(07-26-2019 10:54 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:17 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  We’re playing in the FBS after only ten years. Would welcome your interpretation of that leadership. Coming back from 0-28, that was impressive game day leadership as well.

ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

You have a small-minded viewpoint and are focused on small point-in-time details. Think bigger picture. We are playing at the FBS level after only ten years (in a coveted recruiting area/large market w/no major league competition) and have a basketball program with a rich history and much to offer. How long has Marshall been playing football? And I already mentioned the macro facts, which are undeniable. But 0-28 clearly still stings for you.

I think you are the one that doesn't see the bigger picture. Your market advantages don't amount to a hill of beans, if you lack good leadership.

In all honesty, without better leadership, I think Marshall, FAU, & FIU will be the strongest programs in the east.

By the way, ODU's comeback means nothing now. I'm a North Texas fan. I have endured far worse. Plus, we finished the season 9-4.

(07-26-2019 11:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:54 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

You have a small-minded viewpoint and are focused on small point-in-time details. Think bigger picture. We are playing at the FBS level after only ten years (in a coveted recruiting area/large market w/no major league competition) and have a basketball program with a rich history and much to offer. How long has Marshall been playing football? And I already mentioned the macro facts, which are undeniable. But 0-28 clearly still stings for you.

I think you are the one that doesn't see the bigger picture. Your market advantages don't amount to a hill of beans, if you lack good leadership.

In all honesty, without better leadership, I think Marshall, FAU, & FIU will be the strongest programs in the east.

By the way, ODU's comeback means nothing now. I'm a North Texas fan. I have endured far worse. Plus, we finished the season 9-4.

You often look at things in a short 2 year window. I mean you must because you are always leaving a program out that has as many conference FB championships as the 3 on your list combined over the last 4 years .

But I understand why you only use a short 2 year window. You do that because going back 3 years UNT was 5-8 and ODU was 10-3. I believe those 10 wins is more than UNT in the history of the program.

Over the past 4 seasons ODU 24 wins UNT 24 wins
Over the past 5 seasons ODU 30 wins UNT 28 wins

Yeah, a blind man can tell why you limit everything for 2 years

I dont buy into some of the advantages the ODU fan listed. Like recruiting, because so far that hasnt helped ODU at all..going by 247 (which I dont put much stock in the star system). They fact they haven't fired the coach is concerning. But a 10 win season makes that tricky

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:17 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:03 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  But, do you have the leadership?

Any advantages ODU may have over others in the east are only important if you have smart leadership that understand how to capitalize on them.

We’re playing in the FBS after only ten years. Would welcome your interpretation of that leadership. Coming back from 0-28, that was impressive game day leadership as well.

ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

Yes the "expansion" is small. The old clamshells on the sidelines were built in the 40s and nowhere near modern code. If they tried expanding them they we'd would have to be brought up to modern code which would have dropped capacity to 15k ish. The only feasible move was to tear down and build new. It is more of a rebuild than expansion. It is the size it is because we were limited by the state on the amount we could spend.

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(07-26-2019 11:34 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:17 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  We’re playing in the FBS after only ten years. Would welcome your interpretation of that leadership. Coming back from 0-28, that was impressive game day leadership as well.

ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

Yes the "expansion" is small. The old clamshells on the sidelines were built in the 40s and nowhere near modern code. If they tried expanding them they we'd would have to be brought up to modern code which would have dropped capacity to 15k ish. The only feasible move was to tear down and build new. It is more of a rebuild than expansion. It is the size it is because we were limited by the state on the amount we could spend.

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Yeah a couple more thousand seats was probably needed. But dont let these fans that have a 30k seat stadium blow too much smoke....

In their history UNT had more fans than the ODU stadium holds ...8 times. That is announced attendance...actual butts maybe once or twice

They fudged attendance in this game almost 50% and overall about 30% in 2017



For the record...UNT also has a losing record in CUSA 37-40 including 0-3 in bowls with a avg score 24.6 to 46.6

ODU 30-31

SSJ, you've got to understand something. Bobby Wilder is ODU football. When he accepted the head coaching job for the Monarchs, there were no players. There were no coaches. He did not even have an office or a desk. He built this program from scratch, and he has a 62.81% winning record. He has a little bit of a long leash, and it is well deserved. Yes, the temperature of his seat is a little warm this year, but it is my personal opinion that the season will have to be pretty damn bad for him to be let go -- in the zero to two or three or so wins area. And I don't think that is going to happen.

Oh, and just for comparison, here are how ODU and UNT measure up.

* Winning Percentage for the last five years (since ODU joined C-USA)
UNT - 43.75%
ODU - 49.18%

* Bowl wins last five years
UNT - 0
ODU - 1

* Losing seasons last five years
UNT - 3
ODU - 3

* Seats added by new stadium
UNT - 350
ODU - 2,000

UNT

Seasons: 55
Win/Loss Record: 261-327-11
Winning Percentage: 43.57%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 41.13
2009 2-10
2010 3-9
2011 5-7
2012 4-8
2013 9-4
2014 4-8
2015 1-11
2016 5-8
2017 9-5
2018 9-4


Winning Percentage Last 5 years: 43.75%


ODU

Seasons 10
Win/Loss Record: 76-45
Winning Percentage: 62.81%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 62.81%
2009 9-2
2010 8-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2
2013 8-4
2014 6-6
2015 5-7
2016 10-3
2017 5-7
2018 4-8
FBS Winning Percentage: 49.18% (Last 5 years)

So how about it, Joe. Can you back off just a little?

clt looks forward to playing the onarchs in the new stadium

(07-26-2019 11:33 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 11:12 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:54 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

You have a small-minded viewpoint and are focused on small point-in-time details. Think bigger picture. We are playing at the FBS level after only ten years (in a coveted recruiting area/large market w/no major league competition) and have a basketball program with a rich history and much to offer. How long has Marshall been playing football? And I already mentioned the macro facts, which are undeniable. But 0-28 clearly still stings for you.

I think you are the one that doesn't see the bigger picture. Your market advantages don't amount to a hill of beans, if you lack good leadership.

In all honesty, without better leadership, I think Marshall, FAU, & FIU will be the strongest programs in the east.

By the way, ODU's comeback means nothing now. I'm a North Texas fan. I have endured far worse. Plus, we finished the season 9-4.

You often look at things in a short 2 year window. I mean you must because you are always leaving a program out that has as many conference FB championships as the 3 on your list combined over the last 4 years .

But I understand why you only use a short 2 year window. You do that because going back 3 years UNT was 5-8 and ODU was 10-3. I believe those 10 wins is more than UNT in the history of the program.

Over the past 4 seasons ODU 24 wins UNT 24 wins
Over the past 5 seasons ODU 30 wins UNT 28 wins

Yeah, a blind man can tell why you limit everything for 2 years

I dont buy into some of the advantages the ODU fan listed. Like recruiting, because so far that hasnt helped ODU at all..going by 247 (which I dont put much stock in the star system). They fact they haven't fired the coach is concerning. But a 10 win season makes that tricky

When did this become about North Texas? I was speaking to one point stated by an ODU, regarding his opinion that the Monarchs would overtake Marshall just based on their market advantages. I don't recall ever saying North Texas had it all together.

(07-26-2019 11:34 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:17 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  We’re playing in the FBS after only ten years. Would welcome your interpretation of that leadership. Coming back from 0-28, that was impressive game day leadership as well.

ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

Yes the "expansion" is small. The old clamshells on the sidelines were built in the 40s and nowhere near modern code. If they tried expanding them they we'd would have to be brought up to modern code which would have dropped capacity to 15k ish. The only feasible move was to tear down and build new. It is more of a rebuild than expansion. It is the size it is because we were limited by the state on the amount we could spend.

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Now it makes sense to me. Thank you for the clarification. I do think the renovation looks nice, just couldn't understand why more seats weren't added. Is their a timetable for another expansion?

(07-26-2019 11:51 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 11:34 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

Yes the "expansion" is small. The old clamshells on the sidelines were built in the 40s and nowhere near modern code. If they tried expanding them they we'd would have to be brought up to modern code which would have dropped capacity to 15k ish. The only feasible move was to tear down and build new. It is more of a rebuild than expansion. It is the size it is because we were limited by the state on the amount we could spend.

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Yeah a couple more thousand seats was probably needed. But dont let these fans that have a 30k seat stadium blow too much smoke....

In their history UNT had more fans than the ODU stadium holds ...8 times. That is announced attendance...actual butts maybe once or twice

They fudged attendance in this game almost 50% and overall about 30% in 2017



For the record...UNT also has a losing record in CUSA 37-40 including 0-3 in bowls with a avg score 24.6 to 46.6

ODU 30-31

Ha! Nice try. No one was attending games in 2015. We had a 1-11 season, and our fans were revolting against the AD and trying to get him removed. Of course the AD was posted fluffed up numbers. He was trying to keep his job.

Our crowds last season were legit, and we averaged more than 23,000 a game. Anyone that actually went to a game last season knows this. You should just focus on WKU's attendance issues.

(07-27-2019 12:23 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  SSJ, you've got to understand something. Bobby Wilder is ODU football. When he accepted the head coaching job for the Monarchs, there were no players. There were no coaches. He did not even have an office or a desk. He built this program from scratch, and he has a 62.81% winning record. He has a little bit of a long leash, and it is well deserved. Yes, the temperature of his seat is a little warm this year, but it is my personal opinion that the season will have to be pretty damn bad for him to be let go -- in the zero to two or three or so wins area. And I don't think that is going to happen.

Oh, and just for comparison, here are how ODU and UNT measure up.

* Winning Percentage for the last five years (since ODU joined C-USA)
UNT - 43.75%
ODU - 49.18%

* Bowl wins last five years
UNT - 0
ODU - 1

* Losing seasons last five years
UNT - 3
ODU - 3

* Seats added by new stadium
UNT - 350
ODU - 2,000

UNT

Seasons: 55
Win/Loss Record: 261-327-11
Winning Percentage: 43.57%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 41.13
2009 2-10
2010 3-9
2011 5-7
2012 4-8
2013 9-4
2014 4-8
2015 1-11
2016 5-8
2017 9-5
2018 9-4


Winning Percentage Last 5 years: 43.75%


ODU

Seasons 10
Win/Loss Record: 76-45
Winning Percentage: 62.81%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 62.81%
2009 9-2
2010 8-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2
2013 8-4
2014 6-6
2015 5-7
2016 10-3
2017 5-7
2018 4-8
FBS Winning Percentage: 49.18% (Last 5 years)

So how about it, Joe. Can you back off just a little?

No coach stays forever. If ODU finishes 6th in the east like the media poll predicts, would you really keep him another season?

Again, I don't know when this became about UNT. I don't recall claiming UNT had it all together. North Texas certainly has work to do in several areas. And was not attacking ODU, like the poster who attacked North Texas. I was only speaking to the point that the ODU poster made, claiming ODU's market advantages would move them ahead of Marshall. I disagreed. I think without good leadership those advantages don't mean much, and brought up some issues. Believe me, I want ever program in C-USA to grow and get better, including UNT. I want C-USA to become a better conference. If I didn't, I'd be in favor of the regional realignment like others around here.

(07-27-2019 05:45 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt looks forward to playing the onarchs in the new stadium

odu09 says the proper name is O'Narchs

Side Show, I will address your concerns.

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  * ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

1. Losing record - I believe this one has been handled by Aggie, try taking the plank out of your eye before criticizing the speck in ours. Also I would challenge you to look at records for teams who go from FCS to FBS. Hint - it's not pretty. I'm pretty sure the only team who has done it better than ODU is App State.

2. Wilder also beat Virginia Tech last year, who is the flagship football program of the state who is ranked more often than not. That win alone bought him another season. If we win 4 or fewer games this season, I wouldn't mind a change. Our OOC is pretty challenging this year though with UVA (predicted to win their division) and Va Tech as away games.

3. I don't really care about preseason polls. I do care about how we finish, and see my point above.

4. Adding seats... I don't blame you if you haven't been paying attention, but our stadium is not an addition or an expansion. It's a renovation, with complete demolition of 82 year old elements. Our LEADERSHIP focused on amenities and comfort in the stadium, which equate to more room and therefore less capacity. With how attendance trends across the country with the largest programs in college football declining across the board, I think it was a very smart decision to build based on comfort and drawing fans out from their living rooms rather than trying to cram us in like sardines to get a better capacity number. Please also consider that ODU ticket sales are among the elite in the conference, only ODU and Marshall are making more than $3M each year from ticket sales. Capacity is not the problem, and it's incredibly short-sighted to think like that.

So yes, I think our leadership has done quite well. We now have two of the nicest facilities in football and basketball in the conference, and we have the most private donations in the conference, and we are among the top in ticket sales in the conference. So, we have a lot of fan support. I think that is a very sustainable way to build a program, and the trend is upwards.

Lastly, I will remind you again that even after posting back to back losing seasons, ODU still made the most (with Marshall) in ticket sales, and made the most in private donations. I wonder how the support will look once we are successful on the field again?

(07-27-2019 08:02 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  And was not attacking ODU, like the poster who attacked North Texas. I was only speaking to the point that the ODU poster made, claiming ODU's market advantages would move them ahead of Marshall. I disagreed. I think without good leadership those advantages don't mean much, and brought up some issues. Believe me, I want ever program in C-USA to grow and get better, including UNT. I want C-USA to become a better conference. If I didn't, I'd be in favor of the regional realignment like others around here.

You attacked ODU's leadership. That is attacking ODU. I don't care if you attack or not, but when you do, expect to get hit back. Sorry.

(07-27-2019 12:23 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  SSJ, you've got to understand something. Bobby Wilder is ODU football. When he accepted the head coaching job for the Monarchs, there were no players. There were no coaches. He did not even have an office or a desk. He built this program from scratch, and he has a 62.81% winning record. He has a little bit of a long leash, and it is well deserved. Yes, the temperature of his seat is a little warm this year, but it is my personal opinion that the season will have to be pretty damn bad for him to be let go -- in the zero to two or three or so wins area. And I don't think that is going to happen.

Oh, and just for comparison, here are how ODU and UNT measure up.

* Winning Percentage for the last five years (since ODU joined C-USA)
UNT - 43.75%
ODU - 49.18%

* Bowl wins last five years
UNT - 0
ODU - 1

* Losing seasons last five years
UNT - 3
ODU - 3

* Seats added by new stadium
UNT - 350
ODU - 2,000

UNT

Seasons: 55
Win/Loss Record: 261-327-11
Winning Percentage: 43.57%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 41.13
2009 2-10
2010 3-9
2011 5-7
2012 4-8
2013 9-4
2014 4-8
2015 1-11
2016 5-8
2017 9-5
2018 9-4


Winning Percentage Last 5 years: 43.75%


ODU

Seasons 10
Win/Loss Record: 76-45
Winning Percentage: 62.81%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 62.81%
2009 9-2
2010 8-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2
2013 8-4
2014 6-6
2015 5-7
2016 10-3
2017 5-7
2018 4-8
FBS Winning Percentage: 49.18% (Last 5 years)

So how about it, Joe. Can you back off just a little?

Aggie, not to back up SSJ, believe me, but who cares? Who cares if he is Mr ODU football? He has for the most part stunk it up in fbs. He cannot recruit. I said it in 2014 during our game that he is not an fbs coach. Period. And if you guys don't get to a bowl this year and he isn't fired, then your AD needs to be punted as far as possible.

I’m not trying to start a flame war with ya, man. I just think youd do so much better with a good recruiting oach who can execute.

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:17 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 09:03 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  But, do you have the leadership?

Any advantages ODU may have over others in the east are only important if you have smart leadership that understand how to capitalize on them.

We’re playing in the FBS after only ten years. Would welcome your interpretation of that leadership. Coming back from 0-28, that was impressive game day leadership as well.

ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

Joe, I will give you the bullet points as well. Unlike others i am not taking offense you questioning our leadership frankly how can i, you are located in Tx and you might not know the details of a program in VA.

1. Wilder still being around: Being our one and only coach, longer leash.
2. Pre-season doesn't mean shite.
3. Its a total rebuild not expansion or renovation and limited by State and has to be done in stages so 67.5 MM is all we can afford for stage 1.


You can believe what ever you want to but our leadership is kinda twisted here whether to let go a coach that has brought us here to this point in our 10 year span or put up with a coach who can't recruit at FBS level and win games. In my opinion this is a make or break season for Bobby and honestly he is eating into reserves at this point. Our long season ticket waiting list has vanished and for the first time in our short history we didn't sell out the games last season. So yeah change is around the corner if he doesn't get us results this season, he will be gone because honestly we can't afford fan apathy at our level and the stage of our program.

(07-27-2019 07:44 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 11:34 PM)benny_t Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:28 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-26-2019 10:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  ODU got into the FBS within 10 years, but have not been able to post consecutive winning seasons, and have an overall losing record in C-USA. You brought back your coach for another season, after he posted back to back losing seasons. Plus ODU was picked to finish 6th in the east this year in the preseason media poll. And, you are finishing the smallest stadium expansion I've ever heard of (2..3K more seats. What is the point of that?). None of that seems like quality leadership to me. It may take ODU quite some time to overtake Marshall based on where they are now, and what they appear to be doing.

And, ODU's comeback was par for the course last season. LA Tech, and UAB were able to do that too. That is a big reason why North Texas has a new/better OC this season. Also, even though Apogee is only about 8 years old, we are preparing to renovate and upgrade some of the stadium. I'll post more information (renderings, project budget, time frame, ...) later this fall when more information is made public.

You may be content with ODU's leadership, but based on some of their decisions, I have my doubts.

Way too long to read. But 0-28 clearly still stings. I enjoyed watching it in person. Time will prove my point - just be patient my friend.

Too long? Okay. Here is the pithy version...

* ODU has a losing record in C-USA
* Wilder has back to back losing seasons
* ODU has been picked to finish 6th in the east
* Adding 2 or 3K seats to your stadium is not much of an expansion

I question ODU's leadership and think Marshall remains a more dominant program.

LA Tech & UAB came back on UNT last year too. We have a new/better OC now.

Hope that isn't too long for you.

Yes the "expansion" is small. The old clamshells on the sidelines were built in the 40s and nowhere near modern code. If they tried expanding them they we'd would have to be brought up to modern code which would have dropped capacity to 15k ish. The only feasible move was to tear down and build new. It is more of a rebuild than expansion. It is the size it is because we were limited by the state on the amount we could spend.

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Now it makes sense to me. Thank you for the clarification. I do think the renovation looks nice, just couldn't understand why more seats weren't added. Is their a timetable for another expansion?

The next project is a rebuild of the north endzone. That project will enclose that side of the stadium and connect the east and west sides. They are hoping to do that within the next 3 to 5 years.

That project is also more about fan amenities than expanding capacity. That phase will likely also include additional suites built on the west side and a new club area in the NEZ.

(07-27-2019 09:37 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 12:23 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  SSJ, you've got to understand something. Bobby Wilder is ODU football. When he accepted the head coaching job for the Monarchs, there were no players. There were no coaches. He did not even have an office or a desk. He built this program from scratch, and he has a 62.81% winning record. He has a little bit of a long leash, and it is well deserved. Yes, the temperature of his seat is a little warm this year, but it is my personal opinion that the season will have to be pretty damn bad for him to be let go -- in the zero to two or three or so wins area. And I don't think that is going to happen.

Oh, and just for comparison, here are how ODU and UNT measure up.

* Winning Percentage for the last five years (since ODU joined C-USA)
UNT - 43.75%
ODU - 49.18%

* Bowl wins last five years
UNT - 0
ODU - 1

* Losing seasons last five years
UNT - 3
ODU - 3

* Seats added by new stadium
UNT - 350
ODU - 2,000

UNT

Seasons: 55
Win/Loss Record: 261-327-11
Winning Percentage: 43.57%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 41.13
2009 2-10
2010 3-9
2011 5-7
2012 4-8
2013 9-4
2014 4-8
2015 1-11
2016 5-8
2017 9-5
2018 9-4


Winning Percentage Last 5 years: 43.75%


ODU

Seasons 10
Win/Loss Record: 76-45
Winning Percentage: 62.81%
Record Last 10 years Winning Percentage 62.81%
2009 9-2
2010 8-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2
2013 8-4
2014 6-6
2015 5-7
2016 10-3
2017 5-7
2018 4-8
FBS Winning Percentage: 49.18% (Last 5 years)

So how about it, Joe. Can you back off just a little?

Aggie, not to back up SSJ, believe me, but who cares? Who cares if he is Mr ODU football? He has for the most part stunk it up in fbs. He cannot recruit. I said it in 2014 during our game that he is not an fbs coach. Period. And if you guys don't get to a bowl this year and he isn't fired, then your AD needs to be punted as far as possible.

I’m not trying to start a flame war with ya, man. I just think youd do so much better with a good recruiting oach who can execute.

Well Said. Most of the ODU fans might agree with you on it.

(07-27-2019 09:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 05:45 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt looks forward to playing the onarchs in the new stadium

odu09 says the proper name is O'Narchs

clt says your AD forgot the ‘ on the field.

(07-27-2019 10:00 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 09:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 05:45 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt looks forward to playing the onarchs in the new stadium

odu09 says the proper name is O'Narchs

clt says your AD forgot the ‘ on the field.

NO he didn't. ` went for a run and relax on the beach. You can see him resting on the beach in this picture taken a little while ago.

(07-27-2019 10:11 AM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 10:00 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 09:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(07-27-2019 05:45 AM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt looks forward to playing the onarchs in the new stadium

odu09 says the proper name is O'Narchs

clt says your AD forgot the ‘ on the field.

NO he didn't. ` went for a run and relax on the beach. You can see him resting on the beach in this picture taken a little while ago.

clt says ah yes, Virginia. NC’s hat