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I've been preaching patience but it would be helpful to hear some news/progress.
 
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(05-02-2019 06:42 PM)jarr Wrote:  My guess is, based on his history (this is the 3rd time he has decommited from a school), he will not last 4 years at whatever school he chooses and transfers at least once. Just seems like that is his future.

My thoughts exactly. Reminds me of Gunner. Wish him well though, hopefully he learns that jumping from "commitment" to "commitment" is not the way to go through life.
 
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(05-02-2019 06:57 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  No worries everyone. Brannen is recruiting his replacement as we speak.

A shooter from Wisconsin who has us in his final 5 along with NKU, Southern Illinois, Wright State and Loyola.

And if that sounds like a joke, it absolutely isn't. We are now competing against Southern Iliinois for recruits.

So by your standard, Mick shouldn't have signed Logan Johnson who was being recruited by the likes of Cal-Poly, Santa Clara, Cal-Santa Barbara and Fresno, per the link below?

Logan is a terrific athlete and we're proud he's a Bearcat. Brannen has to put a patch on the tire this season and do what he deems necessary to compete in year one. Maybe a shooter from Wisconsin fills that need.

As the newly hired coach, he gets a pass on any player that high majors might not be chasing. The class of 2020, and beyond, will be evaluated by a completely different standard.

https://247sports.com/Player/Logan-Johns...ol-182133/
 
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(05-03-2019 08:05 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 06:42 PM)jarr Wrote:  My guess is, based on his history (this is the 3rd time he has decommited from a school), he will not last 4 years at whatever school he chooses and transfers at least once. Just seems like that is his future.

My thoughts exactly. Reminds me of Gunner. Wish him well though, hopefully he learns that jumping from "commitment" to "commitment" is not the way to go through life.

Dudes he committed to two schools...where months after his commitment the head coach left.

Yes your commitment is to the "school" but that coach means more than the school does for the guys on the team and in the gym every day.

To me he looks like a less dynamic Jacob Evans. Nothing to lose sleep over. And for gods sake stop bad mouthing the kid cause he doesn't love UC as much as you do.
 
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(05-03-2019 08:27 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(05-03-2019 08:05 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 06:42 PM)jarr Wrote:  My guess is, based on his history (this is the 3rd time he has decommited from a school), he will not last 4 years at whatever school he chooses and transfers at least once. Just seems like that is his future.

My thoughts exactly. Reminds me of Gunner. Wish him well though, hopefully he learns that jumping from "commitment" to "commitment" is not the way to go through life.

Dudes he committed to two schools...where months after his commitment the head coach left.

Yes your commitment is to the "school" but that coach means more than the school does for the guys on the team and in the gym every day.

To me he looks like a less dynamic Jacob Evans. Nothing to lose sleep over. And for gods sake stop bad mouthing the kid cause he doesn't love UC as much as you do.

Exactly...why are others not beholden to their own commitments, yet these guys are?
 
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(05-03-2019 07:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 09:59 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  Curtis was not going to get many minutes next year period. And he can’t shoot from outside which is what this team needs right now, so whatever. Next man in. Good luck, Samari. Enjoy watching us in the ncaa tourney on tv with your VA Tech buds.

Agree on this.

Not mad at him at all. I understand. This is what a coaching change looks like.

From what I read he was also entertaining schools like Wright State and Southern Illinois. This is Mick recruiting - projects.

As long as Brannen is good, we will be better long term that Curtis goes elsewhere. Right now warm body's might look good, but long term we are better off.

Kid was Mr. Ohio in hoops, Mick's 'big haul' and when the cards went on the table he was looking at Wright St, Southern Illinois and finally decided on Va Tech. Vat Tech is P5, but they are a perennial NIT program and middling type team most years. Not even close to UC's levels historically nor do they have the arena or fan support.

Not a huge loss and that isn't sour grapes. This next year will be interesting. Wondering if it looks a bit like AK's year here: short handed and scrapping for everything.



EDIT: I may have mis-spoken about Curtis looking at Wright State and Southern Illinois. That may have been another player we were looking at when Mick was still here. I don't want to put out mis-information and I'm too lazy to do the research.

So then I guess you take back what you've said about Wichita State and Houston having good recruiting classes coming in next year. After all, of their 8 combined recruits only one is barely higher rated (136) than Curtis (150).
 
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(05-03-2019 08:49 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(05-03-2019 07:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 09:59 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  Curtis was not going to get many minutes next year period. And he can’t shoot from outside which is what this team needs right now, so whatever. Next man in. Good luck, Samari. Enjoy watching us in the ncaa tourney on tv with your VA Tech buds.

Agree on this.

Not mad at him at all. I understand. This is what a coaching change looks like.

From what I read he was also entertaining schools like Wright State and Southern Illinois. This is Mick recruiting - projects.

As long as Brannen is good, we will be better long term that Curtis goes elsewhere. Right now warm body's might look good, but long term we are better off.

Kid was Mr. Ohio in hoops, Mick's 'big haul' and when the cards went on the table he was looking at Wright St, Southern Illinois and finally decided on Va Tech. Vat Tech is P5, but they are a perennial NIT program and middling type team most years. Not even close to UC's levels historically nor do they have the arena or fan support.

Not a huge loss and that isn't sour grapes. This next year will be interesting. Wondering if it looks a bit like AK's year here: short handed and scrapping for everything.



EDIT: I may have mis-spoken about Curtis looking at Wright State and Southern Illinois. That may have been another player we were looking at when Mick was still here. I don't want to put out mis-information and I'm too lazy to do the research.

So then I guess you take back what you've said about Wichita State and Houston having good recruiting classes coming in next year. After all, of their 8 combined recruits only one is barely higher rated (136) than Curtis (150).

Hey Hepper, go west to LALA land with your Mickster
 
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He was a default pickup for UC in the first place after another coaching change. I'd say chances are good he'll bounce around another time or two. I just don't get the panic from some of you. The guy was barely in the National Top 150.
 
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(05-03-2019 09:12 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a default pickup for UC in the first place after another coaching change. I'd say chances are good he'll bounce around another time or two. I just don't get the panic from some of you. The guy was barely in the National Top 150.

Yep, just comes off someone who's always going to have his foot out the door looking for a different landing spot. Will probably end up at 2 or 3 different schools before its all said and done.
 
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I know some faculty at XHS. According to them; Curtis has an "Attitude" problem.
 
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(05-03-2019 09:12 AM)Marcus Wrote:  He was a default pickup for UC in the first place after another coaching change. I'd say chances are good he'll bounce around another time or two. I just don't get the panic from some of you. The guy was barely in the National Top 150.

Agree. The single biggest factor for Uc next year is Cumberland's status which Brannen or any current or future asst. coach has no bearing on. Folks want some news of adding someone or something just like a security blanket, and my guess is he probably adds a grad transfer, maybe a regular transfer and possibly a late hschool kid who likely won't be a factor next year. Brannen's very familiar with all the talent around here, and honestly the bottom line for most of these guys is playing time. These coaching changes bring on the worst of outside influences in many ways, and it's just something you have to work through patiently. I'd highly doubt his final assistant is any big recruiting machine, so it's on him(Brannen) to secure his 2020 guys over the summer and into the fall. He's not a new coach, and he knows what he needs to do. The guys that we have now i believe understand there's opportunity to step up, and if playing in Brannen's offensive scheme is not more beneficial to them i'd be shocked. I'll say it again, if Curtis ends up at Va Tech. next year, he's going to be thrown into the fire. You'll get a real good feel for what he has right away.

If it's any comfort, for those who do not follow the recruiting services, Uc is being mentioned on a lot of guys right now. He's clearly visible right now, and one benefit of Cronin taking a higher profile job at Ucla is recruits are probably more aware of the situation than if he'd gone somewhere with less press. We're in a better spot to recruit facilities and record wise right now than i can ever recall. I guess folks can fret about the conference situation, but honestly the AAC has improved, and it's situated as i see it ahead of the P10 and even with the Catholic league at this point now that Nova has come back to earth. If we were working with the old Shoe, and coming off of a long run of non Ncaa years, then i'd be concerned.
 
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(05-02-2019 07:19 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 06:47 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 06:42 PM)crex043 Wrote:  Let's not get cocky, everyone. This leaves our 2019 class at 0 commits currently.

I would not say Im cocky, honestly starting to get borderline concerned with the lack of any good news. It is currently May 02, and we still have 2 assistant spots to fill and now 4 open scholarships, potentially 5 or 6. Next year is starting to look like a wash.

I get what you're saying, but will next year really be that much different than what we were expecting 1 month ago? Jarron is probably coming back since he didn't get a combine invite. Samari would have been too inexperienced to contribute much as a freshman. Fredericks was not going to contribute much. Brooks is the only contributor that looks like he is actually going to leave the team, and even he may come back.

Samari definitely will not be a contributor next year. Be it at VTech, or if he woulda landed here.

Sorry to see him go, but it's fine.



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i guess i'm in the minority here. i'm disappointed that an Ohio Mr. Basketball is no longer going to be joining us. While i can certainly understand that he wasn't going to be a Day 1 starter despite our lack of depth, it appears he can put the ball in the basket and if there's something Jarron could have used, it's having a secondary scorer. With Mick gone, he might have actually logged some decent minutes since he may not have had to exceed some defensive benchmark to see the floor.
 
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(05-03-2019 08:49 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(05-03-2019 07:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 09:59 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  Curtis was not going to get many minutes next year period. And he can’t shoot from outside which is what this team needs right now, so whatever. Next man in. Good luck, Samari. Enjoy watching us in the ncaa tourney on tv with your VA Tech buds.

Agree on this.

Not mad at him at all. I understand. This is what a coaching change looks like.

From what I read he was also entertaining schools like Wright State and Southern Illinois. This is Mick recruiting - projects.

As long as Brannen is good, we will be better long term that Curtis goes elsewhere. Right now warm body's might look good, but long term we are better off.

Kid was Mr. Ohio in hoops, Mick's 'big haul' and when the cards went on the table he was looking at Wright St, Southern Illinois and finally decided on Va Tech. Vat Tech is P5, but they are a perennial NIT program and middling type team most years. Not even close to UC's levels historically nor do they have the arena or fan support.

Not a huge loss and that isn't sour grapes. This next year will be interesting. Wondering if it looks a bit like AK's year here: short handed and scrapping for everything.



EDIT: I may have mis-spoken about Curtis looking at Wright State and Southern Illinois. That may have been another player we were looking at when Mick was still here. I don't want to put out mis-information and I'm too lazy to do the research.

So then I guess you take back what you've said about Wichita State and Houston having good recruiting classes coming in next year. After all, of their 8 combined recruits only one is barely higher rated (136) than Curtis (150).

I said WSU, UH, and Tulsa all had at least one 4* kid coming in. I got that information from the main AAC board. I could have read it wrong.You are welcome to go to the AAC main board and scroll through the data. There are guys there that tract/list recruits by school. I thought I saw that Tulsa, UH, and WSU (along with Memphis and UCONN) all had at lest 1 4* player (UCONN/Memphis has multiple and in Memphis' case, 5*). I'm not going to go try and find it. You are welcome to. Clearly only UCONN and Memphis have 'good' classes coming in, both being in the Top 20 (Memphis may end up #1).

And even if I didn't see that correctly, the fact that UH, WSU, and Tulsa DON'T have any 4* recruits doesn't in any way, shape or form mean UC shouldn't. If Memphis and UCONN are bringing in 4 and 5 star kids, UC should too. We are one of the big names in this conference.

The fact is, and the heart of this thing is, Mick was a crappy recruiter and you making excuses for him that the AAC was to blame is false as it hasn't seem to bother UCONN or Memphis.
 
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(05-03-2019 10:11 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-03-2019 08:49 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(05-03-2019 07:48 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(05-02-2019 09:59 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  Curtis was not going to get many minutes next year period. And he can’t shoot from outside which is what this team needs right now, so whatever. Next man in. Good luck, Samari. Enjoy watching us in the ncaa tourney on tv with your VA Tech buds.

Agree on this.

Not mad at him at all. I understand. This is what a coaching change looks like.

From what I read he was also entertaining schools like Wright State and Southern Illinois. This is Mick recruiting - projects.

As long as Brannen is good, we will be better long term that Curtis goes elsewhere. Right now warm body's might look good, but long term we are better off.

Kid was Mr. Ohio in hoops, Mick's 'big haul' and when the cards went on the table he was looking at Wright St, Southern Illinois and finally decided on Va Tech. Vat Tech is P5, but they are a perennial NIT program and middling type team most years. Not even close to UC's levels historically nor do they have the arena or fan support.

Not a huge loss and that isn't sour grapes. This next year will be interesting. Wondering if it looks a bit like AK's year here: short handed and scrapping for everything.



EDIT: I may have mis-spoken about Curtis looking at Wright State and Southern Illinois. That may have been another player we were looking at when Mick was still here. I don't want to put out mis-information and I'm too lazy to do the research.

So then I guess you take back what you've said about Wichita State and Houston having good recruiting classes coming in next year. After all, of their 8 combined recruits only one is barely higher rated (136) than Curtis (150).

I said WSU, UH, and Tulsa all had at least one 4* kid coming in. I got that information from the main AAC board. I could have read it wrong.You are welcome to go to the AAC main board and scroll through the data. There are guys there that tract/list recruits by school. I thought I saw that Tulsa, UH, and WSU (along with Memphis and UCONN) all had at lest 1 4* player (UCONN/Memphis has multiple and in Memphis' case, 5*). I'm not going to go try and find it. You are welcome to. Clearly only UCONN and Memphis have 'good' classes coming in, both being in the Top 20 (Memphis may end up #1).

And even if I didn't see that correctly, the fact that UH, WSU, and Tulsa DON'T have any 4* recruits doesn't in any way, shape or form mean UC shouldn't. If Memphis and UCONN are bringing in 4 and 5 star kids, UC should too. We are one of the big names in this conference.

The fact is, and the heart of this thing is, Mick was a crappy recruiter and you making excuses for him that the AAC was to blame is false as it hasn't seem to bother UCONN or Memphis.

So basically you don't really follow recruiting, but like to hate on Mick. From 247 Tulsa's highest rated 2019 recruit is 0.88, which is what LaQuill Hardnett was. Houston's highest rated is a 0.89 3 star, Rashawn Frederick's was 0.89. Wichita States highest rated is 0.93 (who they probably got because he is from Wichita), Samari is 0.925.

The two best coaches in our conference aren't consistently bringing in 4-stars. For our conference Samari was an excellent recruit. UConn (multiple recent NCAA titles) and Memphis (Penny) are currently the top of the conference in recruiting, but they are also recruiting on hopes and dreams as their coaches haven't proven anything yet.
 
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I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.
 
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(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.
 
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I told a lot of my bearcat friends that losing Coach Cronin could have some major effects on our roster. Well, this is one of them. It's tough to find a freshman guard with Samari's CREDENTIALS. Losing both Curtis and Brooks to possibly the same team won't be good for next year's team. Hopefully they'll look at the situation and change their minds. I am hoping that Coach Brannen has possible replacements. We need at least 2 good guards now and 1 big man. Please coach Brannen , find us some good ones with basketball skills.
 
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(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.
Correct and we also had another freshman Deandre Coleman who transferred. Coleman and Tilford both went to South Alabama and had decent careers at that level of play in the Sun Belt. If Kennedy had stayed we probably would have had a larger roster of players who returned the following year. But White and Muhammad being declared ineligible in the NIT was the kiss of death for Kennedy.
 
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(05-03-2019 10:46 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(05-03-2019 10:33 AM)Topcat Wrote:  I remember when Devon Downey bolted and got everyone in a tizzy, everyone then breathed a sigh of relief when we landed the KY Mr Basketball Dominic Tilford to "replace" him. For those who do not remember this, there's a reason for it. He sucked.

Point is, HS success doesn't always translate into college success. I hadn't heard too much about how good this guys was. So unless he was a real sleeper, we probably wont miss him too much. We'll see.

Having said that, we DO need to get some guys in the door here.

... And it would also be great if they are really good players, too.

Tilford and Downey were both in the same class and both left UC after their freshmen years.

Well ok. I knew they were close. We got Downey's commitment first, then. I know that for a fact.

All I know I remember is hearing some recruiting guru on the radio telling the radio host that was all excited about Tilford that he was "no Devon Downey".

My ultimate point in comparing this to Curtis is that you would think the Mr. Basketball in KY would be pretty good, but he was a huge disappointment.

So,

We shouldn't bemoan Curtis not coming here. We need Brannen out there getting some other... good... guys. Not another Tilford.
 
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