(07-30-2019 10:31 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 09:50 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  How are they meeting the ADA, pending funding? Elevators? Alternate Rts? Trebuchet? As I posted, my googling hasn't found a design that doesn't use elevators so I'm curious what they came up with in their completed designs and specifications.

"How are they meeting the ADA, pending funding? "

Refer to my earlier response to your question about ADA options which I repeat here again: switchback ramps (try googling for that)

Your earlier response said you were "guessing."

I did google, though I'm sure someone here with access to the designs could provide more accurate picture.

17 ft minimum ht is what I found, maybe 16. 1 ft. per in. rise for 4.8 degree ADA gives a 204 foot ramp on each end, since the end points are street level (there abouts). So, a football field and a third of ramping to cross Douglass?

Trebuchet.

Is there a reason they didn't just design in a cross-walk? Other than it being annoying?

(07-30-2019 10:34 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:17 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

eastsbest Wrote:Joking aside. I recall Douglass having one of the highest rates of speeding in the city (hence my opposition to those that wanted to turn Secor into a Douglass type race-track). Regardless its designated priority, a ped bridge will be a nice connect for the two parts of campus, should be useful and a great place for some new grafitti, no doubt already designed in, pending funding. Repairs to those parking garages might be popular too though.

Yes we do . Truthfully, there have already been a few reports written by colleagues about the significant issues in those garages, we'll see how it goes.

As far as students being squished...that isn't the only issue that pedestrians in unmarked crossings can cause. According to the reports presented in some of the senior design meetings, there were an average of 22 auto accidents

Right, that's what I was refering to. And yes, it is a lot, especially at 40-50 mph. The demographic in that area includes an aging population complicated by a young drinking population complicated by a University draw of foreign students and academics many who didn't even drive in their home countries or who drive in a .... less organized manner.

Trebuchet better but a bridge will be adequate. Didn't zoo get grandfathered? They may have switchbacks but are those modern compliant and to the same elevation needed by one on Douglass? Those zoo ramps are LONG and I'm pretty sure the endpoints are elevated relative to the 25 whereas the Douglass' will be street level. That's a lot more ramp.


I know, I know,
Project design and all specifications are complete, whatever issues (and solutions) needed to address the .. every possible scenario ... have been completed. This project is ready to proceed, pending funding. May be a high priority in the next round of state operational fund request in FYs 21/22 from UT.

I'm just interested in what solution WAS for fact chosen for ADA. Are you saying for a fact that they're using switchbacks? Poor scooter's going to run out of battery before making that trip. Can they put a charging station mid-way? Oops, I forgot. All scenarios have.....

I know you're very big on facts as opposed to knowledgeable conjecture, but I can't give you the designs that they chose because that's only known in Facilities and Planning. All I do know is that you would need 15' of standard overhead clearance for that road (arterial roads in Ohio require <14.5'), you would need to rise 16.5 feet considering decking/platform thickness...thing is, the grade of the eastern and western sides of the road is different than the road itself at the [assumed] point of abutment, which would be roughly 6' above the road grade, meaning we only need to make up 10'. That's where the catch is...the 204' foot calculation on your end would be sound if you didn't include the grade differences.

If you carry a 4.8° gradation (ADA Compliance Standard as of 2015) for the access ramps, you would need to gather 120' of tread to rise on grade...assuming three switchbacks on the ramp (which would take up 7' each based on standard code width for ADA ramps, so 26' with allowances for rails and over-pour area) would require an overall footprint area of 42' long by 26' wide in order to produce a complaint ramp, which is more than reasonable. The other thing you may have to consider is that the ramps could be built in a manner to conserve overall space by switching back into and integrating with the essential structural components of the bridge. All of this to say it truly isn't a difficult project to sight out.

But I'm with you...a trebuchet would be damn fun to watch. I have no idea why they have no crosswalk there, but I'm sure there's something in the traffic code about having a 5 lane crosswalk on a 45mph road that close between two intersections.

(07-30-2019 12:15 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:34 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I'm just interested in what solution WAS for fact chosen for ADA. Are you saying for a fact that they're using switchbacks? Poor scooter's going to run out of battery before making that trip. Can they put a charging station mid-way? Oops, I forgot. All scenarios have.....

..thing is, the grade of the eastern and western sides of the road is different than the road itself at the [assumed] point of abutment, which would be roughly 6' above the road grade, meaning we only need to make up 10'. That's where the catch is...the 204' foot calculation on your end would be sound if you didn't include the grade differences.


But I'm with you...a trebuchet would be damn fun to watch. I have no idea why they have no crosswalk there, but I'm sure there's something in the traffic code about having a 5 lane crosswalk on a 45mph road that close between two intersections.

Drove by today out of curiosity and not having seen campus in awhile and as an excuse to go to Sidon's. I was going to bring that bit about the grades myself. I saw the rises on both sides. But your other data seemed different by a foot than my google. Anyhow, back to topic

Went to see the soccer field. I was hoping to see (for fun) whether or not a drop could be made from the REC through the woods but couldn't get close enough. Need to model this on Minecraft.

There are more stands than it appears from Google Map. Nice on that side. Still not seeing concessions and bathrooms but I imagine they have that figured out, pending funding.

I saw the ADA, long concrete path on the N end of the field but from the view I could get, it looked single point entry. Couldn't see if there was another on the South side and Google map isn't clear. Is there a second wheelchair accessible exit/entry? Not sure if it's even required but you know, if a hooligan riot breaks out on the N side, granny's either going to have to join in or roll down the stairs.

Concessions. Call a food truck. BYOB.

Pee behind the tree #1 at south end

(07-30-2019 04:11 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 12:15 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:34 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I'm just interested in what solution WAS for fact chosen for ADA. Are you saying for a fact that they're using switchbacks? Poor scooter's going to run out of battery before making that trip. Can they put a charging station mid-way? Oops, I forgot. All scenarios have.....

..thing is, the grade of the eastern and western sides of the road is different than the road itself at the [assumed] point of abutment, which would be roughly 6' above the road grade, meaning we only need to make up 10'. That's where the catch is...the 204' foot calculation on your end would be sound if you didn't include the grade differences.


But I'm with you...a trebuchet would be damn fun to watch. I have no idea why they have no crosswalk there, but I'm sure there's something in the traffic code about having a 5 lane crosswalk on a 45mph road that close between two intersections.

Drove by today out of curiosity and not having seen campus in awhile and as an excuse to go to Sidon's. I was going to bring that bit about the grades myself. I saw the rises on both sides. But your other data seemed different by a foot than my google. Anyhow, back to topic

Went to see the soccer field. I was hoping to see (for fun) whether or not a drop could be made from the REC through the woods but couldn't get close enough. Need to model this on Minecraft.

There are more stands than it appears from Google Map. Nice on that side. Still not seeing concessions and bathrooms but I imagine they have that figured out, pending funding.

I saw the ADA, long concrete path on the N end of the field but from the view I could get, it looked single point entry. Couldn't see if there was another on the South side and Google map isn't clear. Is there a second wheelchair accessible exit/entry? Not sure if it's even required but you know, if a hooligan riot breaks out on the N side, granny's either going to have to join in or roll down the stairs.

Current seating is 300. Room to double that. For track I believe they use the Savage bathrooms.

(07-30-2019 04:33 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:11 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  There are more stands than it appears from Google Map. Nice on that side. Still not seeing concessions and bathrooms but I imagine they have that figured out, pending funding.

I saw the ADA, long concrete path on the N end of the field but from the view I could get, it looked single point entry. Couldn't see if there was another on the South side and Google map isn't clear. Is there a second wheelchair accessible exit/entry? Not sure if it's even required but you know, if a hooligan riot breaks out on the N side, granny's either going to have to join in or roll down the stairs.

Current seating is 300. Room to double that. For track I believe they use the Savage bathrooms.

I'd never make it, lol. Appeared more than 300 to me. Maybe it was the blue contrast made them look bigger to me than they were. Double the seating? But that's back to the "land-locked discussion," that seating wouldn't be quality. It's never going to be a quality fan experience. As said in the beginning, it's a field. That's all the U deems the potential needs of the soccer/track programs and it serves that just fine. If they ever do need anything more for "fans," investment in that area is lipstick on a pig unless the westside becomes available.

I

(07-30-2019 04:33 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:11 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 12:15 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:34 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  I'm just interested in what solution WAS for fact chosen for ADA. Are you saying for a fact that they're using switchbacks? Poor scooter's going to run out of battery before making that trip. Can they put a charging station mid-way? Oops, I forgot. All scenarios have.....

..thing is, the grade of the eastern and western sides of the road is different than the road itself at the [assumed] point of abutment, which would be roughly 6' above the road grade, meaning we only need to make up 10'. That's where the catch is...the 204' foot calculation on your end would be sound if you didn't include the grade differences.


But I'm with you...a trebuchet would be damn fun to watch. I have no idea why they have no crosswalk there, but I'm sure there's something in the traffic code about having a 5 lane crosswalk on a 45mph road that close between two intersections.

Drove by today out of curiosity and not having seen campus in awhile and as an excuse to go to Sidon's. I was going to bring that bit about the grades myself. I saw the rises on both sides. But your other data seemed different by a foot than my google. Anyhow, back to topic

Went to see the soccer field. I was hoping to see (for fun) whether or not a drop could be made from the REC through the woods but couldn't get close enough. Need to model this on Minecraft.

There are more stands than it appears from Google Map. Nice on that side. Still not seeing concessions and bathrooms but I imagine they have that figured out, pending funding.

I saw the ADA, long concrete path on the N end of the field but from the view I could get, it looked single point entry. Couldn't see if there was another on the South side and Google map isn't clear. Is there a second wheelchair accessible exit/entry? Not sure if it's even required but you know, if a hooligan riot breaks out on the N side, granny's either going to have to join in or roll down the stairs.

Current seating is 300. Room to double that. For track I believe they use the Savage bathrooms.

I checked out the new turf/lights myself this afternoon...
Definitely more like 600-700 seating capacity... There are 2 sections of 6 rows of about 40-45 and a wider middle section of 3 rows that stretch out about 55 across... Then up top there is a wide handicap seating area for maybe 50-75 fans...

(07-30-2019 05:23 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:33 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:34 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Went to see the soccer field. I was hoping to see (for fun) whether or not a drop could be made from the REC through the woods but couldn't get close enough. Need to model this on Minecraft.

There are more stands than it appears from Google Map. Nice on that side. Still not seeing concessions and bathrooms but I imagine they have that figured out, pending funding.

Current seating is 300. Room to double that. For track I believe they use the Savage bathrooms.

I checked out the new turf/lights myself this afternoon...
Definitely more like 600-700 seating capacity... There are 2 sections of 6 rows of about 40-45 and a wider middle section of 3 rows that stretch out about 55 across... Then up top there is a wide handicap seating area for maybe 50-75 fans...

That's what it appeared like to me also, but had to consider he was right. Toledo butts could easily dwindle that to 300.

(07-30-2019 05:30 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 05:23 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 04:33 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 10:34 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Went to see the soccer field. I was hoping to see (for fun) whether or not a drop could be made from the REC through the woods but couldn't get close enough. Need to model this on Minecraft.

There are more stands than it appears from Google Map. Nice on that side. Still not seeing concessions and bathrooms but I imagine they have that figured out, pending funding.

Current seating is 300. Room to double that. For track I believe they use the Savage bathrooms.

I checked out the new turf/lights myself this afternoon...
Definitely more like 600-700 seating capacity... There are 2 sections of 6 rows of about 40-45 and a wider middle section of 3 rows that stretch out about 55 across... Then up top there is a wide handicap seating area for maybe 50-75 fans...

That's what it appeared like to me also, but had to consider he was right. Toledo butts could easily dwindle that to 300.

UT website says 300. https://admin.utrockets.com/sports/2018/...ility.aspx

Could they bring over the bleachers from Scott Park? Maybe they could be set up on the West side if there's a need.

(08-02-2019 07:35 AM)RocketJeff Wrote:  Could they bring over the bleachers from Scott Park? Maybe they could be set up on the West side if there's a need.

There is almost no clearance there, as you've got the track about 4 feet from the end of the field and I doubt they'd want to tear up that with the stands. I could see them putting some stands on either endline near the goals in the large spaces there. That could work well as a student section.

Put'em on stilts!!

The East stands really do seem bigger than 300. As far as end zones, really hoping they come up with a better concession/restroom option than running in to Savage. I think maybe I'll invent a bathroom truck. Vanity mirrors, comfort couches for the ladies, the works. Modest fee, please tip the attendant (anyone remember those?)

Then they can bring in food truck for chow, we'll park next to each other.

(08-02-2019 11:30 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Put'em on stilts!!

The East stands really do seem bigger than 300. As far as end zones, really hoping they come up with a better concession/restroom option than running in to Savage. I think maybe I'll invent a bathroom truck. Vanity mirrors, comfort couches for the ladies, the works. Modest fee, please tip the attendant (anyone remember those?)

Then they can bring in food truck for chow, we'll park next to each other.

make sure the wrong one is parked down wind from the other...…..

(08-02-2019 11:30 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  Put'em on stilts!!

The East stands really do seem bigger than 300. As far as end zones, really hoping they come up with a better concession/restroom option than running in to Savage. I think maybe I'll invent a bathroom truck. Vanity mirrors, comfort couches for the ladies, the works. Modest fee, please tip the attendant (anyone remember those?)

Then they can bring in food truck for chow, we'll park next to each other.

Bathroom truck might be problematic for the driver if you drive down Secor in early spring

I always look at Springfield High School's old field/stand orientation and wonder why more teams didn't do the same...it was a nice layout for everything but soccer with the fence so close to the sidelines.

Was at UT today. Field just about done. They were sweeping the rubber infill into the turf. There was a crane with pilings for a scoreboard on the north end. Also noticed that the light poles on the east side are right where you would expand the current seating. It could be worked around, but quite a few potential seats would be lost. I would say there is no reason to think there would be any increase in seating in the near future if that's where they put the lights.

It looks like the high jump will remain in the same area on the south end. There is room for the LJ/TJ between the track and field on the north,but that's a guess. There was something going on between the south end of the track and the woods. Not sure you could cram a pole vault area there. I tried to look at the field events area at Carter, but the fence gates were locked. All I could see from driving by were a throwing cage and some concrete pads. BTW, Carter Field was lined for football practice. Guess they need grass.

(08-02-2019 03:39 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Was at UT today. Field just about done. They were sweeping the rubber infill into the turf. There was a crane with pilings for a scoreboard on the north end. Also noticed that the light poles on the east side are right where you would expand the current seating. It could be worked around, but quite a few potential seats would be lost. I would say there is no reason to think there would be any increase in seating in the near future if that's where they put the lights.

It looks like the high jump will remain in the same area on the south end. There is room for the LJ/TJ between the track and field on the north,but that's a guess. There was something going on between the south end of the track and the woods. Not sure you could cram a pole vault area there. I tried to look at the field events area at Carter, but the fence gates were locked. All I could see from driving by were a throwing cage and some concrete pads. BTW, Carter Field was lined for football practice. Guess they need grass.

So many good times in the south end HJ pit. Glad they didn’t move it.

(08-02-2019 03:39 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Was at UT today. Field just about done. They were sweeping the rubber infill into the turf. There was a crane with pilings for a scoreboard on the north end. Also noticed that the light poles on the east side are right where you would expand the current seating. It could be worked around, but quite a few potential seats would be lost. I would say there is no reason to think there would be any increase in seating in the near future if that's where they put the lights.

It looks like the high jump will remain in the same area on the south end. There is room for the LJ/TJ between the track and field on the north,but that's a guess. There was something going on between the south end of the track and the woods. Not sure you could cram a pole vault area there. I tried to look at the field events area at Carter, but the fence gates were locked. All I could see from driving by were a throwing cage and some concrete pads. BTW, Carter Field was lined for football practice. Guess they need grass.

Grass is easier on the knees.

(08-02-2019 04:40 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 03:39 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Was at UT today.
It looks like the high jump will remain in the same area on the south end. There is room for the LJ/TJ between the track and field on the north,but that's a guess. There was something going on between the south end of the track and the woods. Not sure you could cram a pole vault area there. I tried to look at the field events area at Carter, but the fence gates were locked. All I could see from driving by were a throwing cage and some concrete pads. BTW, Carter Field was lined for football practice. Guess they need grass.

So many good times in the south end HJ pit. Glad they didn’t move it.

(08-02-2019 05:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 03:39 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Was at UT today. Field just about done. They were sweeping the rubber infill into the turf. There was a crane with pilings for a scoreboard on the north end. Also noticed that the light poles on the east side are right where you would expand the current seating. It could be worked around, but quite a few potential seats would be lost. I would say there is no reason to think there would be any increase in seating in the near future if that's where they put the lights.

It looks like the high jump will remain in the same area on the south end. There is room for the LJ/TJ between the track and field on the north,but that's a guess. There was something going on between the south end of the track and the woods. Not sure you could cram a pole vault area there. I tried to look at the field events area at Carter, but the fence gates were locked. All I could see from driving by were a throwing cage and some concrete pads. BTW, Carter Field was lined for football practice. Guess they need grass.

Grass is easier on the knees.

Yet our starting center goes down for the season with a knee injury.

(08-02-2019 07:55 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 05:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-02-2019 03:39 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Was at UT today. Field just about done. They were sweeping the rubber infill into the turf. There was a crane with pilings for a scoreboard on the north end. Also noticed that the light poles on the east side are right where you would expand the current seating. It could be worked around, but quite a few potential seats would be lost. I would say there is no reason to think there would be any increase in seating in the near future if that's where they put the lights.

It looks like the high jump will remain in the same area on the south end. There is room for the LJ/TJ between the track and field on the north,but that's a guess. There was something going on between the south end of the track and the woods. Not sure you could cram a pole vault area there. I tried to look at the field events area at Carter, but the fence gates were locked. All I could see from driving by were a throwing cage and some concrete pads. BTW, Carter Field was lined for football practice. Guess they need grass.

Grass is easier on the knees.

Yet our starting center goes down for the season with a knee injury.

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