tanqtonic
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RE: Brexit Vote
(03-14-2019 12:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (03-14-2019 12:30 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (03-14-2019 11:31 AM)OldOwlNewHeel2 Wrote: (03-13-2019 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (03-13-2019 10:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: Shortest answer: I agree with more of their policies than with those of the Republican party and think that government isn't the problem, and can actually be the solution in many situations.
Short, but longer answer: The republican party has become too anti-government for my taste at all levels (federal and state). I believe that a well-funded government can provide significant benefit to its populace beyond providing for the common defense, by correcting a lot of things that our free market economy won't naturally correct and acting as a bit of a watchdog. I think our government should be considering environmental concerns and worker protections, developing a better social safety net, providing and restoring world-class infrastructure to support our economy, and on and on. I find that the current state of the Republican party is one that only cares about cutting taxes, reducing regulations (regardless of their benefit), and catering to business interests to the exclusion of other interests. The best society, IMO, is neither one that is completely controlled by government or completely free of it. And I do not think the current iteration of the democratic party goes too far left in terms of government control, but I do think the current iteration of the republican party has gone too far right. I think Dems are more likely to create a government that supports the country's economy, whereas Reps are more likely to create a government that is laissez faire towards it.
I can't answer the question why am I a republican, because I'm not. I don't agree with enough of either party's policies and issue positions to be a member. Republicans are too far right on social issues (drugs, abortion, LGBT rights) and not far enough right on fiscal issues. Democrats are now too far left on social issues and not even on the same planet on fiscal issues. I don't like republicans, but I think of them more as incompetent than as the enemy. I do think of the Bernie/AOC/Warren wing of the democrats as my enemy, and I see that wing as being ascendant in that party. To me republicans are the stupid party and democrats are the evil party. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I just wish my enemies had more competent enemies.
I favor a balanced budget; universal health care based on the Bismarck universal private insurance/care approach; a guaranteed basic income, based on Milton Friedman's negative income tax or the Boortz-Linder prebate/prefund (basically NIT in a consumption tax environment); lower, flatter, and broader (fewer exclusions and deductions) income taxes; a consumption tax; making social security sound by eliminating the wage cap, pushing the full payment age back slowly, and adding a privatized component; having the strongest military in the world by leaps and bounds, but never having to use it because nobody dares pick on us and our non-interventionist (like Switzerland, not isolationist like North Korea) foreign policy means we don't go picking on them; elimination of ineffective and counter-productive regulations; a streamlined regulatory process with real rights for citizens subject to regulation; legalization of marijuana and decriminalization of other drugs, at least simple possession; and strong support for the 2nd and 4th Amendments (without them, all the rest are worthless), among other positions. Name me a party that is is generally in agreement on all or most of those, and I will support them. Hell, name me a party that even agrees on some of them.
I strongly oppose massive income and wealth redistribution because I know of no nation or state that has implemented it without either abandoning it or failing. As to the question of too big or too small, I think government is too big in the US today. In particular, I think the federal government is too big and intrusive, that within the federal government too much power has gone from the legislative branch to the executive and judicial branches, and within the executive branch way, way too much power as gone to the unelected and unaccountable alphabet soup of bureaucratic agencies.
I think the current democrats, or at least the ascendant Bernie/AOC/Warren wing, are well to the left of the so-called European "socialist democracies," where left is defined as socialism, communism, or fascism (which are three peas in the same pod, at least economically). I favor capitalism with a safety net, which is how I would describe "socialist" Europe.
I'll give it a shot:
Balanced budget: Neither party at the moment, so you could go back to the last president to achieve one --> Democrat.
perhaps go back to the last makeup of the legislature that achieved one ---> Republican
then ask yourself which branch has the 'power of the purse'. It is not the Executive, mind you.
Quote:Health Care: You want "something" as opposed to "nothing" --> Democrat
Health Care: You want everything "something" as opposed to for "nothing" ----> Democrat
FIFY
Quote:Lower, Flatter, Broader Income Taxes: Republican, unless you also include corporations in the "broader" category, then Democrat.
Actually to go 'Democrat' you would need to stand for more corporate taxes on top of the already highest corporate tax in the developed world.
Quote:Not using the military --> Democrat
Tell that to Muammar Kaddafi the next you see him.
Or the next Kosovarian you encounter.
Quote:Elimination of "ineffective and counter-productive regulations" --> That's a platitute both parties can get behind.
Please do state *any* regulation that Democrats would like to minimize.
Quote:4th Amendment: Democrat
Please state any 4th Amendment provision that Republican's do not back?
If you want to make an issue of 4th Amendment in the context of NSA and ****, well, hate to break it to you buddy but the Obama-dudes were just as bad as those evil nasty Republicans. Just ask the message sifters who haunted the FISA court in late 2015 - early 2016 for that one....
When it comes to the 4th Amendment as applied to the press, the Obama administration skunks the fk out of what any Republican administration (aside from Nixon) has done in the last half-century.
Here's one that should be added:
Quote:Pro 1st Amendment -- Republican
Quote:But in all seriousness, it seems to me that you favor a lot of what I might call broad Democratic policy goals, but you prefer conservative/market-based approaches to achieving those goals.
No offense but many of what you term 'broad based policy goals' of the Democratic Party really dont seem to be so in practice.
Quote:So you might be a conservative in some sort of abstract philosophical sense, but in terms of the practical political fights we're actually having, you sure look like a Democrat to me.
The fact that the major point of progressivism is the promotion of vast and 'liberal' use of government power and regulation to achieve their ends cuts drastically away from your thesis here.
Progressivism is not the promotion of individual liberties and choice. In the slightest. You tend to forget that the path to at least the shared in common goals is drastically different -- and that the path is horribly important to the crux of libertarianism.
Tanq, I actually laughed at the bolded section.
The response that was immediately below that was a regulation that Democrats want to minimize.
Fair enough.
Perhaps we should balance the 'legalize pot' against the ream-tons of other regulation and bureaucracy that the Democrats (progressives) seem to get a hard on for. Does that sound about right?
I mean Obamacare by itself is responsible for on the order of 300 volumes of regulation at this point, but 'legalize pot' more than makes up for that crap ton of regulatory effort. Sounds like a fair trade to me...
To have someone say that they are for 'less regulation' with that sort of track record is in itself pretty fking laughable in my book....
(This post was last modified: 03-14-2019 01:02 PM by tanqtonic.)
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