(05-15-2019 08:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 07:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 07:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 06:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  https://yellowhammernews.com/state-rep-j...the-press/

Rep. John Rogers (D-Birmingham) admitted that he believes abortion is murder and suggested it is better to “kill” these babies now instead of later after growing up in poverty and turning to crime.

He said, according to Alabama Political Reporter, “Some children are just unwanted. You either kill them now or you kill them later in the electric chair.”

He followed that up by saying, “I may bring a bill to force all men to have vasectomies. That would end this whole debate.”
________

You are missing out on nailing the less than 1 term jackazz that was the beneficiary of the last minute sexual accusation (which proved false) against Roy Moore, that was part of the dirty Dem PAC money in action in the last Alabama election. Lying Doug Jones is another that needs to be replaced for some of the same reasons.

many cultures throughout history have practiced infanticide. I doubt anty have tried to justify it with pride as the democrats do in our culture. it is what it is. no one wants to call it what it is. astonishing really.

I'm not saying I agree with the law or that all abortion should be illegal, that's for our culture to decide.

but trying to call it anything other than what it is is more bullshite semantics.

democrats favor infanticide, they need to just say it and be honest.

Then if you want to skip the 'bullshite semantics':

republicans hate to have women have control over their own bodies. they need to just say it and be be honest. its amazing that no one wants to to call it what it is.

That is the exact corollary of your argument.

I'm pretty sure republicans hate that a mother can have her own child killed. It's not that complex an issue.

(05-15-2019 09:49 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If a woman gets pregnant after being raped, that stinks. But it happens so rarely that it's not even worth discussing. 99.99% of abortions in America are 100% elective after consensual sex.

But it DOES happen. It's a topic that's absolutely worthy of discussion - we are not discussing something as ridiculous as "what if a woman gets pregnant after being shot full of alien semen from a Martian death ray gun?"

0.001% - Incest
0.065% - Life of mother
0.085% - Rape

All three of these components represent statistical zero you understand, right? 0.151% combined...

(05-15-2019 10:47 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 11:43 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 11:38 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Don't get pregnant in Alabama then. You might have to keep it.

Dont get raped and impregnated by your father in Alabama. You'll now have to keep it.

Pretty sure you can get the next morning pill if the things you say happen. Shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to figure out your uncle joe raped you. Poor argument.

What a disgusting reply. "Hey Little Susie! I know Uncle Joe raped 11 year old you.... and it sucks you just realized you're pregnant (btw, do you even know what that means yet?)... but why didnt you just wobble on down to the local Piggly Woggly and buy that ole Day After pill when ta had the chance ? I guess it's your fault. Sorry... kiddos yours now!"

At least little Susie is here and not sitting in some lab jar as a fetus. I bet she'll take that over the alternative of being an abortion statistic.

For someone who has no say over any of this, since you're a man, you seem heavily invested. Or is it simply more virtue signalling?

(05-15-2019 11:04 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 06:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:48 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 02:30 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I love this.

The left for the past year plus has been whining and wailing about the "poor treatment" of illegal children at the border claiming to care about kids.

Today though (and always if they're blatantly honest), they're all about killing kids.

Such a conundrum they find themselves in.

...popcorn.

It is a twisted position they find themselves in.

I would have made exceptions for rape and incest. I think the vast majority of pro life people would.

So you are cool with murdering people, exceptionally. Got it. The most Christian thing you've ever posted.

Personally I agree with the no exception stance.

But let's say the abortion debate came down to a discussion between you and me.

I would gladly give in on rape/incest/life of mother if it meant those were the only reasons allowed.

Anonymous survey of 1,209 post-abortive women conducted by the Guttmacher Institue regarding the reasons for abortion:

<0.5% - Rape
4% - Physical health problems

Florida records the reason for every abortion. In 2015 there were 71,740 abortions in Florida. The reasons:

0.001% - Incest
0.065% - Life of mother
0.085% - Rape
0.288% - Physical health of mother

We're not even at 1/2 of 1 %.

If we cut the number of abortions by 95%-98% I would be ecstatic.

That would mean in 2017 instead of 879,000 babies being killed, 835,050 babies would still be alive.


Yeah, the left uses the emotional point about rape/incest/life of mother but it means NOTHING.

Statistically, those reasons account for <5% of all abortions combined.

The real reasons for abortion: because I want to.

Tell that to someone who has been raped and is now forced to conceive.

0.085% - Rape

If you can find one you should mention it to them...

(05-16-2019 07:07 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:49 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If a woman gets pregnant after being raped, that stinks. But it happens so rarely that it's not even worth discussing. 99.99% of abortions in America are 100% elective after consensual sex.

But it DOES happen. It's a topic that's absolutely worthy of discussion - we are not discussing something as ridiculous as "what if a woman gets pregnant after being shot full of alien semen from a Martian death ray gun?"

0.001% - Incest
0.065% - Life of mother
0.085% - Rape
All three of these components represent statistical zero you understand, right? 0.151% combined...

Another way to look at it is that you could carve out exceptions for those three and still not significantly impact the outcome in 99.9% of cases.

I'm not sure how I truly feel about this.. I've let this ferment overnight.. And I'm still a little bit torn.

(05-16-2019 06:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Both sides of this debate have gone stark raving nuts. One side is legalizing infanticide and the other is doing this. The crazies have totally taken over.

There's a longer game here. And you know that.

As I've had it explained to me the Alabama legislature moved this forward to force a showdown at the SCOTUS level.

Do you imagine that if the right just rolled over on this like they have done repeatedly in the past that any amount of sanity would be restored to the left? I like that the GOP has finally taken off the gloves.

(05-16-2019 07:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 07:07 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:49 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If a woman gets pregnant after being raped, that stinks. But it happens so rarely that it's not even worth discussing. 99.99% of abortions in America are 100% elective after consensual sex.

But it DOES happen. It's a topic that's absolutely worthy of discussion - we are not discussing something as ridiculous as "what if a woman gets pregnant after being shot full of alien semen from a Martian death ray gun?"

0.001% - Incest
0.065% - Life of mother
0.085% - Rape
All three of these components represent statistical zero you understand, right? 0.151% combined...

Another way to look at it is that you could carve out exceptions for those three and still not significantly impact the outcome in 99.9% of cases.

That's true and I am on record as supporting those exceptions in any bill. I'm simply pointing out the argument being made is for a practically non existent set of circumstances and that statistically you'd have to search to find someone impacted by any of those three factors.

(05-16-2019 07:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:47 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 11:43 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 11:38 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Don't get pregnant in Alabama then. You might have to keep it.

Dont get raped and impregnated by your father in Alabama. You'll now have to keep it.

Pretty sure you can get the next morning pill if the things you say happen. Shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to figure out your uncle joe raped you. Poor argument.

What a disgusting reply. "Hey Little Susie! I know Uncle Joe raped 11 year old you.... and it sucks you just realized you're pregnant (btw, do you even know what that means yet?)... but why didnt you just wobble on down to the local Piggly Woggly and buy that ole Day After pill when ta had the chance ? I guess it's your fault. Sorry... kiddos yours now!"

At least little Susie is here and not sitting in some lab jar as a fetus. I bet she'll take that over the alternative of being an abortion statistic.

For someone who has no say over any of this, since you're a man, you seem heavily invested. Or is it simply more virtue signalling?

Either no male role models or abused growing up, socially rejected through adolescence, strong and overbearing mother who was likely his best friend and gave him nothing but female spin on everything he saw on TV or problem he encountered and came home with... basically only relates to women and men with similar upbringing. Kind of a step above gender dysphoria. I don't know him, just a guess.

(05-16-2019 07:07 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:49 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If a woman gets pregnant after being raped, that stinks. But it happens so rarely that it's not even worth discussing. 99.99% of abortions in America are 100% elective after consensual sex.

But it DOES happen. It's a topic that's absolutely worthy of discussion - we are not discussing something as ridiculous as "what if a woman gets pregnant after being shot full of alien semen from a Martian death ray gun?"

0.001% - Incest
0.065% - Life of mother
0.085% - Rape

All three of these components represent statistical zero you understand, right? 0.151% combined...

0.151% isn't zero. I mean, it's 1 in 662.

But if you want to talk about "statistical zero", we can get a number considerably closer to that.

Statistics tells us that:

(1) if you have 100,000 events and,
(2) each of those 100,000 events has a 0.151% (1 in 662) chance of being X,
(3) then the chances of NONE of those 100,000 events being X is 1 in 10 to the 66th power.

That is a whole lot closer to "statistical zero" than 0.151%.

Pregnancies due to rape do and will happen. That's just what it is. It's a legitimate question as to what we should do in those situations. It's intellectually dubious to argue that those instances will never happen.

This won't end well.

SCOTUS has shown it doesn't like to over turn decided law (Obamacare) so the end result will be this Law getting overturned, Roe v Wade won't be, and the left will be energized come the next election.

THAT is something we don't need. AOC running the house, Upchuck running the Senate, and Bernie in the Oval Office.

Think it's bad now, just wait for that shite show.

(05-16-2019 07:48 AM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 07:07 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:49 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 09:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If a woman gets pregnant after being raped, that stinks. But it happens so rarely that it's not even worth discussing. 99.99% of abortions in America are 100% elective after consensual sex.

But it DOES happen. It's a topic that's absolutely worthy of discussion - we are not discussing something as ridiculous as "what if a woman gets pregnant after being shot full of alien semen from a Martian death ray gun?"

0.001% - Incest
0.065% - Life of mother
0.085% - Rape

All three of these components represent statistical zero you understand, right? 0.151% combined...

0.151% isn't zero. I mean, it's 1 in 662.

But if you want to talk about "statistical zero", we can get a number considerably closer to that.

Statistics tells us that:

(1) if you have 100,000 events and,
(2) each of those 100,000 events has a 0.151% (1 in 662) chance of being X,
(3) then the chances of NONE of those 100,000 events being X is 1 in 10 to the 66th power.

That is a whole lot closer to "statistical zero" than 0.151%.

Pregnancies due to rape do and will happen. That's just what it is. It's a legitimate question as to what we should do in those situations. It's intellectually dubious to argue that those instances will never happen.

Ok, a little hyperbole but we all understand that statistical zero isn't absolute zero. Perhaps "statistically insignificant' suits you better? Either way you phrase it the dynamic remains unchanged.

And again, FTR, I favor those exceptions because giving them consideration doesn't cost anyone anything and protects those who are impacted, as rare as they may be.

Looks like Mizzou is telling Bama to hold their beer on this.

(05-16-2019 08:09 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Looks like Mizzou is telling Bama to hold their beer on this.

yep... it's through the Missouri Senate, _no_ abortions after 8 weeks, other than in the case of the danger to the life of the mother.

Although I'm told it's going to have a harder time getting through the House, as most reps aren't thrilled with the rape/incest portions not in there, but it MIGHT get enough votes to go through, as many in the Missouri state govt have wanted to do this to challenge RvW for a while (kinda like TigerBlue said he'd heard about the 'bama bill)

(05-16-2019 08:09 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Looks like Mizzou is telling Bama to hold their beer on this.

Good. I take no issue with either of them. If you don't like it, move to another state.

States' rights.

(05-15-2019 08:46 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 07:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 07:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 06:42 PM)shere khan Wrote:  https://yellowhammernews.com/state-rep-j...the-press/

Rep. John Rogers (D-Birmingham) admitted that he believes abortion is murder and suggested it is better to “kill” these babies now instead of later after growing up in poverty and turning to crime.

He said, according to Alabama Political Reporter, “Some children are just unwanted. You either kill them now or you kill them later in the electric chair.”

He followed that up by saying, “I may bring a bill to force all men to have vasectomies. That would end this whole debate.”
________

You are missing out on nailing the less than 1 term jackazz that was the beneficiary of the last minute sexual accusation (which proved false) against Roy Moore, that was part of the dirty Dem PAC money in action in the last Alabama election. Lying Doug Jones is another that needs to be replaced for some of the same reasons.

many cultures throughout history have practiced infanticide. I doubt anty have tried to justify it with pride as the democrats do in our culture. it is what it is. no one wants to call it what it is. astonishing really.

I'm not saying I agree with the law or that all abortion should be illegal, that's for our culture to decide.

but trying to call it anything other than what it is is more bullshite semantics.

democrats favor infanticide, they need to just say it and be honest.

Then if you want to skip the 'bullshite semantics':

republicans hate to have women have control over their own bodies. they need to just say it and be be honest. its amazing that no one wants to to call it what it is.

That is the exact corollary of your argument.

ok

republicans are against infanticide. democrats are for a woman being able to commit infanticide because it's her body.

we agree.

(05-16-2019 07:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 07:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:47 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 11:43 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Dont get raped and impregnated by your father in Alabama. You'll now have to keep it.

Pretty sure you can get the next morning pill if the things you say happen. Shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to figure out your uncle joe raped you. Poor argument.

What a disgusting reply. "Hey Little Susie! I know Uncle Joe raped 11 year old you.... and it sucks you just realized you're pregnant (btw, do you even know what that means yet?)... but why didnt you just wobble on down to the local Piggly Woggly and buy that ole Day After pill when ta had the chance ? I guess it's your fault. Sorry... kiddos yours now!"

At least little Susie is here and not sitting in some lab jar as a fetus. I bet she'll take that over the alternative of being an abortion statistic.

For someone who has no say over any of this, since you're a man, you seem heavily invested. Or is it simply more virtue signalling?

Either no male role models or abused growing up, socially rejected through adolescence, strong and overbearing mother who was likely his best friend and gave him nothing but female spin on everything he saw on TV or problem he encountered and came home with... basically only relates to women and men with similar upbringing. Kind of a step above gender dysphoria. I don't know him, just a guess.

Hah! Could not be further from the truth. Moderate to conservative Idaho upbringing by a southern mom and northwestern dad who builds guns and woodworks. Methodists. Latchkey kid with plenty of friends and normal upbringing of sports and AP classes.

The idea that me being pro choice and anti legislation geared towards women who have been raped being forced into mother hood equals me being abused or having gender dysphoria? Laughable. And pathetic on your part.

(05-15-2019 04:51 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 03:36 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 02:37 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 02:27 PM)king king Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 02:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So are idle hands.

So is looking at your neighbor's wife with lust.

All should be crimes in Alabama. GOP getting back to its roots!

If by roots you mean basic morality; well, yeah.

The party of morals

Nothing more ironic than a liberal citing morals while trying to defend ending a life. Raise all kinds of hell about separating children from their parents as they come across the border illegally and then try to justify leaving a baby to die after it is born all in the name of choice. Nobody who supports late term abortion should ever speak about anyone else's morals.

(05-16-2019 08:40 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 07:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 07:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:47 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Pretty sure you can get the next morning pill if the things you say happen. Shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to figure out your uncle joe raped you. Poor argument.

What a disgusting reply. "Hey Little Susie! I know Uncle Joe raped 11 year old you.... and it sucks you just realized you're pregnant (btw, do you even know what that means yet?)... but why didnt you just wobble on down to the local Piggly Woggly and buy that ole Day After pill when ta had the chance ? I guess it's your fault. Sorry... kiddos yours now!"

At least little Susie is here and not sitting in some lab jar as a fetus. I bet she'll take that over the alternative of being an abortion statistic.

For someone who has no say over any of this, since you're a man, you seem heavily invested. Or is it simply more virtue signalling?

Either no male role models or abused growing up, socially rejected through adolescence, strong and overbearing mother who was likely his best friend and gave him nothing but female spin on everything he saw on TV or problem he encountered and came home with... basically only relates to women and men with similar upbringing. Kind of a step above gender dysphoria. I don't know him, just a guess.

Hah! Could not be further from the truth. Moderate to conservative Idaho upbringing by a southern mom and northwestern dad who builds guns and woodworks. Methodists. Latchkey kid with plenty of friends and normal upbringing of sports and AP classes.

The idea that me being pro choice and anti legislation geared towards women who have been raped being forced into mother hood equals me being abused or having gender dysphoria? Laughable. And pathetic on your part.

You calling anyone pathetic...

(05-16-2019 08:40 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 07:35 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(05-16-2019 07:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:47 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  

(05-15-2019 10:40 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Pretty sure you can get the next morning pill if the things you say happen. Shouldnt take more than 6 weeks to figure out your uncle joe raped you. Poor argument.

What a disgusting reply. "Hey Little Susie! I know Uncle Joe raped 11 year old you.... and it sucks you just realized you're pregnant (btw, do you even know what that means yet?)... but why didnt you just wobble on down to the local Piggly Woggly and buy that ole Day After pill when ta had the chance ? I guess it's your fault. Sorry... kiddos yours now!"

At least little Susie is here and not sitting in some lab jar as a fetus. I bet she'll take that over the alternative of being an abortion statistic.

For someone who has no say over any of this, since you're a man, you seem heavily invested. Or is it simply more virtue signalling?

Either no male role models or abused growing up, socially rejected through adolescence, strong and overbearing mother who was likely his best friend and gave him nothing but female spin on everything he saw on TV or problem he encountered and came home with... basically only relates to women and men with similar upbringing. Kind of a step above gender dysphoria. I don't know him, just a guess.

Hah! Could not be further from the truth. Moderate to conservative Idaho upbringing by a southern mom and northwestern dad who builds guns and woodworks. Methodists. Latchkey kid with plenty of friends and normal upbringing of sports and AP classes.

The idea that me being pro choice and anti legislation geared towards women who have been raped being forced into mother hood equals me being abused or having gender dysphoria? Laughable. And pathetic on your part.

What part of your upbringing or taking AP classes taught you to welch on bets? I'm guessing the same one that has you supporting infanticide.