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RE: New York 'celebrates' legalizing abortion until birth
(01-29-2019 10:37 AM)tigergreen Wrote: (01-29-2019 09:56 AM)200yrs2late Wrote: (01-28-2019 11:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote: (01-28-2019 07:37 PM)200yrs2late Wrote: (01-28-2019 04:57 PM)tigergreen Wrote: First off, no one is a "pro-baby murder supporter." People realize this isn't about women who just wake up one morning & decide the don't want to be pregnant - it is a much, much more involved, nuanced situation.
Just one example:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...h/1644839/
Cecily Kellogg, 44, a writer who lives near Philadelphia, says that was the situation she faced when she was nearly six months pregnant with twin boys in 2004 and developed severe preeclampsia. One fetus had already died and "my liver had shut down, my kidneys had shut down and they were expecting me to start seizing at any minute," she says. The doctors said they had to quickly dilate her cervix and perform an abortion to save her. "I fought it," she says. "But they told me I would die — that it was either me and my son or just my son."
Of course, those who want to keep their head in the sand will not think this is "real" just because it's on FB, or "proof" that late-term abortions are sometimes not only needed for the health of the mother, but a more humane choice than their baby struggling.
In this case, the woman had to go to a different hospital because the one she was scheduled to go to would not perform the procedure as a Catholic hospital. That's their choice, of course, but again, in NY, this would not have been allowed, period.
(The mother's post below link - warning - the pictures are tough to see:)
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?s...08&__xts__[0]=68.ARAxtGCThTF_fz3fdH6qopIj8dvO1VhGqywilWDg_MIbkOY7SYxPC0BANFiezjbpZdXc-DmSGrYbiHE7nqM8_9P9It5r9NNHXswnsRdUJxcYXT3g7s-FlJicyT8UL5_egrEX1lW_VoKiYTlquQ5-pc7oHlQN-siSvBhNRDQcrSI1lYQCt89vAXCZ6AAonwzlvAL6AS4wXHVzO0_HlKTPhiFhd3a26ezU124J0vzHBMIwpuk&__tn__=C-R
These photos are raw. They are real. The law recently passed in New York re: late term abortion? This is what this law was passed for. It wasnt passed because people just change their minds at the end of the pregnancy and decide to kill their babies. These are pregnancies where the child can't survive. Pregnancies that threaten the mother's life. Babies that pass in the womb but hospitals wont induce until close to the due date. Caelyn was to be delivered at St Joes. It was clear he would not survive no matter what we did as his condition became worse at every scan. St Joes, being a Catholic hospital, would NOT induce the pregnancy, even though it had even become a health risk for me to continue carrying him. I had to deliver him at UW Seattle Hospital because they were the only ones willing to perform a "late term abortion" (27 weeks), because, medically, that is what we were doing. We were ending a pregnancy with the knowledge that our son would not survive. If you feel what we did was wrong, see yourself off my friend's list and away from my post. I love my son. I miss my son. I wish more than anything everyday that my son were here. I should be planning his 3rd birthday. If you think for one second I wanted to end his life, you are greatly mistaken.
Edit to add since this has been shared so many times: Caelyn had hydrops fetalis caused by a condition called Sly Syndrome. He was the 8th case to occur in the US according to our geneticist. He also had severe dwarfism, clubbed feet, and numerous other conditions.
My wife calls BS. If one of the twins was still alive there is no reason they could not have performed a c-section and tried to save him. Would he have faced long odds due to the multiple rare conditions he was dealing with? Absolutely, but the decision was made to not even try.
With all due respect, your wife is not this mother who had all the info in front of her, nor is she the doctor who did the tests and found out just how dire the situation was. The decision was made not to have this baby suffer. I can’t judge her for that, nor should any of us.
Any of us who have lost a parent or other family member to cancer or another detrimental illness they are not going to survive knows that we would rather they go peacefully and not struggling. How could you not be compassionate to a mother not wanting to see her baby go through the same struggle?
You're right, she wasn't the mother and certainly not a single one of us would wish a difficult decision regarding the long and difficult struggles a child might have to survive. She has assisted in deliveries of premies, stillborns, and is continuing her education in fetal and infant development.
Her argument would be much more compelling if she didn't include the line about "Babies that pass in the womb but hospitals wont induce until close to the due date." My wife says that to the best of her knowledge, that it not a thing. Labor is induced if the child is deceased as it can be a severe health risk to the mother and futhermore it is unnecessary emotional burden on the mother.
Does she work at a Catholic hospital? One of these examples was because of that fact - they refused to do it. Of course we know not all hospitals in all states refuse - the point is that the N.Y. law protects women who are making these choices in a state where late term laws are more restrictive. That is not everywhere,but it is a proactive move in case of more restrictive laws or, heaven forbid, RvW is overturned.
No. I'd have to ask, but I don't think the hospital could deny inducing a woman who's child was already deceased due to the risk to the mother. I'll pose that question to her this evening, she may or may not know.
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New York 'celebrates' legalizing abortion until birth
