assault weapon ban was allowed to expire. But you knew that.

and it did a real good job, too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...00_-_1999)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...80%932000)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30188421

Quote:RESULTS:
Assault rifles accounted for 430 or 85.8% of the total 501 mass-shooting fatalities reported (95% confidence interval, 82.8-88.9) in 44 mass-shooting incidents. Mass shootings in the United States accounted for an increasing proportion of all firearm-related homicides (coefficient for year, 0.7; p = 0.0003), with increment in year alone capturing over a third of the overall variance in the data (adjusted R = 0.3). In a linear regression model controlling for yearly trend, the federal ban period was associated with a statistically significant 9 fewer mass shooting related deaths per 10,000 firearm homicides (p = 0.03). Mass-shooting fatalities were 70% less likely to occur during the federal ban period (relative rate, 0.30; 95% confidence interval, 0.22-0.39).
CONCLUSION:
Mass-shooting related homicides in the United States were reduced during the years of the federal assault weapons ban of 1994 to 2004.
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(08-11-2019 12:25 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.

Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.
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(08-11-2019 05:12 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 01:52 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 10:39 AM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-10-2019 11:02 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  '34 NFA act. '94 Assault Weapons Ban. '68 GCA. Plus whatever else has passed in the past 50 years.

And, yet, ****'s still happening.....

The assault weapon ban was allowed to expire. But you knew that.

and it did a real good job, too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...00_-_1999)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma...80%932000)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30188421

Quote:RESULTS:
Assault rifles accounted for 430 or 85.8% of the total 501 mass-shooting fatalities reported (95% confidence interval, 82.8-88.9) in 44 mass-shooting incidents. Mass shootings in the United States accounted for an increasing proportion of all firearm-related homicides (coefficient for year, 0.7; p = 0.0003), with increment in year alone capturing over a third of the overall variance in the data (adjusted R = 0.3). In a linear regression model controlling for yearly trend, the federal ban period was associated with a statistically significant 9 fewer mass shooting related deaths per 10,000 firearm homicides (p = 0.03). Mass-shooting fatalities were 70% less likely to occur during the federal ban period (relative rate, 0.30; 95% confidence interval, 0.22-0.39).
CONCLUSION:
Mass-shooting related homicides in the United States were reduced during the years of the federal assault weapons ban of 1994 to 2004.

Complicated subject. Which data stream makes sense. Though I am for a ban on assault style weapons (those designed to kill humans) the evidence is sketchy at best in support of doing so. My objection is based on the ballistics involved and the high probability you will be killed if hit in a non lethal area.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...assault-w/
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(08-11-2019 05:34 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 12:25 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.

Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.

Read, and watch, the essay/video at the provided link. Should you choose not to, the BLUF is that there are 10 million people you'll have to kill as those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says. Those 10 million people won't go quietly....

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3441654

"Yes, it's 20 minutes. Watch it. Distribute it. Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts. Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable. No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally. Well, maybe. But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating. It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed. We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero. If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want. If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders. And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence. It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent. It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so."
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(08-11-2019 07:05 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 05:34 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 12:25 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.

Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.

Read, and watch, the essay/video at the provided link. Should you choose not to, the BLUF is that there are 10 million people you'll have to kill as those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says. Those 10 million people won't go quietly....

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3441654

"Yes, it's 20 minutes. Watch it. Distribute it. Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts. Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable. No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally. Well, maybe. But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating. It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed. We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero. If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want. If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders. And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence. It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent. It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so."

Your football iq is higher than most. This, however, is pure poppycock.

Responsible gun owners (I like to think I'm one) support reasonable restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms. Extremists support anarchy and guns are just an excuse.
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(08-11-2019 07:25 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 07:05 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 05:34 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 12:25 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.

Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.

Read, and watch, the essay/video at the provided link. Should you choose not to, the BLUF is that there are 10 million people you'll have to kill as those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says. Those 10 million people won't go quietly....

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3441654

"Yes, it's 20 minutes. Watch it. Distribute it. Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts. Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable. No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally. Well, maybe. But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating. It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed. We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero. If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want. If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders. And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence. It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent. It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so."

Your football iq is higher than most. This, however, is pure poppycock.

Responsible gun owners (I like to think I'm one) support reasonable restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms. Extremists support anarchy and guns are just an excuse.

You can call it "poppycock"; doesn't change anything. A rather large number of people will not comply. There is precedence, as well (NYs SAFE Act, Canadian firearms registration, California's latest gun law, Connecticut's weapon ban). Non-enforcement of those laws pretty much renders them pointless. Enforcing them? Means "door-to-door" search and seizure. Unlikely to sit well.
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(08-11-2019 07:25 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 07:05 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 05:34 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 12:25 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.

Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.

Read, and watch, the essay/video at the provided link. Should you choose not to, the BLUF is that there are 10 million people you'll have to kill as those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says. Those 10 million people won't go quietly....

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3441654

"Yes, it's 20 minutes. Watch it. Distribute it. Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts. Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable. No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally. Well, maybe. But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating. It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed. We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero. If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want. If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders. And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence. It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent. It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so."

Your football iq is higher than most. This, however, is pure poppycock.

Responsible gun owners (I like to think I'm one) support reasonable restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms. Extremists support anarchy and guns are just an excuse.

I own multiple guns.

I’m talking sensible gun laws which wouldn’t impact the people he’s claiming “will revolt”.

Empirically, I see those types at a Tanner and Trump rallies.

I’m not that concerned. After an hour of marching they’d break up to find the nearest McDonalds.
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(08-11-2019 08:36 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 07:25 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 07:05 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 05:34 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 12:25 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.

Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.

Read, and watch, the essay/video at the provided link. Should you choose not to, the BLUF is that there are 10 million people you'll have to kill as those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says. Those 10 million people won't go quietly....

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3441654

"Yes, it's 20 minutes. Watch it. Distribute it. Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts. Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable. No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally. Well, maybe. But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating. It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed. We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero. If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want. If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders. And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence. It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent. It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so."

Your football iq is higher than most. This, however, is pure poppycock.

Responsible gun owners (I like to think I'm one) support reasonable restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms. Extremists support anarchy and guns are just an excuse.

I own multiple guns.

I’m talking sensible gun laws which wouldn’t impact the people he’s claiming “will revolt”.

Empirically, I see those types at a Tanner and Trump rallies.

I’m not that concerned. After an hour of marching they’d break up to find the nearest McDonalds.

Then, by all means, have at it.
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(08-11-2019 09:10 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 08:36 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 07:25 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 07:05 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 05:34 PM)Rasser Wrote:  Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.

Read, and watch, the essay/video at the provided link. Should you choose not to, the BLUF is that there are 10 million people you'll have to kill as those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says. Those 10 million people won't go quietly....

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3441654

"Yes, it's 20 minutes. Watch it. Distribute it. Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts. Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable. No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally. Well, maybe. But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating. It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed. We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero. If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want. If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders. And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence. It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent. It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so."

Your football iq is higher than most. This, however, is pure poppycock.

Responsible gun owners (I like to think I'm one) support reasonable restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms. Extremists support anarchy and guns are just an excuse.

I own multiple guns.

I’m talking sensible gun laws which wouldn’t impact the people he’s claiming “will revolt”.

Empirically, I see those types at a Tanner and Trump rallies.

I’m not that concerned. After an hour of marching they’d break up to find the nearest McDonalds.

Then, by all means, have at it.

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(08-11-2019 07:05 PM)Brindlee2015 Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 05:34 PM)Rasser Wrote:  
(08-11-2019 12:25 PM)Broncos83 Wrote:  So now we’re counting on Joe Blow from Portage or Kazoo to use their assault weapon to protect us from foreign invaders? Not sure I get your point. I’ll take my chances with our military. Think it’s a serious time for redrafting our 2nd amendment. Times have evolved.

Sensible gun laws would not violate the intent of the 2nd amendment. They have have and even Scalia said we already had restrictions, hence our ability to not own certain arms. We have the ATF stood up and established to support those restrictions for a reason.

Read, and watch, the essay/video at the provided link. Should you choose not to, the BLUF is that there are 10 million people you'll have to kill as those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says. Those 10 million people won't go quietly....

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3441654

"Yes, it's 20 minutes. Watch it. Distribute it. Then enforce it.

If companies want to back those who advocate for and declare they will commit millions of murders they need to be put out of business -- lawfully, through irrevocable boycotts. Those who support or work for any organization or firm that lend support to those advocating for millions of murders need to become unemployed -- and permanently unemployable. No exceptions, no ifs, no ands and no buts.

There are those who say that there's a "cold civil war" going on right now culturally. Well, maybe. But the people on the left are not arguing for a "cold" civil war -- they are advocating, supporting and declaring intent to commit mass-murder, in America, on the scale of Rwanda -- or even Nazi Germany.

If someone tells you repeatedly and to your face that they intend to murder you what is your response? Do you actually associate with and buy products from those who state they are willing and intend to commit millions of murders to achieve a political goal?

That's what all those who support banning or registering any sort of firearm in America are actually stating. It is a fact that some percentage of Americans believe the words of the 2nd Amendment mean what they say: shall not be infringed. We can have whatever debate you wish on what percentage of Americans believe this but I am absolutely certain of one thing: It's not zero. If that figure is even 0.1% of the American population then a demand to ban any gun is a declaration of intent to murder 300,000 Americans to get what you want. If it's 1% then that number is 3.3 million murders. And if it's 3%? Then there are 10 million people who everyone that supports such a ban is stating they intend to murder simply because those individuals believe that the Constitution is not a dead letter and means exactly what it says.

Not a single one of the people arguing for "gun bans" or "gun registration" wants to actually reduce gun violence. It is an outrageous fraud to claim you're "against gun violence" when the actual position you are taking is that you're willing to murder millions of Americans to obtain a political goal.

That this declaration has not resulting in an immediate shooting war -- a civil war on our own soil -- is simply because with the exception of the criminally insane a simple declaration of intent to murder millions doesn't contain enough credibility for people to take it seriously.

It is a grave error to believe that this will continue beyond the point that the first people are actually murdered in furtherance of that declaration of intent. It is a further grave error, and one that can easily lead to an actual civil war with millions of Americans lying dead on both sides of the debate, for you to fail to point this fact out every time you hear such a phrase as "common sense" gun restrictions and take corrective action to demand that those who have and do adopt such positions declare their true intent in public -- that is, to force them to publicly admit their intention to murder all who disagree while accepting the social, economic and political consequences of doing so."

This is one of the most insane things I've ever read on this board.
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https://crimeresearch.org/2016/01/compar...frequency/[/i]

From 2009-2015 you were more likely to die in a mass shooting in France, Norway, Serbia, Belgium, Finland, and many more. So don’t tell me that gun control works.
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https://crimeresearch.org/2016/01/compar...frequency/[/i]

From 2009-2015 you were more likely to die in a mass shooting in France, Norway, Serbia, Belgium, Finland, and many more. So don’t tell me that gun control works.
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https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-gun-...omparisons

Some updated data from a reliable source. And yes, gun control works in countries that have it, I'll tell you that all day long pal.


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(08-12-2019 11:10 PM)Rasser Wrote:  https://crimeresearch.org/2016/01/compar...frequency/[/i]

From 2009-2015 you were more likely to die in a mass shooting in France, Norway, Serbia, Belgium, Finland, and many more. So don’t tell me that gun control works.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-gun-...omparisons

Some updated data from a reliable source. And yes, gun control works in countries that have it, I'll tell you that all day long pal.
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I just showed you stats that unanimously show that you are more likely to die in a mass shooting in 10 other advanced countries before the US. So, you want to ban all the guns then to reduce gun violence? You do realize that close to 80% of gun homicides are gang related right? Great, so we will disarm every American and let the gangs run free in the streets with illegally obtained guns. Great plan.
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