(07-25-2019 12:22 PM)odu09 Wrote: Is it just me or do the app st fans come here in bunches? What is a group of app st fans called... not a herd, or a flock... is it a murder? A murder of appys?
Well, I found this list of different names of groups of things are called and have determined that the most appropriate would be a Yoke. A Yoke of Yokels.
(07-23-2019 07:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote: clt says let’s talk water bottle filling stations. What do you have?
Charlotte has one at every restroom.
clt apologizes to usm and marshal fans. Water is what you enjoy when you swim in the creek. You can also drink it as opposed to Mountain Dew. We have stations where you can fill up bottles with pure Fiji water to take back to your seats. You put this water into a yeti or camelbak container.....this is too complicated for y’all sorry
Well, in Mississippi we don't get our drinking water from the restroom.
clt admits that was poorly worded. filling stations are located outside of restrooms.
(07-23-2019 07:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote: clt says let’s talk water bottle filling stations. What do you have?
Charlotte has one at every restroom.
clt apologizes to usm and marshal fans. Water is what you enjoy when you swim in the creek. You can also drink it as opposed to Mountain Dew. We have stations where you can fill up bottles with pure Fiji water to take back to your seats. You put this water into a yeti or camelbak container.....this is too complicated for y’all sorry
Well, in Mississippi we don't get our drinking water from the restroom.
clt admits that was poorly worded. filling stations are located outside of restrooms.
Trying to entice people to the restrooms...with free water. Next thing you know there will be a lollipop stand next to it. What is wrong with you people
(07-23-2019 07:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote: clt says let’s talk water bottle filling stations. What do you have?
Charlotte has one at every restroom.
clt apologizes to usm and marshal fans. Water is what you enjoy when you swim in the creek. You can also drink it as opposed to Mountain Dew. We have stations where you can fill up bottles with pure Fiji water to take back to your seats. You put this water into a yeti or camelbak container.....this is too complicated for y’all sorry
Well, in Mississippi we don't get our drinking water from the restroom.
clt admits that was poorly worded. filling stations are located outside of restrooms.
(07-21-2019 08:42 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: I haven't been to North Texas but based on pictures I would say that they are up there with FAU for the best stadium going off of pictures and reports from others.
Here is how I would list the stadiums in CUSA.
Tier 1- FAU, North Texas
Tier 2- Marshall, So Miss, MTSU, UTSA
Tier 3- ODU, Charlotte, Rice, UTEP, WKU
Tier 4- FIU, La Tech, UAB
Just Curious have been to these Stadiums? because it sure doesnt look like it. Marshall hasnt played at Tech yet.
Tech is one of the stadiums I have not been to. I plan to make the trip next year. I'm happy we are finally playing each other.
Just off pictures alone, I think its really weird that your seating is not even. The upper level is offset from the lower level. That's really weird to me.
I'm guessing you are referring to the wings on the upper levels?
Prior to the South End Zone facility expansion they extended on both sides which helped with the proportioning some, but the updates and renovations over the past few years have done a lot to rejuvenate the Joe, now we just need the team to play like a program with the most NFL draftees since 2013 every game instead of saving it for bowl games so the atmosphere in November is the same as it is in September.
(07-23-2019 07:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote: clt says let’s talk water bottle filling stations. What do you have?
Charlotte has one at every restroom.
clt apologizes to usm and marshal fans. Water is what you enjoy when you swim in the creek. You can also drink it as opposed to Mountain Dew. We have stations where you can fill up bottles with pure Fiji water to take back to your seats. You put this water into a yeti or camelbak container.....this is too complicated for y’all sorry
Well, in Mississippi we don't get our drinking water from the restroom.
clt admits that was poorly worded. filling stations are located outside of restrooms.
(07-22-2019 10:33 AM)SouthernMissSNu Wrote: Stadiums I’ve been to:
1. USM - biased.
t2. Charlotte - New. Friendly fans. Great experience. Bojangles in stadium. The large concourse was a little odd to me, but I understand that it’s designed for expansion. Also, the speaker system was obnoxiously too loud.
t2. WKU - Great “smaller” stadium. Can drink in the stadium. Had an overall good experience, save for some terrible outlier fans (instigated fights, ran into visitor sections to start things, left trash on USM fans vehicles/cars keyed).
4. LA Tech - Personally dislike the typewriter design and how the visiting team has to walk down a staircase to the field. But the atmosphere was great both times. First visit was all around great. Fans were welcoming with good healthy back and forth. Second visit was the exact opposite. They sold tickets to visiting fans behind the student section, and that never turns out well.
The only "tickets" sold in sections M, N, O, or P are for the young alumni chair-backs which are season tickets requiring a donation to the Athletic Coalition. If I had to guess what happened when walking up from the gate prime seats between the 35 and 35 in the lower level were noticed and because the East side is GA (for the second level) fans just began to sit until they were told to move, which probably won't happen unless they are in the Band area or are caught using profanity.
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(07-25-2019 12:13 PM)MonGNARch Wrote: Does Charlotte have a tiered or multiple phase plan for expansion? Or is the plan to go from 16k to 40k in one swoop?
I know the infrastructure is there, is there anything specific that the school is waiting on for expansion? I get not wanting to go too big when you don't need it, but one would think that some plan is in place to get it started. Your stadium and expansion renderings has always interested me
By the original 2008 plans you can add 5000 seats on a lower deck on each side to get to 25k, or also add an additional 7500 seats upper deck on each side as well to get to 40k. So we can go to 20k, then 25k, then 32.5k, and finally 40k. However, new AD is probably going to ask for a redesign with more upscale options like lode boxes and such.
(This post was last modified: 07-25-2019 09:58 PM by 49RFootballNow.)
(07-21-2019 08:42 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: I haven't been to North Texas but based on pictures I would say that they are up there with FAU for the best stadium going off of pictures and reports from others.
Here is how I would list the stadiums in CUSA.
Tier 1- FAU, North Texas
Tier 2- Marshall, So Miss, MTSU, UTSA
Tier 3- ODU, Charlotte, Rice, UTEP, WKU
Tier 4- FIU, La Tech, UAB
Just Curious have been to these Stadiums? because it sure doesnt look like it. Marshall hasnt played at Tech yet.
Tech is one of the stadiums I have not been to. I plan to make the trip next year. I'm happy we are finally playing each other.
Just off pictures alone, I think its really weird that your seating is not even. The upper level is offset from the lower level. That's really weird to me.
I'm guessing you are referring to the wings on the upper levels?
Prior to the South End Zone facility expansion they extended on both sides which helped with the proportioning some, but the updates and renovations over the past few years have done a lot to rejuvenate the Joe, now we just need the team to play like a program with the most NFL draftees since 2013 every game instead of saving it for bowl games so the atmosphere in November is the same as it is in September.
First of all, Tech does not have upper or lower levels. Their stadium is like a bowl, no upper or lower. They put some railings around on each side but never figured out what they were for. Secondly, the reason it is lopsided is because they removed seating from south end of both sides in order to make room to squeeze in the new end zone facility. Look at the ears on the north of both sides, that is what the south side looked like prior to renovations. Removing those two sections reduced seating to 26,850 but they were able to bump that back up to about 27,150 by adding about 300 in the south end zone facility. They lost some "skybox seating" when pressbox was redone but made those losses up by seats available in the suites they added so the 27,150 was maintained. They list the seating somewhat higher but that must be including the berm area around the scoreboard on north end.
(07-21-2019 08:42 PM)herdfan129 Wrote: I haven't been to North Texas but based on pictures I would say that they are up there with FAU for the best stadium going off of pictures and reports from others.
Here is how I would list the stadiums in CUSA.
Tier 1- FAU, North Texas
Tier 2- Marshall, So Miss, MTSU, UTSA
Tier 3- ODU, Charlotte, Rice, UTEP, WKU
Tier 4- FIU, La Tech, UAB
Just Curious have been to these Stadiums? because it sure doesnt look like it. Marshall hasnt played at Tech yet.
Tech is one of the stadiums I have not been to. I plan to make the trip next year. I'm happy we are finally playing each other.
Just off pictures alone, I think its really weird that your seating is not even. The upper level is offset from the lower level. That's really weird to me.
I'm guessing you are referring to the wings on the upper levels?
Prior to the South End Zone facility expansion they extended on both sides which helped with the proportioning some, but the updates and renovations over the past few years have done a lot to rejuvenate the Joe, now we just need the team to play like a program with the most NFL draftees since 2013 every game instead of saving it for bowl games so the atmosphere in November is the same as it is in September.
First of all, Tech does not have upper or lower levels. Their stadium is like a bowl, no upper or lower. They put some railings around on each side but never figured out what they were for. Secondly, the reason it is lopsided is because they removed seating from south end of both sides in order to make room to squeeze in the new end zone facility. Look at the ears on the north of both sides, that is what the south side looked like prior to renovations. Removing those two sections reduced seating to 26,850 but they were able to bump that back up to about 27,150 by adding about 300 in the south end zone facility. They lost some "skybox seating" when pressbox was redone but made those losses up by seats available in the suites they added so the 27,150 was maintained. They list the seating somewhat higher but that must be including the berm area around the scoreboard on north end.
Well those railings you don't see the point of may be there for the 8' height difference between the top and lower sections, but what do I know I've only attended all but a handful of home games over the last quarter century.
(07-22-2019 12:49 AM)Dawgxas Wrote: Just Curious have been to these Stadiums? because it sure doesnt look like it. Marshall hasnt played at Tech yet.
Tech is one of the stadiums I have not been to. I plan to make the trip next year. I'm happy we are finally playing each other.
Just off pictures alone, I think its really weird that your seating is not even. The upper level is offset from the lower level. That's really weird to me.
I'm guessing you are referring to the wings on the upper levels?
Prior to the South End Zone facility expansion they extended on both sides which helped with the proportioning some, but the updates and renovations over the past few years have done a lot to rejuvenate the Joe, now we just need the team to play like a program with the most NFL draftees since 2013 every game instead of saving it for bowl games so the atmosphere in November is the same as it is in September.
First of all, Tech does not have upper or lower levels. Their stadium is like a bowl, no upper or lower. They put some railings around on each side but never figured out what they were for. Secondly, the reason it is lopsided is because they removed seating from south end of both sides in order to make room to squeeze in the new end zone facility. Look at the ears on the north of both sides, that is what the south side looked like prior to renovations. Removing those two sections reduced seating to 26,850 but they were able to bump that back up to about 27,150 by adding about 300 in the south end zone facility. They lost some "skybox seating" when pressbox was redone but made those losses up by seats available in the suites they added so the 27,150 was maintained. They list the seating somewhat higher but that must be including the berm area around the scoreboard on north end.
Well those railings you don't see the point of may be there for the 8' height difference between the top and lower sections, but what do I know I've only attended all but a handful of home games over the last quarter century.
The stadium has four entrances on each side. Using either one a fan follows the concourse to its opening onto the field. There is a walkway to right or left extending from end to end. The stadium is in a hole so when entering there are rows of seats below that walkway and rows above but no wall or any change in the normal progressing elevation as the aisles start down at field level and extend uninterrupted all the way to the top of the stadium. Where is that 8' height elevation? Maybe those railings are there so lucky fans can find a place to prop their feet.
(07-22-2019 10:26 AM)herdfan129 Wrote: Tech is one of the stadiums I have not been to. I plan to make the trip next year. I'm happy we are finally playing each other.
Just off pictures alone, I think its really weird that your seating is not even. The upper level is offset from the lower level. That's really weird to me.
I'm guessing you are referring to the wings on the upper levels?
Prior to the South End Zone facility expansion they extended on both sides which helped with the proportioning some, but the updates and renovations over the past few years have done a lot to rejuvenate the Joe, now we just need the team to play like a program with the most NFL draftees since 2013 every game instead of saving it for bowl games so the atmosphere in November is the same as it is in September.
First of all, Tech does not have upper or lower levels. Their stadium is like a bowl, no upper or lower. They put some railings around on each side but never figured out what they were for. Secondly, the reason it is lopsided is because they removed seating from south end of both sides in order to make room to squeeze in the new end zone facility. Look at the ears on the north of both sides, that is what the south side looked like prior to renovations. Removing those two sections reduced seating to 26,850 but they were able to bump that back up to about 27,150 by adding about 300 in the south end zone facility. They lost some "skybox seating" when pressbox was redone but made those losses up by seats available in the suites they added so the 27,150 was maintained. They list the seating somewhat higher but that must be including the berm area around the scoreboard on north end.
Well those railings you don't see the point of may be there for the 8' height difference between the top and lower sections, but what do I know I've only attended all but a handful of home games over the last quarter century.
The stadium has four entrances on each side. Using either one a fan follows the concourse to its opening onto the field. There is a walkway to right or left extending from end to end. The stadium is in a hole so when entering there are rows of seats below that walkway and rows above but no wall or any change in the normal progressing elevation as the aisles start down at field level and extend uninterrupted all the way to the top of the stadium. Where is that 8' height elevation? Maybe those railings are there so lucky fans can find a place to prop their feet.
Apparently I was overestimating the height, it appears to be just over 6' tall, but there is a wall separating the upper and lower sections.
(07-26-2019 10:49 AM)USM@FTL Wrote: There are high school stadiums in Texas bigger than Charlotte's. You guys really need to get up to 30k, as does everyone under that number or seats.
Why over 30k when no one in this conference is averaging close to that in real numbers? Hell at 30k no one in this conference is filling 2/3 of those seats
USM put 20k or close to that in the stands vs a SEC school and a home opener. Now if you read the article on that it will tell you USM did not give away 1000s of tickets like they were doing in the past. I would guess there was at least 2500 uk fans among that 20k
edit:22,761 at the uk game
So again, explain to me why you need 30k? I bet you can count on 2 hands the number of times 30k actual paying fans (current CUSA schools) watched a CUSA game in the last 10 years. I'm not talking about these fake ass numbers in a box score because no matter if we want to admit it or not...
90% of us know they are fake and not with in 25 to 30% of asses in seats.
(This post was last modified: 07-26-2019 11:11 AM by WKUYG.)
(07-26-2019 10:49 AM)USM@FTL Wrote: There are high school stadiums in Texas bigger than Charlotte's. You guys really need to get up to 30k, as does everyone under that number or seats.
Why over 30k when no one in this conference is averaging close to that in real numbers? Hell at 30k no one in this conference is filling 2/3 of those seats
USM put 20k or close to that in the stands vs a SEC school and a home opener. Now if you read the article on that it will tell you USM did not give away 1000s of tickets like they were doing in the past. I would guess there was at least 2500 uk fans among that 20k
So again, explain to me why you need 30k? I bet you can count on 2 hands the number of times 30k actual paying fans (current CUSA schools) watched a CUSA game in the last 10 years. I'm not talking about these fake ass numbers in a box score because no matter if we want to admit it or not...
90% of us know they are fake and not with in 25 to 30% of asses in seats.
Obviously if you sell 20k tickets, you're not going to have 20k people at a game. If you are lucky, you'll get 90%. I guess it would get complicated if you had a 15k seat stadium, but you could sell 18k tickets knowing only 10k people will actually be at the game. How would you handle that? Oversell and make all seats general admission?
Seems like it is better to have a stadium that can handle the upper end of how many tickets you can sell. As a separate step, work to improve game day experience so those who purchase tickets show up.
In UNCC's case, I don't see where they would need a 30k seat stadium. Maybe 20k, tops.
(07-26-2019 10:49 AM)USM@FTL Wrote: There are high school stadiums in Texas bigger than Charlotte's. You guys really need to get up to 30k, as does everyone under that number or seats.
clt says we are certainly going to expand, but will likely add more suites and club areas than previously intended.
(07-26-2019 10:49 AM)USM@FTL Wrote: There are high school stadiums in Texas bigger than Charlotte's. You guys really need to get up to 30k, as does everyone under that number or seats.
Why over 30k when no one in this conference is averaging close to that in real numbers? Hell at 30k no one in this conference is filling 2/3 of those seats
USM put 20k or close to that in the stands vs a SEC school and a home opener. Now if you read the article on that it will tell you USM did not give away 1000s of tickets like they were doing in the past. I would guess there was at least 2500 uk fans among that 20k
So again, explain to me why you need 30k? I bet you can count on 2 hands the number of times 30k actual paying fans (current CUSA schools) watched a CUSA game in the last 10 years. I'm not talking about these fake ass numbers in a box score because no matter if we want to admit it or not...
90% of us know they are fake and not with in 25 to 30% of asses in seats.
Obviously if you sell 20k tickets, you're not going to have 20k people at a game. If you are lucky, you'll get 90%. I guess it would get complicated if you had a 15k seat stadium, but you could sell 18k tickets knowing only 10k people will actually be at the game. How would you handle that? Oversell and make all seats general admission?
Seems like it is better to have a stadium that can handle the upper end of how many tickets you can sell. As a separate step, work to improve game day experience so those who purchase tickets show up.
In UNCC's case, I don't see where they would need a 30k seat stadium. Maybe 20k, tops.
Those that have a stadium seating 32k to 40k there's nothing you can do to lower the unused seats other than tarp off. Or spend millions remodeling, which would crazy unless you were bring it up to date.
For those under 30k or building today it would be just as crazy to spend millions on something you might use once or twice a decade. My personal opinion is to do a avg of actual attendance over the last 10 years and find a number that fits and allows for a 10 to 15% growth. So I think any stadium in CUSA that has 25k in seats would fit into that mold.
More and more fans are staying home because they can watch on TV and most of the time a very clear picture. That's the facts and winning doesnt seem to much of a factor in increased attendance.
Finding that sweet spot
(This post was last modified: 07-26-2019 11:43 AM by WKUYG.)
(07-25-2019 03:07 PM)SICemDAWGS! Wrote: I'm guessing you are referring to the wings on the upper levels?
Prior to the South End Zone facility expansion they extended on both sides which helped with the proportioning some, but the updates and renovations over the past few years have done a lot to rejuvenate the Joe, now we just need the team to play like a program with the most NFL draftees since 2013 every game instead of saving it for bowl games so the atmosphere in November is the same as it is in September.
First of all, Tech does not have upper or lower levels. Their stadium is like a bowl, no upper or lower. They put some railings around on each side but never figured out what they were for. Secondly, the reason it is lopsided is because they removed seating from south end of both sides in order to make room to squeeze in the new end zone facility. Look at the ears on the north of both sides, that is what the south side looked like prior to renovations. Removing those two sections reduced seating to 26,850 but they were able to bump that back up to about 27,150 by adding about 300 in the south end zone facility. They lost some "skybox seating" when pressbox was redone but made those losses up by seats available in the suites they added so the 27,150 was maintained. They list the seating somewhat higher but that must be including the berm area around the scoreboard on north end.
Well those railings you don't see the point of may be there for the 8' height difference between the top and lower sections, but what do I know I've only attended all but a handful of home games over the last quarter century.
The stadium has four entrances on each side. Using either one a fan follows the concourse to its opening onto the field. There is a walkway to right or left extending from end to end. The stadium is in a hole so when entering there are rows of seats below that walkway and rows above but no wall or any change in the normal progressing elevation as the aisles start down at field level and extend uninterrupted all the way to the top of the stadium. Where is that 8' height elevation? Maybe those railings are there so lucky fans can find a place to prop their feet.
Apparently I was overestimating the height, it appears to be just over 6' tall, but there is a wall separating the upper and lower sections.
Looks like a game of semantics. I felt the comments insinuated there were two or more levels in the STRUCTURE of the stadium which would be incorrect. I agree there is a more or less partition, not part of the stadium permanent structure, that as part of the railings does separate the sections along the walkway. There are no higher or lower levels, just uninterrupted ascending rows of seats from top to bottom.
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