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The 12th member of the AAC will be?
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The 12th member of the AAC will be?
Note the question is WILL not should
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RE: The 12th member of the AAC will be?
No One.


No one is worth taking at this point.


Any possible members will be there in 5 years.


AAC would be dumb to rush into an expansion.
07-15-2019 04:34 PM
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Air Force
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(07-15-2019 04:34 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  No One.


No one is worth taking at this point.


Any possible members will be there in 5 years.


AAC would be dumb to rush into an expansion.

I agree. They won't take anyone if they don't have to.
07-15-2019 05:03 PM
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(07-15-2019 04:34 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  No One.


No one is worth taking at this point.


Any possible members will be there in 5 years.


AAC would be dumb to rush into an expansion.

That got my vote. Down the road, we’ll see.

BYU and the XMen won’t come.
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I think we're going to get some wild surprise addition that isn't listed.
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(07-15-2019 04:32 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Note the question is WILL not should

Why didn't you include West Virginia in your choices?
07-15-2019 05:31 PM
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I voted Rice for academics and TV market.
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BYU, but not until 2025 when their P5 options are exhausted. AAC staying at 11 until then.
07-15-2019 07:11 PM
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(07-15-2019 05:31 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-15-2019 04:32 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Note the question is WILL not should

Why didn't you include West Virginia in your choices?

WVU is not leaving a P5 for a G5
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(07-15-2019 06:38 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  I voted Rice for academics and TV market.

Here I thought there was a school in Houston in conference.

What a joke
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(07-15-2019 09:21 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(07-15-2019 06:38 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  I voted Rice for academics and TV market.

Here I thought there was a school in Houston in conference.

What a joke

FWIW, Houston is a big enough metro to carry two upper G5 programs. LA has two PAC schools.

Rice is a more polarized version of Tulane. I don't think we can throw stones at Rice.
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(07-15-2019 05:09 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I think we're going to get some wild surprise addition that isn't listed.
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No one at the moment. They might add someone a little bit down the lane but now i don't see a clear candidate.
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I picked ODU. ODU would be perfect as a travel partner for ECU for all sports. Football is better than UConn. and their men's basketball could help the AAC's sos as well since they been winning games the past 10 years. There are nobody close to EDU to help them out.
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(07-15-2019 06:38 PM)P5PACSEC Wrote:  I voted Rice for academics and TV market.


Rice is as worst as UConn. in football and men's basketball.It is being diluted by schools that have no fan support for football as is.
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If they don't pick the X-Men then they're out of their cotton-picking mind.

Can you imagine the ratings that football team would get?
07-15-2019 11:58 PM
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I voted none, for the next few years anyway. I actually think the AAC may compromise with UConn and let their football stay on the schedule as a counting non-conference opponent (receiving exactly $0 in revenue and distributions) for 2020 at least (2021 less likely) -- this is what the Big Sky did with North Dakota for 2018 and 2019 football seasons. Partly I think they'll do this to kick the can down the road a year or two before applying for a waiver or getting a vote to allow them to ditch divisions, as a decent chunk of their TV deal with ESPN requires a CCG. Neither the American nor ESPN wants to be rushed into making a decision.

That said not all candidates are equal. Below numbers are from the Equity in Athletics (US Department of Education) report all schools are required to submit annually (the Academies don't, so no clue on their budgets).

First we can eliminate the schools well below the desired budget of $45M/year or more (based off equity in Athletics report, where 10 of the AAC schools had athletic budgets north of $48M ... (Tulsa and ECU lagged, but at least Tulsa FB and MBB were withing the league norm)

These schools are all below $40M and for all intents and purposes out of the running, just on resources.

Tier-4 schools below $40M: UMass, UNT, FIU, Wyoming, Miami U, Texas State, SJSU+
Tier-5 schools below $35M: USU, UAB, MTSU, Akron, Buffalo, Boise State*, Charlotte, Georgia State, CMich, WMich, ULL, Troy, EMich, Marshall
Tier-6 schools below $30M: Kent, Ohio U, Toledo, CCU, Ball State, FAU, UTEP, App State, WKU, USA, NIU
Tier-7 schools below $25M: NMSU, BGSU, USM, Louisiana Tech,
Tier-8 schools below $20M: Georgia Southern, Arkansas State, ULM

+ SJSU has upper 50 percentile of G5 budget and resources, just poorly managed, lack investment in Olympics, facilities.
* Boise State surprised me. But then again they operate very efficiently with a very low (for G5) subsidy percentage.

Just looking at the resources required I get a very short list:

Tier 1: BYU, CSU
-- Army and Air Force we'll call tier 1/2

Tier 2: SDSU, Fresno State
-- total budget is tier 1, but short in FB and/or MB.

Tier 3: Hawaii, Rice, UNLV, Nevada, ODU, New Mexico, Liberty
-- Liberty is a non starter
-- only Rice has close to sufficient MBB and FB budgets

When you take geography into account (San Diego State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, UNLV, New Mexico), and boot Liberty as problematic for the AAC to consider, the list pars down to:

BYU, Colorado State, Army, Air Force, Rice, ODU

BYU is too locked into it's Independent schedule for the next 4-5 years to move (too many costly buyouts required) and it makes much more sense for them to wait until 2025 to see if they can get in the B12. The MWC schools will similarly want to wait out the B12 realignment to see where things stand -- their TV contract will be designed to get them to 2025 only. Colorado State has a good chance at the B12 (if you go by resource level a very good chance). Army was in C-USA and did not like it, and are enjoying a successful run as an Independent.

When you cut through that, only two schools have the resources (when factoring in $4-5M more per year in revenue form the American) and willingness to join immediately; Rice and Old Dominion. But neither work for the American.
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Unless it's BYU, Air Force, or Army. Nobody.

It's ridiculous to think Colorado State, ODU, or a team with "potential" will add any value, they won't.
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Aresco said nobody out west has reached out, so might as well remove those MWC teams and BYU from the list because they’re unrealistic. Army too.
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