(08-09-2019 01:27 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always wondered myself why Fox paid more for BE BB
With out FB schools
Part of problem was BB schools wanted full share
The money did not make sence

Fox Sports 1 needs hoops content and only had half of the PAC12 inventory available to them. Pay up or get shut out

(08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved

It cracks me up when people here belittle the Big East as a "regional" conference....



.....but consider the Big Ten to be a "national" conference and would never dream of referring to them as "regional"....


I mean, c'mon. This is the exact same footprint with the exception of the Big East having New York, Rhode Island, and now Connecticut while the Big Ten has Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa. (Georgetown in the Big East is in the same footprint of Maryland in the Big Ten, so those schools offset in the footprint.) Even Mike Aresco was all like, "UConn decided to be regional." Maybe he and everyone else need either an optometrist or a geography class.

(08-09-2019 04:06 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved

It cracks me up when people here belittle the Big East as a "regional" conference....



.....but consider the Big Ten to be a "national" conference and would never dream of referring to them as "regional"....


I mean, c'mon. This is the exact same footprint with the exception of the Big East having New York, Rhode Island, and now Connecticut while the Big Ten has Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa. (Georgetown in the Big East is in the same footprint of Maryland in the Big Ten, so those schools offset in the footprint.) Even Mike Aresco was all like, "UConn decided to be regional." Maybe he and everyone else need either an optometrist or a geography class.

Same thing with acting like the footprint of the 2005-2013 Big East was dramatically different. Line up the old map to the current one and the only significant difference is that the outlier swings from Florida to Nebraska. Otherwise the same.

(08-09-2019 04:15 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Same thing with acting like the footprint of the 2005-2013 Big East was dramatically different. Line up the old map to the current one and the only significant difference is that the outlier swings from Florida to Nebraska. Otherwise the same.

#TRUTH

Old Big East:

UTEP is in a conference spanning thousands and thousands of miles. I really wish we could go back to a more regional one! At least one with some Mountain Time Zone teams.

(08-09-2019 04:28 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  UTEP is in a conference spanning thousands and thousands of miles. I really wish we could go back to a more regional one! At least one with some Mountain Time Zone teams.

A conference consisting of NMSt and all the CUSA/SB teams in Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas would have the potential to be pretty fun, I'd think. Toss in USM if you'd like.

Anyone who thinks that the AAC made any geographic sense for UConn needs their head examined. The money isn't big enough in the AAC for it to be worth this travel headache:

AAC (current members in blue, associate members in red)

(08-09-2019 04:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Anyone who thinks that the AAC made any geographic sense for UConn needs their head examined. The money isn't big enough in the AAC for it to be worth this travel headache:

AAC (current members in blue, associate members in red)

You look at the map and say - AAC has TN/NC pair, but then you realize that Memphis is as close to Minneapolis as it is to Greenville.

This whole thread.

Dear uconn,

Pay your tab and gtfo.

Love yah, mean it,
The AAC

(08-09-2019 08:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

This whole thread.

Dear uconn,

Pay your tab and gtfo.

Love yah, mean it,
The AAC

Already agreed on. If there was a way to manageably get out of the conference this season they would have done it.

(08-09-2019 04:06 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved

It cracks me up when people here belittle the Big East as a "regional" conference....



.....but consider the Big Ten to be a "national" conference and would never dream of referring to them as "regional"....


I mean, c'mon. This is the exact same footprint with the exception of the Big East having New York, Rhode Island, and now Connecticut while the Big Ten has Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa. (Georgetown in the Big East is in the same footprint of Maryland in the Big Ten, so those schools offset in the footprint.) Even Mike Aresco was all like, "UConn decided to be regional." Maybe he and everyone else need either an optometrist or a geography class.

UCH,

If you don't go by geography alone (and your point on this theme is well made), then the Big Ten is vastly more "national" and "international" than the Big East because the alumni bases in the Big Ten universities are so much larger than those of the Big East.

The Big East is a power conference in basketball and any fair-minded person will admit this. But it is not remotely as "national" as the Big Ten or the other four Power 5 members based on resources, fan bases, enrollments, alumni networks, athletic department budgets, etc.

(08-09-2019 03:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 01:27 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always wondered myself why Fox paid more for BE BB
With out FB schools
Part of problem was BB schools wanted full share
The money did not make sence

Fox Sports 1 needs hoops content and only had half of the PAC12 inventory available to them. Pay up or get shut out

That’s why I don’t see it as being very likely FOX has any desire to extend the current big East deal at an even higher premium price. Now that FOX has half of the Big10 inventory—the need to pay a huge premium for decent basketball content that isn’t really killing it in the ratings just isn’t there.

(08-09-2019 09:15 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 04:06 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved

It cracks me up when people here belittle the Big East as a "regional" conference....



.....but consider the Big Ten to be a "national" conference and would never dream of referring to them as "regional"....


I mean, c'mon. This is the exact same footprint with the exception of the Big East having New York, Rhode Island, and now Connecticut while the Big Ten has Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa. (Georgetown in the Big East is in the same footprint of Maryland in the Big Ten, so those schools offset in the footprint.) Even Mike Aresco was all like, "UConn decided to be regional." Maybe he and everyone else need either an optometrist or a geography class.

UCH,

If you don't go by geography alone (and your point on this theme is well made), then the Big Ten is vastly more "national" and "international" than the Big East because the alumni bases in the Big Ten universities are so much larger than those of the Big East.

The Big East is a power conference in basketball and any fair-minded person will admit this. But it is not remotely as "national" as the Big Ten or the other four Power 5 members based on resources, fan bases, enrollments, alumni networks, athletic department budgets, etc.

I will give you that alumni base size is a fair point as the Big Ten schools are hard to match in that regard. That said, I feel like that is increasingly less important as the market is less about cable boxes and more about success and market support. While the smaller Big East schools may not have the large enrollments, alumni networks, or budgets of the Big Ten schools, many command their markets as well or better in the sport that matters to the Big East... basketball. What matters more in Philly? Villanova or Penn State hoop? What matters more in New Jersey? Seton Hall or Rutgers hoop? I know that there are states where it is the opposite, but you get my point.

Gonzaga is a small-ish Catholic school in a weaker conference than the Big East or Big Ten, but that hasn’t hindered their success for the last 25 years.

(08-09-2019 09:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 03:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 01:27 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always wondered myself why Fox paid more for BE BB
With out FB schools
Part of problem was BB schools wanted full share
The money did not make sence

Fox Sports 1 needs hoops content and only had half of the PAC12 inventory available to them. Pay up or get shut out

That’s why I don’t see it as being very likely FOX has any desire to extend the current big East deal at an even higher premium price. Now that FOX has half of the Big10 inventory—the need to pay a huge premium for decent basketball content that isn’t really killing it in the ratings just isn’t there.

It’s not like adding half of the big ten is a lot of inventory. The big east is still by far their primary winter programming

(08-10-2019 12:17 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:15 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 04:06 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved

It cracks me up when people here belittle the Big East as a "regional" conference....



.....but consider the Big Ten to be a "national" conference and would never dream of referring to them as "regional"....


I mean, c'mon. This is the exact same footprint with the exception of the Big East having New York, Rhode Island, and now Connecticut while the Big Ten has Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa. (Georgetown in the Big East is in the same footprint of Maryland in the Big Ten, so those schools offset in the footprint.) Even Mike Aresco was all like, "UConn decided to be regional." Maybe he and everyone else need either an optometrist or a geography class.

UCH,

If you don't go by geography alone (and your point on this theme is well made), then the Big Ten is vastly more "national" and "international" than the Big East because the alumni bases in the Big Ten universities are so much larger than those of the Big East.

The Big East is a power conference in basketball and any fair-minded person will admit this. But it is not remotely as "national" as the Big Ten or the other four Power 5 members based on resources, fan bases, enrollments, alumni networks, athletic department budgets, etc.

I will give you that alumni base size is a fair point as the Big Ten schools are hard to match in that regard. That said, I feel like that is increasingly less important as the market is less about cable boxes and more about success and market support. While the smaller Big East schools may not have the large enrollments, alumni networks, or budgets of the Big Ten schools, many command their markets as well or better in the sport that matters to the Big East... basketball. What matters more in Philly? Villanova or Penn State hoop? What matters more in New Jersey? Seton Hall or Rutgers hoop? I know that there are states where it is the opposite, but you get my point.

Gonzaga is a small-ish Catholic school in a weaker conference than the Big East or Big Ten, but that hasn’t hindered their success for the last 25 years.

You make some very good points and I'm with you in some respects. To your question: "What matters more in Philly" No doubt, you are correct. It is Villanova hoops over Penn State hoops. But let's take your question to the highest level: "What matters more in Philly: Villanova University as a whole or Penn State University as a whole?" I might be wrong, but I would assume it's PSU.

This goes to the fundamental question of how we define a "power conference" and an "individual power football or basketball program." Do we do so based upon on the field and court success? Or based on resources? There is no easy answer (it can be very subjective). I do think it’s worth noting that no Big East program “owns” the state in which it is located in terms of fan support. However, and you are correct, many of the Big East schools “own the fan support” of their respective cities.

Similarly, though I don’t consider the American a power league in either football or basketball, the league does offer a somewhat “national” flavor because 1. it sponsors football (which keeps the AAC “in front of the nation via TV” during the fall) and 2. many of its schools (Navy, Houston, UConn, Cincy, Temple, SMU, USF, UCF, Tulane) have huge and/or very influential alumni bases. Still, I don’t consider the AAC a true “national” conference.

On that theme, I view the Big East as neither fully national nor fully regional because it offers such an unusual model that is very difficult to define. I don't see it as "national" as the Power 5 but it does offer a "national flavor" due to its Catholic theme. And as a man who feels strongly about the important contributions of Catholic universities, hospitals, charities, nonprofits, schools, etc., that is a key element to this topic.

(08-09-2019 04:37 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Anyone who thinks that the AAC made any geographic sense for UConn needs their head examined. The money isn't big enough in the AAC for it to be worth this travel headache:

AAC (current members in blue, associate members in red)

The issue is not about geography, it is whether risking ur Fball program is worth a better fit in Bball. More specifically, the long term ramifications of such a move. I personally think it is not in the best interest of Uconn and the leadership quit to take the heat off of their own poor choices. That being said, it is a tough analysis as even the new BE is a much better fit for Uconn bball. I just believe that UConn is still a great fit for the ACC or even B10, which is where the really money is, but this move has a hugely negative effect on the chances of moving up.

(08-09-2019 09:08 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 08:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

This whole thread.

Dear uconn,

Pay your tab and gtfo.

Love yah, mean it,
The AAC

Already agreed on. If there was a way to manageably get out of the conference this season they would have done it.

Please keep trying

(08-09-2019 04:06 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved

It cracks me up when people here belittle the Big East as a "regional" conference....



.....but consider the Big Ten to be a "national" conference and would never dream of referring to them as "regional"....


I mean, c'mon. This is the exact same footprint with the exception of the Big East having New York, Rhode Island, and now Connecticut while the Big Ten has Michigan, Minnesota, and Iowa. (Georgetown in the Big East is in the same footprint of Maryland in the Big Ten, so those schools offset in the footprint.) Even Mike Aresco was all like, "UConn decided to be regional." Maybe he and everyone else need either an optometrist or a geography class.

You missed my point entirely. I wasn’t calling the Big East a regional league and their hoops exposure is certainly national.

I was talking about UConn striking a regional deal for FOOTBALL broadcast rights.

(08-09-2019 09:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 03:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 01:27 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always wondered myself why Fox paid more for BE BB
With out FB schools
Part of problem was BB schools wanted full share
The money did not make sence

Fox Sports 1 needs hoops content and only had half of the PAC12 inventory available to them. Pay up or get shut out

That’s why I don’t see it as being very likely FOX has any desire to extend the current big East deal at an even higher premium price. Now that FOX has half of the Big10 inventory—the need to pay a huge premium for decent basketball content that isn’t really killing it in the ratings just isn’t there.

Depends on what ratings they get for it, what replacement options they have, and what roi they’d get for each option. If they need the inventory or think the ROI is better than whatever mma or other inventory they’d be sliding in its place I could see them reup. Also I’d imagine some assurances were likely made to the splitting schools that it wouldn’t disappear after one contract

(08-10-2019 07:06 AM)scoscox Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 09:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 03:33 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(08-09-2019 01:27 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I always wondered myself why Fox paid more for BE BB
With out FB schools
Part of problem was BB schools wanted full share
The money did not make sence

Fox Sports 1 needs hoops content and only had half of the PAC12 inventory available to them. Pay up or get shut out

That’s why I don’t see it as being very likely FOX has any desire to extend the current big East deal at an even higher premium price. Now that FOX has half of the Big10 inventory—the need to pay a huge premium for decent basketball content that isn’t really killing it in the ratings just isn’t there.

It’s not like adding half of the big ten is a lot of inventory. The big east is still by far their primary winter programming

The thing is FOX only has a couple of networks. FOX is not like ESPN that has 4 all sports networks, plus ABC---plus a new subscription streaming network they are trying to fill. They dont really need all that inventory. Im not saying FOX is looking to ditch the Big East---there is excellent inventory there. What Im saying is they no longer are over a barrel with just half of a 10 team league as their only quality CT/ET basketball content. By any ratings metric---the Big East is getting a well above market premium relative to the ratings they are drawing. FOX is simply no longer in a position where they have to pay an above market premium to get basketball programming with Big East level ratings. This idea that FOX is going to do an early renewal that bumps the payout (that's already well over market) even higher is ludicrous. Thats the only point Im trying to make here.