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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

I think many people would be surprised. Not you and I, but many. It's all politics, of the worst kind
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 05:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In the long-run, UConn's time in the AAC will be a blip in their basketball history. It will be similar to South Carolina's tenure in the Metro Conference.

No doubt this is true.

Another blip, in the long run, will be UConn's experiment with football.

Frankly, UConn may well end up looking like a genius five years from now if the American loses its name-brand football schools to a more powerful league.

I pray, if that happens, that Houston is among those called up.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

In 1985 there were 250 Division 1 wrestling programs.
Today there are 68.
Title 9. Yay!
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
If UConn dropped Football, they'd probably add Men's Lacrosse to add 45 participants to make up for lose 98 in Football. They'd probably just trim the women's teams here and there to get those numbers down about 25 to balance and stay within T9 parameters.

My BOE calculation says they'd save $15,135,138 in Football expenses (from DoE numbers) and once the reorganized their department probably 40% of the $23,765,156 "not allocated by team" which is typically dedication to FBS football. That ball park is $25M in savings.

Lost would be some portion of $9,843,615ticket sales and $5,666,522 donations. Let's guess 40% each (probably high for UConn where Basketball dominates both). That's about $6.2M ballpark. Rights and licensing shows $24,501,727. This is uncertain, but let's say $9M

So I come up with $25M saved, $15M lost, a net of about $10M

UConn is banking on Donations doubling to get back to pre-AAC days when Big East basketball drove the bus there. If they recover some of that, then combined with a dropping of Football, they should be ahead about $15M per year. That is significant at a school where the President has to cut a $33M check every year to keep the department going.

But I don;t think they'll cut football. So they are just hoping to improve revenue, and slowly reduce football expenses.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 07:47 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I’m having a difficult time believing that people still think UConn is making a bad move here. No, they very clearly are not. This is a smart move by the Huskies. This will save their basketball program – which is really all they really care about.
Since this story broke about 7 weeks ago, there has definitely been a lot of blather and bullsh¡t spoken on this subject. Hopefully I haven’t contributed to that. I agree that for MBB and WBB, this is a good move, both financially and competitively. But for UConn football, this is a suicide note. If UConn is at peace with that, more power to them.

(08-08-2019 07:58 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In the long-run, UConn's time in the AAC will be a blip in their basketball history. It will be similar to South Carolina's tenure in the Metro Conference.

No doubt this is true.

Another blip, in the long run, will be UConn's experiment with football.

Frankly, UConn may well end up looking like a genius five years from now if the American loses its name-brand football schools to a more powerful league.

I pray, if that happens, that Houston is among those called up.
It’s kinda iffy whether the Big <XII will ever expand or not. But if they do, I think Houston has a great chance. Both on their own merits, and also because of the political situation facing the schools that will make the decision.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

I don't think an extensive list of universities that weren't going to give women scholarships unless it was an absolute legal requirement they do so is going to prove the point you think it is.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 08:13 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

I don't think an extensive list of universities that weren't going to give women scholarships unless it was an absolute legal requirement they do so is going to prove the point you think it is.

Correct.

Don't blame Title IX for forcing the universities to do what they should have done in the first place - create equal opportunity for men and women. Why SHOULDN'T a college have roughly equal athletic opportunities for men and women?

If a college dropped a sport because they had neglected women in the past, that is on them.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 08:21 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:13 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

I don't think an extensive list of universities that weren't going to give women scholarships unless it was an absolute legal requirement they do so is going to prove the point you think it is.

Correct.

Don't blame Title IX for forcing the universities to do what they should have done in the first place - create equal opportunity for men and women. Why SHOULDN'T a college have roughly equal athletic opportunities for men and women?

If a college dropped a sport because they had neglected women in the past, that is on them.

Hell, if you need something to be mad at, be mad at FBS football for taking up nearly as many scholarships as the seven next-highest scholarship count men's sports combined. You didn't get crowded out by the volleyball team, you got crowded out by football.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 08:13 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

I don't think an extensive list of universities that weren't going to give women scholarships unless it was an absolute legal requirement they do so is going to prove the point you think it is.
I’m sure it wouldn’t prove it to you.
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RE: Financial breakdown of UConn's move to the Big East
(08-08-2019 08:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:13 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

I don't think an extensive list of universities that weren't going to give women scholarships unless it was an absolute legal requirement they do so is going to prove the point you think it is.
I’m sure it wouldn’t prove it to you.

Well, again, your gripe shouldn't be with women who want to go to college, it should be with football somehow requiring 85 scholarships to operate while sports like soccer and wrestling make due with less than 10.
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(08-08-2019 08:06 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

In 1985 there were 250 Division 1 wrestling programs.
Today there are 68.
Title 9. Yay!

Cool, want to compare womens scholarships in that same time frame?

Oh and there are 78 not 68 D1 programs
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(08-08-2019 08:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 08:13 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  For as much of a boogeyman Title 9 gets made out to be......
I don’t have the time to do it. But how I wish someone would compile and publish a truly comprehensive list of all the men’s college athletic teams that have been cut-back/eliminated over the past (say) 30-40 years, and then compare that to all the women’s college sports teams that have suffered the same fate.

I don't think an extensive list of universities that weren't going to give women scholarships unless it was an absolute legal requirement they do so is going to prove the point you think it is.
I’m sure it wouldn’t prove it to you.

Whats your argument here? Women athletes are bad? I'm really not following.
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These arguments remind me a lot of political debating. I don't think anyone truly thinks Uconn going to the big East is a bad idea. I think many are just tired of the misinformation.

I'm in the crowd saying this is a great idea. But not because of the sunshine Big East fans are spreading. This move allows Uconn to kill football and many women sports. While still getting paid a similar amount to the AAC and focusing on what they are good at.
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so lets see here. BBO puts in both basketball SNY deal(which is gonzo in the Big East- ALL TV rights are with FOX) and a football deal with SNY. Figures...

Also, he totally leaves out the rest of the conference distributions for the AAC. AAC has been distributing on a 2.5 million dollar TV deal distributing around 4.5 million dollars. Now the TV money is up to 7 million or 4.5 million more. But they're only going to see 7 million? Ahh..... Great fuzzy math there BBO on both counts....

And what is the funniest part of his crack analysis- he is insisting that UConn as an Indy will be guaranteed a bowl game- so gets to count that revenue. Considering they've won 7 games last 3 years combined, that's a reach. With 3 of those wins coming vs FCS teams- so only 4-29 vs FBS teams. Gotta get 5 FBS wins to be bowl eligible(along with a 6th win either FBS or FCS).
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(08-08-2019 07:58 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In the long-run, UConn's time in the AAC will be a blip in their basketball history. It will be similar to South Carolina's tenure in the Metro Conference.

No doubt this is true.

Another blip, in the long run, will be UConn's experiment with football.

Haha, their over 120 year football experiment?
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Why can it not be scholarships school wide
Why does it matter if business scholarship or athletic scholarship
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(08-08-2019 11:40 AM)scoscox Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 11:24 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If UComn isnwilling to sacrifice national exposure in football they can make decent local region tv dollars. Here’s hoping thenreshuffled leagues work out for all involved

they were getting national exposure in football? could've fooled me

ESPN Bottom 10 IS national exposure.
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(08-08-2019 10:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:58 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In the long-run, UConn's time in the AAC will be a blip in their basketball history. It will be similar to South Carolina's tenure in the Metro Conference.

No doubt this is true.

Another blip, in the long run, will be UConn's experiment with football.

Haha, their over 120 year football experiment?
CougarRed should have been more specific: FBS-level (or it’s equivalent in past eras) football.
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(08-09-2019 06:21 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 10:26 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 07:58 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 05:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  In the long-run, UConn's time in the AAC will be a blip in their basketball history. It will be similar to South Carolina's tenure in the Metro Conference.

No doubt this is true.

Another blip, in the long run, will be UConn's experiment with football.

Haha, their over 120 year football experiment?
CougarRed should have been more specific: FBS-level (or it’s equivalent in past eras) football.

The other point that history will show from UConn's move is that it will likely show a big name school that is outside of the P5 choosing to discontinue throwing money and resources (which are not being generated authentically) and accepting its fate and place in the college football hierarchy (assuming UConn eventually disbands/drops-down football). Anyone that argues that the subsidies that some of these G5 programs are making to support these losing football programs are sustainable are fooling themselves. An overwhelming majority of G5 programs are being subsidized between 40% and 70% percent annually by the institutions/state. That is simply not sustainable.

The spending gap will only increase, and it will only cause certain programs to feel the need to spend more in order to "keep pace". The writing is on the wall - the separation already happened. It's impossible to "keep pace" when the race already concluded (i.e. Power Five consolidating from the Power Six, picking the best of the rest to maximize value).
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(08-09-2019 08:31 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It's impossible to "keep pace" when the race already concluded (i.e. Power Five consolidating from the Power Six, picking the best of the rest to maximize value).

Yeah, and you can't fault UConn for taking an opportunity to be a part of the basketball power structure. Anyone not in the P5, if the Big East really wanted them, would have done the same thing. And, ironically, were it Houston or Cincinnati, would it really be a death sentence for football the same way people think it to be for UConn?

But, it's not like this is going to be a total reprieve for UConn. Power basketball has rising operating costs, as well. It used to be most basketball programs ran in the black. Now, with expanding and more costly staffing, and the recruitment game, UConn's going to get more money for its basketball, but it's likely to spend more, too.
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