(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 10:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 05:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think I pretty clearly stated that I'd prefer the decision be made within 20 weeks, but that should be decided by each state. My preference in that case would be for the baby to be born and given up for adoption.

And to be clear, I never intimated that rape and incest were any huge percentage of abortion cases, but it is an area where I am fine with exceptions. Women who suffered this trauma get some leeway to figure things out as far as I'm concerned.

Your preference...so you would not oppose a 9th month abortion of a viable baby due to circumstances

Of course I would oppose it if there's nothing wrong with the baby and the health of the mother is not in danger, but it's not my decision to make.

Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

So I could pass med school just set up an abortion shop in Detroit and offer an abortion to anyone that walks in the door at any time as long as I "make that call"?

(02-01-2019 10:44 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This pretty much nails it.

Quote:Yesterday morning, Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia went on a radio show and announced his unequivocal support for a bill that would allow doctors to just straight up murder the perfectly healthy babies of selfish, uncaring, slutty women right after those babies are born. Or, at least, that is what the stupidest people on the entire planet are accusing him of doing.

Will Someone Please Explain To Anti-Choice Idiots That Nobody's Killing Born Babies?

This shows just what liars and scumbags people are today.

He absolutely advocated the position of possibly killing a baby AFTER its been born if it has heath issues or complications.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is an obvious liar.

Of course...non viable health issues. That means the baby is going to die no matter what...and these decisions are made every day now by doctors and medical professionals. This will change next to nothing on babies already born who have no chance at survival. All the VA bill will do is make the process easier for these families dealing with this devastation...but I suppose you think the Christian thing to do is to prolong their suffering apparently. Sad.

(02-01-2019 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course I would oppose it if there's nothing wrong with the baby and the health of the mother is not in danger, but it's not my decision to make.

Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

Its illegal you moron, that's why it hardly ever happens.

And you are darned right we are worked up about keeping it that way. There are hard core pro abortionists that absolutely believe that should be allowed.

Spare me your hyperbole. There's no such thing as a pro abortionist.

These laws do not and will not lead to women carrying babies for 8+ months and then ending the pregnancies for no reason other than they don't want the baby.

It's nothing more than the typical right-wing nonsense to assure GOP votes. The abortion issue always has been. The sad part is that you don't even know you're being used.

There are people whose careers are performing abortions for money. Would you call them pro abortionist?

(02-01-2019 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 10:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Your preference...so you would not oppose a 9th month abortion of a viable baby due to circumstances

Of course I would oppose it if there's nothing wrong with the baby and the health of the mother is not in danger, but it's not my decision to make.

Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

So I could pass med school just set up an abortion shop in Detroit and offer an abortion to anyone that walks in the door at any time as long as I "make that call"?

This hardly even justifies a response.

Ridiculous.

(02-01-2019 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course I would oppose it if there's nothing wrong with the baby and the health of the mother is not in danger, but it's not my decision to make.

Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

Its illegal you moron, that's why it hardly ever happens.

And you are darned right we are worked up about keeping it that way. There are hard core pro abortionists that absolutely believe that should be allowed.

Spare me your hyperbole. There's no such thing as a pro abortionist.

These laws do not and will not lead to women carrying babies for 8+ months and then ending the pregnancies for no reason other than they don't want the baby.

It's nothing more than the typical right-wing nonsense to assure GOP votes. The abortion issue always has been. The sad part is that you don't even know you're being used.

Spare me your dishonest left wing garbage. No one is buying it.

There absolutely are feminists out there that want ZERO limits on abortion, including 3rd trimester and partial birth abortion. They have happened in the past and they will happen again if we don't insure it stays illegal.

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Of course I would oppose it if there's nothing wrong with the baby and the health of the mother is not in danger, but it's not my decision to make.

Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

So I could pass med school just set up an abortion shop in Detroit and offer an abortion to anyone that walks in the door at any time as long as I "make that call"?

This hardly even justifies a response.

Ridiculous.

What's ridiculous? It is a question. If Redwingtom was emperor, would that be legal?

(02-01-2019 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:44 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This pretty much nails it.

Quote:Yesterday morning, Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia went on a radio show and announced his unequivocal support for a bill that would allow doctors to just straight up murder the perfectly healthy babies of selfish, uncaring, slutty women right after those babies are born. Or, at least, that is what the stupidest people on the entire planet are accusing him of doing.

Will Someone Please Explain To Anti-Choice Idiots That Nobody's Killing Born Babies?

This shows just what liars and scumbags people are today.

He absolutely advocated the position of possibly killing a baby AFTER its been born if it has heath issues or complications.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is an obvious liar.

Of course...non viable health issues. That means the baby is going to die no matter what...and these decisions are made every day now by doctors and medical professionals. This will change next to nothing on babies already born who have no chance at survival. All the VA bill will do is make the process easier for these families dealing with this devastation...but I suppose you think the Christian thing to do is to prolong their suffering apparently. Sad.

Your darned right the christian thing to do is not MURDER a baby because it has possible complications. UNBELIEVABLE that that has to be pointed out. What is this now? Nazi Germany or the Klingon Empire? Death to all babies born with complications? Sometimes they live and even recover.

And NO, the issue was not ONLY about a baby that was sure to die. That is a lie. Sometimes babies that are expected to die actually LIVE.

(02-01-2019 10:53 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:41 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

Its illegal you moron, that's why it hardly ever happens.

And you are darned right we are worked up about keeping it that way. There are hard core pro abortionists that absolutely believe that should be allowed.

Spare me your hyperbole. There's no such thing as a pro abortionist.

These laws do not and will not lead to women carrying babies for 8+ months and then ending the pregnancies for no reason other than they don't want the baby.

It's nothing more than the typical right-wing nonsense to assure GOP votes. The abortion issue always has been. The sad part is that you don't even know you're being used.

Spare me your dishonest left wing garbage. No one is buying it.

There absolutely are feminists out there that want ZERO limits on abortion, including 3rd trimester and partial birth abortion. They have happened in the past and they will happen again if we don't insure it stays illegal.

I had a womens rights marching acquaintance on social media the other day LAUGHING at some posts on facebook that infants don't get a voice because what would they say "goo goo gah gah dont kill me"? There are absolutely pro abortion people out there that are totally pushing the infanticide movement and are cold and callous enough that they don't care that the living child just born is a US citizen with a right not to be murdered.

You can asked and find doctors willing to give you drugs, a handicap plate or a determination that you are in danger if you so desire. The world is full of Gosnell's. Someone will do any abortion if laws are in place excusing them. Jezz, you can find enough willing to break the laws as is. Health of the mother can be used in ANY pregnancy. They are carrying a baby. They are all at risk.

"Health of the mother" is maybe the most insidious win for the abortion lobby. Few are against true heath of the woman exceptions. Just as they argue late term abortion account for a very small number of abortions, real health of mom cases are the minority. Vast majority of abortions are performed because a woman doesn't want a baby.

These laws aren't written to protect abortions in non viable cases or rape or heath of the mother. They are protecting those involved in any and ALL abortions. All these arguments about all the other nonsense are just distractions designed to deflect from that fact.

(02-01-2019 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

So I could pass med school just set up an abortion shop in Detroit and offer an abortion to anyone that walks in the door at any time as long as I "make that call"?

This hardly even justifies a response.

Ridiculous.

What's ridiculous? It is a question. If Redwingtom was emperor, would that be legal?

The premise. You'd go to medical school for years, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs, to open a clinic and violate all the ethics you swore to uphold and would provide a service with an extremely limited client base. Good plan!

Bottom line, no, it would not be legal, just as it isn't now, for doctors to lie about the health of the baby or mother just to provide an abortion.

(02-01-2019 11:00 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:44 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This pretty much nails it.

Quote:Yesterday morning, Governor Ralph Northam of Virginia went on a radio show and announced his unequivocal support for a bill that would allow doctors to just straight up murder the perfectly healthy babies of selfish, uncaring, slutty women right after those babies are born. Or, at least, that is what the stupidest people on the entire planet are accusing him of doing.

Will Someone Please Explain To Anti-Choice Idiots That Nobody's Killing Born Babies?

This shows just what liars and scumbags people are today.

He absolutely advocated the position of possibly killing a baby AFTER its been born if it has heath issues or complications.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is an obvious liar.

Of course...non viable health issues. That means the baby is going to die no matter what...and these decisions are made every day now by doctors and medical professionals. This will change next to nothing on babies already born who have no chance at survival. All the VA bill will do is make the process easier for these families dealing with this devastation...but I suppose you think the Christian thing to do is to prolong their suffering apparently. Sad.

Your darned right the christian thing to do is not MURDER a baby because it has possible complications. UNBELIEVABLE that that has to be pointed out. What is this now? Nazi Germany or the Klingon Empire? Death to all babies born with complications? Sometimes they live and even recover.

And NO, the issue was not ONLY about a baby that was sure to die. That is a lie. Sometimes babies that are expected to die actually LIVE.

You're nothing more than a purposeful liar. I didn't say complications, I SAID NON-VIABILITY! That means trained medical professionals have determined that the baby won't live. But yes, that one in a million case in which the baby does survive to lead what most likely would be a horrific or short life is well worth the pain suffering the baby would endure along with the parents. SMH.

(02-01-2019 11:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 11:00 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:44 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  This pretty much nails it.

Will Someone Please Explain To Anti-Choice Idiots That Nobody's Killing Born Babies?

This shows just what liars and scumbags people are today.

He absolutely advocated the position of possibly killing a baby AFTER its been born if it has heath issues or complications.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is an obvious liar.

Of course...non viable health issues. That means the baby is going to die no matter what...and these decisions are made every day now by doctors and medical professionals. This will change next to nothing on babies already born who have no chance at survival. All the VA bill will do is make the process easier for these families dealing with this devastation...but I suppose you think the Christian thing to do is to prolong their suffering apparently. Sad.

Your darned right the christian thing to do is not MURDER a baby because it has possible complications. UNBELIEVABLE that that has to be pointed out. What is this now? Nazi Germany or the Klingon Empire? Death to all babies born with complications? Sometimes they live and even recover.

And NO, the issue was not ONLY about a baby that was sure to die. That is a lie. Sometimes babies that are expected to die actually LIVE.

You're nothing more than a purposeful liar. I didn't say complications, I SAID NON-VIABILITY! That means trained medical professionals have determined that the baby won't live. But yes, that one in a million case in which the baby does survive to lead what most likely would be a horrific or short life is well worth the pain suffering the baby would endure along with the parents. SMH.

You truly are a disgusting human being on every level.

(02-01-2019 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

So I could pass med school just set up an abortion shop in Detroit and offer an abortion to anyone that walks in the door at any time as long as I "make that call"?

This hardly even justifies a response.

Ridiculous.

What's ridiculous? It is a question. If Redwingtom was emperor, would that be legal?

The premise. You'd go to medical school for years, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs, to open a clinic and violate all the ethics you swore to uphold and would provide a service with an extremely limited client base. Good plan!

Bottom line, no, it would not be legal, just as it isn't now, for doctors to lie about the health of the baby or mother just to provide an abortion.

Because nobody in business violates ethics to make money?

If you take insurance and Medicaid and accept all patients, regardless of pregnancy stage, you'd make a fortune once you build your reputation like the doctors that prescribe painkillers like candy.

And it isn't lying. Pregnancy and childbirth does not exist without threatening the health of the mother or the child, physically or mentally in the case of the mother. My neighbor's baby choked herself to death with the umbilical cord in the last week.

And as you said, only the doctor and the mother can make that determination. Am I right?

(01-31-2019 07:04 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I notice that Tiger Green and the rest of the libs have gone silent.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I've been out of town & pretty much offline for a few days. That said, I was never involved in any of the discussion re: VA's potential law, so no need to respond.

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 10:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 05:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think I pretty clearly stated that I'd prefer the decision be made within 20 weeks, but that should be decided by each state. My preference in that case would be for the baby to be born and given up for adoption.

And to be clear, I never intimated that rape and incest were any huge percentage of abortion cases, but it is an area where I am fine with exceptions. Women who suffered this trauma get some leeway to figure things out as far as I'm concerned.

Your preference...so you would not oppose a 9th month abortion of a viable baby due to circumstances

Of course I would oppose it if there's nothing wrong with the baby and the health of the mother is not in danger, but it's not my decision to make.

Define health of the mother. Does this include mental health? If so, where do you draw that line?

You could argue that the health of the mother is always in danger. Any new mother is in danger of postpartum depression, right? Regardless the intent, whatever it may be (and I think the VA gov made his clear), using academic speak and legalese, the passed NY law and the failed VA law would cover me to have an abortion up until the last second no matter what, right?

I assume that means you oppose the laws? Or are you also using academic speak to polish the turd that is a despicable position under the surface?

Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

Gosnell never happened either huh

(02-01-2019 10:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 10:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-31-2019 05:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 08:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-30-2019 04:55 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Don't think it takes 20 weeks to figure out if you have been raped or got knocked up by your pops. 99.9% of Americans agree the day after drug should be administered in those instances. That has always been the most lame excuse for abortion since its beginning. Fewer than one percent of all abortions are performed because of rape or incest. Pandora's Box has been opened.

Let's say a woman who "qualifies" under the rape/incest exception says no abortion for 8 months. Then in the 9th month changes her mind.

Is that allowable in your eyes RWT

I think I pretty clearly stated that I'd prefer the decision be made within 20 weeks, but that should be decided by each state. My preference in that case would be for the baby to be born and given up for adoption.

And to be clear, I never intimated that rape and incest were any huge percentage of abortion cases, but it is an area where I am fine with exceptions. Women who suffered this trauma get some leeway to figure things out as far as I'm concerned.

Your preference...so you would not oppose a 9th month abortion of a viable baby due to circumstances

Of course I would oppose it if there's nothing wrong with the baby and the health of the mother is not in danger, but it's not my decision to make.

You contradicted yourself. You said you would oppose it but it's not your decision to make

Therefore you advocate allowing it to happen if that's what the mother wants

(02-01-2019 10:36 AM)Paul M Wrote:  They laws aren't carving out exceptions saying healthy babies being carried by women not in any danger can't kill their's.

(1) if it is performed earlier than 24 weeks of pregnancy;
(2) in an “absence of fetal viability”; or
(3) if necessary to “protect the patient’s life or health.”

Past 24 weeks, #2 & #3 are clear exceptions.

YES - there will be the minority of 'medical bad guys' out there (the "Gosnells" to use your phrase) who may see this as carte blanche, but news flash - those people would have done it anyway, with or without this law.

The NY law protects law-abiding medical professionals who are truly looking out for the well-being of the women having to make these terrible choices in regards to their health, or the health of another baby in utero in the case of a multiples birth, or making the decision to keep a baby from having to suffer/struggle at birth, only to die moments later.

(02-01-2019 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:35 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Certified medical professionals (medical doctors and mental health specialists) make that call. Not me or you...and certainly not the government. Full Stop.

And yes, you could always argue that if you want to act like there's some movement to just start killing perfectly healthy babies that women have carried for 8+ months and just for no reason decide they no longer want the baby and do not want to give it up for adoption...you know...that thing that likely never happens that you guys are all so worked up about.

So I could pass med school just set up an abortion shop in Detroit and offer an abortion to anyone that walks in the door at any time as long as I "make that call"?

This hardly even justifies a response.

Ridiculous.

What's ridiculous? It is a question. If Redwingtom was emperor, would that be legal?

The premise. You'd go to medical school for years, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs, to open a clinic and violate all the ethics you swore to uphold and would provide a service with an extremely limited client base. Good plan!

Bottom line, no, it would not be legal, just as it isn't now, for doctors to lie about the health of the baby or mother just to provide an abortion.

Fun fact

A lot of what doctors do is increasing incredibly subjective.

My wife is trying to determine if she has lupus. One doctor swears its lupus the other swears its soriatic arthritis.

Look at athletes with injuries. One doctor may say they should never play again while another may say you'll be fine if you do X,Y, and Z

Getting a doctor to say what you believe to be true is generally very easy, especially when their reimbursment is now based on patient satisfaction

there'$ a reason it'$ called 'practicing medicine' boys and girls...

(02-01-2019 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:52 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-01-2019 10:48 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  So I could pass med school just set up an abortion shop in Detroit and offer an abortion to anyone that walks in the door at any time as long as I "make that call"?

This hardly even justifies a response.
Ridiculous.

What's ridiculous? It is a question. If Redwingtom was emperor, would that be legal?

The premise. You'd go to medical school for years, racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs, to open a clinic and violate all the ethics you swore to uphold and would provide a service with an extremely limited client base. Good plan!
Bottom line, no, it would not be legal, just as it isn't now, for doctors to lie about the health of the baby or mother just to provide an abortion.

"In my opinion, she needs an abortion." How can that be a lie? It's an expression of opinion.

And don't kid yourself if you think that doesn't go on now.

To respond to your absurd hypothetical, probably nobody starts out that way. But some do end up there.