The city would screw the university in a heartbeat. Believe it. Until we have an OCS there is not a damn thing we can do about it Same as it ever was.



Tenn 45, The Citadel 6,
Oct 1 1983
In Memphis

(07-02-2019 10:58 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  No, the City and the Grizzlies have right of first refusal.

It's an iron-clad contract too.

It might take the courts to decide but the contract is with the city of Memphis not the University of Memphis. Those are not related entities and the city can’t enter into a contract that restricts the rights and decisions of an entity they do not own and control. If the Univ built a stadium or arena on campus EPE would have no control Unless the Univ signed a similar type of non compete agreement. Which we would not.

As for what EPE or the city does for scheduling events at FEF or LBMS, it’s business. We had an interest in the Pyramid but signed away that interest. We could have owned the Pyramid outright but financial considerations made more sense for us in FEF.

There is a good working relationship with FEF and the city but it’s a choice not a right.

(07-02-2019 11:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The city would screw the university in a heartbeat. Believe it. Until we have an OCS there is not a damn thing we can do about it Same as it ever was.



Tenn 45, The Citadel 6,
Oct 1 1983
In Memphis

Also the following. I'm not sure what skunk think has changed.

90 Rebs vs. Vols
95 Rebs vs. Razorbacks
96 Rebs vs. Vols

(07-03-2019 08:54 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 11:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The city would screw the university in a heartbeat. Believe it. Until we have an OCS there is not a damn thing we can do about it Same as it ever was.



Tenn 45, The Citadel 6,
Oct 1 1983
In Memphis

Also the following. I'm not sure what skunk think has changed.

90 Rebs vs. Vols
95 Rebs vs. Razorbacks
96 Rebs vs. Vols

Cant see any of those schools giving up a home game now to play in LBMS. Vaught Hemingway only seated about 40,000 back in 1990 so it at least made some sense to play it in a larger stadium. The 95 & 96 Ole Miss games were when the Rebels were on probation and Morgan Keegan (I think) guaranteed them like $1M for each game or something like that. Those were the days before massive TV contracts and I can remember Ole Miss was stretched so thin financially, they skipped painting the end zones at VH for a year or 2 to save some $$.

Elvis Presley Enterprises was FINALLY allowed to continue building their venue, after the City of Memphis and the Grizzlies tried to block it.

https://theblast.com/50221/elvis-presley...y-blocking

(07-03-2019 09:10 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 08:54 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 11:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The city would screw the university in a heartbeat. Believe it. Until we have an OCS there is not a damn thing we can do about it Same as it ever was.



Tenn 45, The Citadel 6,
Oct 1 1983
In Memphis

Also the following. I'm not sure what skunk think has changed.

90 Rebs vs. Vols
95 Rebs vs. Razorbacks
96 Rebs vs. Vols

Cant see any of those schools giving up a home game now to play in LBMS. Vaught Hemingway only seated about 40,000 back in 1990 so it at least made some sense to play it in a larger stadium. The 95 & 96 Ole Miss games were when the Rebels were on probation and Morgan Keegan (I think) guaranteed them like $1M for each game or something like that. Those were the days before massive TV contracts and I can remember Ole Miss was stretched so thin financially, they skipped painting the end zones at VH for a year or 2 to save some $$.

That's why I don't think it will happen....not because the city will refuse to rent the building.

(07-03-2019 09:24 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Elvis Presley Enterprises was FINALLY allowed to continue building their venue, after the City of Memphis and the Grizzlies tried to block it.

https://theblast.com/50221/elvis-presley...y-blocking

Time to get correctly informed:

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5360/H...orum-lease

My high school football team came to a UT game in Memphis several times. Everybody was a UT fan. Off Ut years we came for a Memphis game.

Coming to Memphis for LB games and going to Tiger games specifically is how I became the odd Tiger fan in our town and eventually my home and 3 degrees from UM[/align]

(07-03-2019 10:14 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:24 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Elvis Presley Enterprises was FINALLY allowed to continue building their venue, after the City of Memphis and the Grizzlies tried to block it.

https://theblast.com/50221/elvis-presley...y-blocking

Time to get correctly informed:

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5360/H...orum-lease

So you're saying they didn't try to block it?

(07-03-2019 09:43 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:10 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 08:54 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(07-02-2019 11:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The city would screw the university in a heartbeat. Believe it. Until we have an OCS there is not a damn thing we can do about it Same as it ever was.



Tenn 45, The Citadel 6,
Oct 1 1983
In Memphis

Also the following. I'm not sure what skunk think has changed.

90 Rebs vs. Vols
95 Rebs vs. Razorbacks
96 Rebs vs. Vols

Cant see any of those schools giving up a home game now to play in LBMS. Vaught Hemingway only seated about 40,000 back in 1990 so it at least made some sense to play it in a larger stadium. The 95 & 96 Ole Miss games were when the Rebels were on probation and Morgan Keegan (I think) guaranteed them like $1M for each game or something like that. Those were the days before massive TV contracts and I can remember Ole Miss was stretched so thin financially, they skipped painting the end zones at VH for a year or 2 to save some $$.

That's why I don't think it will happen....not because the city will refuse to rent the building.

I’m aboard this train of thought as well. A buy game may be possible, but I’d be very surprised if a FBS program is willing to give up a home gate and at going buy game rates would it be a good investment for UT?

(07-03-2019 10:44 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:14 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:24 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Elvis Presley Enterprises was FINALLY allowed to continue building their venue, after the City of Memphis and the Grizzlies tried to block it.

https://theblast.com/50221/elvis-presley...y-blocking

Time to get correctly informed:

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5360/H...orum-lease

So you're saying they didn't try to block it?

Graceland can do what it wants. Should they decide to build their own 5,000+ arena, they'll just have to do it without City of Memphis funding. Read the previous article I linked. It really explains the situation and correctly clears up alot of the tired, nonfactual statements that tend to show up time and time. On a good note, yesterday the City and Graceland reached an agreement on $75 million more in incentives for the continued remaking of the Graceland campus. Graceland is the 2nd most visited home in the U.S. behind the white House.
https://dailymemphian.com/section/metroc...es-forward

(07-03-2019 11:15 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:44 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:14 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:24 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Elvis Presley Enterprises was FINALLY allowed to continue building their venue, after the City of Memphis and the Grizzlies tried to block it.

https://theblast.com/50221/elvis-presley...y-blocking

Time to get correctly informed:

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5360/H...orum-lease

So you're saying they didn't try to block it?

Graceland can do what it wants. Should they decide to build their own 5,000+ arena, they'll just have to do it without City of Memphis funding. Read the previous article I linked. It really explains the situation and correctly clears up alot of the tired, nonfactual statements that tend to show up time and time. On a good note, yesterday the City and Graceland reached an agreement on $75 million more in incentives for the continued remaking of the Graceland campus. Graceland is the 2nd most visited home in the U.S. behind the white House.
https://dailymemphian.com/section/metroc...es-forward

Graceland already had initial approval, and then the City Council pushed back because of the non-compete clause.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5258/W...-expansion

Quote:They are part of a list of new developments at Graceland for which the administration agreed to help provide incentives, including sales tax and property tax rebates and upping the draw Graceland gets on a tax increment financing – or TIF – district that makes up the Graceland campus.

Weinshanker raised the possibility of litigation to hold the city to its pledge even without city council approval.

“The city, who has a legal obligation to try to help push this through, is actually pushing it back. They keep on changing our agreement because the agreement has to get more specific,” Weinshanker said. "They ask us for a change. We make a small change. And then the city council -- the part that's being controlled by the mayor, basically has said, 'Now that it's changed, we have to push it back.'"

But whatever. If the Grizzlies can try to block city funding of Graceland due to a non-compete clause, they could certainly do the same for any attempt to build an on-campus stadium.

(07-03-2019 11:35 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 11:15 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:44 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:14 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:24 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Elvis Presley Enterprises was FINALLY allowed to continue building their venue, after the City of Memphis and the Grizzlies tried to block it.

https://theblast.com/50221/elvis-presley...y-blocking

Time to get correctly informed:

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5360/H...orum-lease

So you're saying they didn't try to block it?

Graceland can do what it wants. Should they decide to build their own 5,000+ arena, they'll just have to do it without City of Memphis funding. Read the previous article I linked. It really explains the situation and correctly clears up alot of the tired, nonfactual statements that tend to show up time and time. On a good note, yesterday the City and Graceland reached an agreement on $75 million more in incentives for the continued remaking of the Graceland campus. Graceland is the 2nd most visited home in the U.S. behind the white House.
https://dailymemphian.com/section/metroc...es-forward

Graceland already had initial approval, and then the City Council pushed back because of the non-compete clause.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5258/W...-expansion

Quote:They are part of a list of new developments at Graceland for which the administration agreed to help provide incentives, including sales tax and property tax rebates and upping the draw Graceland gets on a tax increment financing – or TIF – district that makes up the Graceland campus.

Weinshanker raised the possibility of litigation to hold the city to its pledge even without city council approval.

“The city, who has a legal obligation to try to help push this through, is actually pushing it back. They keep on changing our agreement because the agreement has to get more specific,” Weinshanker said. "They ask us for a change. We make a small change. And then the city council -- the part that's being controlled by the mayor, basically has said, 'Now that it's changed, we have to push it back.'"

But whatever. If the Grizzlies can try to block city funding of Graceland due to a non-compete clause, they could certainly do the same for any attempt to build an on-campus stadium.

No, they couldn't, because we would NOT be getting funding from the City of Memphis. We are a STATE university, not a CITY university. Stated another way, we do not need permission from the city of Memphis for construction projects, we need permission from our own BOG and the state of Tennessee legislature.

(07-03-2019 12:24 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 11:35 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 11:15 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:44 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:14 AM)UofMark Wrote:  Time to get correctly informed:

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5360/H...orum-lease

So you're saying they didn't try to block it?

Graceland can do what it wants. Should they decide to build their own 5,000+ arena, they'll just have to do it without City of Memphis funding. Read the previous article I linked. It really explains the situation and correctly clears up alot of the tired, nonfactual statements that tend to show up time and time. On a good note, yesterday the City and Graceland reached an agreement on $75 million more in incentives for the continued remaking of the Graceland campus. Graceland is the 2nd most visited home in the U.S. behind the white House.
https://dailymemphian.com/section/metroc...es-forward

Graceland already had initial approval, and then the City Council pushed back because of the non-compete clause.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5258/W...-expansion

Quote:They are part of a list of new developments at Graceland for which the administration agreed to help provide incentives, including sales tax and property tax rebates and upping the draw Graceland gets on a tax increment financing – or TIF – district that makes up the Graceland campus.

Weinshanker raised the possibility of litigation to hold the city to its pledge even without city council approval.

“The city, who has a legal obligation to try to help push this through, is actually pushing it back. They keep on changing our agreement because the agreement has to get more specific,” Weinshanker said. "They ask us for a change. We make a small change. And then the city council -- the part that's being controlled by the mayor, basically has said, 'Now that it's changed, we have to push it back.'"

But whatever. If the Grizzlies can try to block city funding of Graceland due to a non-compete clause, they could certainly do the same for any attempt to build an on-campus stadium.

No, they couldn't, because we would NOT be getting funding from the City of Memphis. We are a STATE university, not a CITY university.

Ok, I guess that makes sense... because the UofM is also tax-exempt, so city tax credits wouldn't help either.

I must have opened the wrong thread. I thought this was about Tennessee wanting to play in the Liberty Bowl.

(07-03-2019 12:43 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I must have opened the wrong thread. I thought this was about Tennessee wanting to play in the Liberty Bowl.

Someone brought up an OCS and it was all downhill from there.

(07-03-2019 12:43 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I must have opened the wrong thread. I thought this was about Tennessee wanting to play in the Liberty Bowl.

And we were saying if we played in an OCS, this wouldn't be a problem.

(07-03-2019 12:43 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I must have opened the wrong thread. I thought this was about Tennessee wanting to play in the Liberty Bowl.

(07-03-2019 11:35 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 11:15 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:44 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 10:14 AM)UofMark Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 09:24 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  Elvis Presley Enterprises was FINALLY allowed to continue building their venue, after the City of Memphis and the Grizzlies tried to block it.

https://theblast.com/50221/elvis-presley...y-blocking

Time to get correctly informed:

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5360/H...orum-lease

So you're saying they didn't try to block it?

Graceland can do what it wants. Should they decide to build their own 5,000+ arena, they'll just have to do it without City of Memphis funding. Read the previous article I linked. It really explains the situation and correctly clears up alot of the tired, nonfactual statements that tend to show up time and time. On a good note, yesterday the City and Graceland reached an agreement on $75 million more in incentives for the continued remaking of the Graceland campus. Graceland is the 2nd most visited home in the U.S. behind the white House.
https://dailymemphian.com/section/metroc...es-forward

Graceland already had initial approval, and then the City Council pushed back because of the non-compete clause.

https://dailymemphian.com/article/5258/W...-expansion

Quote:They are part of a list of new developments at Graceland for which the administration agreed to help provide incentives, including sales tax and property tax rebates and upping the draw Graceland gets on a tax increment financing – or TIF – district that makes up the Graceland campus.

Weinshanker raised the possibility of litigation to hold the city to its pledge even without city council approval.

“The city, who has a legal obligation to try to help push this through, is actually pushing it back. They keep on changing our agreement because the agreement has to get more specific,” Weinshanker said. "They ask us for a change. We make a small change. And then the city council -- the part that's being controlled by the mayor, basically has said, 'Now that it's changed, we have to push it back.'"

But whatever. If the Grizzlies can try to block city funding of Graceland due to a non-compete clause, they could certainly do the same for any attempt to build an on-campus stadium.

They can only do that if the city and country helps fund it. If UofM pays for the stadium itself, they Grizz cannot block

(07-03-2019 12:43 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I must have opened the wrong thread. I thought this was about Tennessee wanting to play in the Liberty Bowl.

Good point. When Tennessee played the Citadel here in 1983, the attendance was a stout 20,000. That was probably with a $12 ticket. Imagine trying to promote a game like that here today with a $75 ticket. It'd be lucky to get 20k. I'm also sure Phil Fulmer would love to visit the place that arguably gave him the lowest point in his coaching career. But just in case he reads this, I've included a picture of the current signage at both Early Maxwell entrances to Tiger Lane.