Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

(01-28-2019 01:42 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I work around many people from different countries. I find it very rude when they both can speak English but choose to speak their native tongue when in the company of Americans. I’ve let it be known that it’s rude and disrespectful. One way I’ve countered is learning enough of it to be dangerous and commenting on the conversation.

Vietnamese are the same way. But after how the US sold them out in 74-75 I can hardly blame them for not trusting Americans and not fully assimilating into US Society.

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

(01-28-2019 02:06 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Brokaw must be reprogrammed. He must. conform.

The Borg may be more real than anyone imagined. They have arrived in several cubes which are broadcasting as CNN, CNBC, CBS, and ABC. They want you to believe that resistance is futile. They would have a chance if they sent Jeri Ryan to recruit me.

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Shopping at WalMart in droves on the weekend doesn't count.

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

I would disagree, if they were assimilated they would speak English instead of Spanish.


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(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

(01-28-2019 03:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

(01-28-2019 03:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 03:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

Don't forget those pesky French!

(01-28-2019 12:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/tom-brokaw...nd-babies/

"...Brokaw said he also happens to believe that “the Hispanics should work harder at assimilation.”

“That’s one of the things that I’ve been saying for a long time, you know, that they ought not to be just codified in their communities but make sure that all of their kids are learning to speak English and that they feel comfortable in the communities,” Brokaw said. “And that’s going to take outreach on both sides, frankly.”"

He's attacked for saying something entirely reasonable.

I remember a HS teacher telling her students, "If you don't learn English well, you're limited to working at Fiesta Supermarkets." She'd probably get fired for that sound advice these days.

Good grief.

That's controversial now these days? That should be the single ubiquitous mission or messaging to ALL kids in ALL schools everywhere. That unless you plan to be a pro athlete, maybe a talented musician or something, you best not come across as an uneducated dummy. Not even guys doing home improvement type stuff will last long if people can't trust them to show up on time, do the job right the first time and know wtf they're doing, that takes some training and learnin' too.

Not gonna go far if you can't even converse.

(01-28-2019 03:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

Quote:Language diversity in the United States has grown as the immigrant population has increased and become more varied. Today, about 85 percent of the foreign-born population speaks a language other than English at home. The most prevalent language (other than English) is by far Spanish: 62 percent of all immigrants speak Spanish at home. However, a more accurate measure of language integration is English language proficiency, or how well people say they speak English. There is evidence that integration is happening as rapidly or faster now than it did for the earlier waves of mainly European immigrants in the 20th
century. Today, many immigrants arrive already speaking English as a first or second language. Currently, about 50 percent of the foreign-born in surveys report they speak English “very well” or “well,” while less than 10 percent say they speak English “not at all.” There are significant differences in English proficiency by region and country of birth: immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean generally report lower rates of English-language proficiency than immigrants from other regions, and they are most likely to say they speak English “not at all.” The second+ generations are generally acquiring English and losing their ancestors’ language at roughly the same rates as their historical predecessors, with English monolingualism usually occurring within three generations. Spanish speakers and their descendants, however, appear to be acquiring English and losing Spanish more slowly than other immigrant groups. Yet even in the large Spanish-speaking concentration in Southern California, Mexican Americans’ transition to English dominance is all but complete by the third generation; only 4 percent still speak primarily Spanish at home, although 17 percent reported they can speak Spanish very well.

Source: National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine 2015. The Integration of Immigrants into American Society. Washington, DC: The National Academies

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

EDIT: Fixed link

(01-28-2019 12:45 PM)Claw Wrote:  Illegal immigrants could move their poll numbers 15% almost instantly if they simply carried American flags instead of Mexican flags when they have a protest.

Likely some truth there as well. Never got that one; flee the schithole for a "better" life, then proceed to trash the new joint (both literally and figuratively), display the Proud flag of said former schithole while you insist this once great Nation provide you with a bunch of free stuff, be it housing, clothing, food, transportation, schooling for your kids etc etc. If you're so proud of Guatemala and the successes they've had with each of the above there, then good go back and live the good life. Why come here, wave your flags in open hostility and tell us all the things you deserve from those of us that live here, simply cause you showed up one day.

(01-28-2019 12:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 12:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  over/under on how long it takes him to issue an apology to appease.

Answer - Not Long

https://twitter.com/tombrokaw

1/2 of the replies to his apology are "I am white and deeply offended". Why do ledtists get "offended" so easily?

It's the mob in the cesspool that is social media. These people just wait around to find some hotspot like this rather mild statement and try to out virtue signal and over "I'm OFFENDED" each other.

I think it's about 25 people that all haunt the same sites and follow each other around.

(01-28-2019 01:24 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  My fear here is that two fundamental American values are that we are accepting of differences (founded by those fleeing religious persecution) and being the cultural melting pot as the reason for our success as a nation (the great experiment), but those values are being seen as being in tension with each other.

We can encourage assimilation w/o requiring it, but we lose a lot when we move to a Canadian-style of separated multiculturalism.

Yup.

the melting pot has now become more like one of those store bought veggie/dip trays.

Yea, they all kind of go together, and can compliment each other but each ingredient is in it's separate compartment and don't commingle all that often.

That's not assimilation, would have to make a disgusting blender vegetable smoothie for that.

(01-28-2019 04:10 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 03:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

Quote:Language diversity in the United States has grown as the immigrant population has increased and become more varied. Today, about 85 percent of the foreign-born population speaks a language other than English at home. The most prevalent language (other than English) is by far Spanish: 62 percent of all immigrants speak Spanish at home. However, a more accurate measure of language integration is English language proficiency, or how well people say they speak English. There is evidence that integration is happening as rapidly or faster now than it did for the earlier waves of mainly European immigrants in the 20th
century. Today, many immigrants arrive already speaking English as a first or second language. Currently, about 50 percent of the foreign-born in surveys report they speak English “very well” or “well,” while less than 10 percent say they speak English “not at all.” There are significant differences in English proficiency by region and country of birth: immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean generally report lower rates of English-language proficiency than immigrants from other regions, and they are most likely to say they speak English “not at all.” The second+ generations are generally acquiring English and losing their ancestors’ language at roughly the same rates as their historical predecessors, with English monolingualism usually occurring within three generations. Spanish speakers and their descendants, however, appear to be acquiring English and losing Spanish more slowly than other immigrant groups. Yet even in the large Spanish-speaking concentration in Southern California, Mexican Americans’ transition to English dominance is all but complete by the third generation; only 4 percent still speak primarily Spanish at home, although 17 percent reported they can speak Spanish very well.

Source: National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine 2015. The Integration of Immigrants into American Society. Washington, DC: The National Academies
Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/21746.

Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

(01-28-2019 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

Yeah, my bad. I thought the link would take people to the PDF. The quoted text is from a 400+ page report. Here's the link if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

The PDF is free to download, you don't need to make an account and can just "download as guest" when prompted.

As to whether this was the right journal for that type of study, Sciences is a pretty broad category. This particular report was from The Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education.

(01-28-2019 04:36 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

Yeah, my bad. I thought the link would take people to the PDF. The quoted text is from a 400+ page report. Here's the link if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

The PDF is free to download, you don't need to make an account and can just "download as guest" when prompted.

As to whether this was the right journal for that type of study, Sciences is a pretty broad category. This particular report was from The Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education.

Right this very second, outside my house...

There are 2 different construction crews working. 1 is doing utility work at the end of my road, and the other is building 2 houses.

I work from home, so I get to look out my window from my desk and see them all day.

I'd say there are about 20-25 people total... most of them appear to either be from Mexico, Central or South America.

Everyone is speaking spanish, and there are various stereos sitting around playing very loud Mexican music.

They have been here about 3 weeks so far, and I haven't seen one of them eating lunch or breakfast from any local businesses, say one single word of English, and not one of them appear to have their own vehicle.

In the evenings, when I occasionally go out to dinner with my wife and son, we don't see annnnnny of them at any of the multitude of restaurants we go to.

Sure, I run into them at Walmart... but even then, their carts are filled with things written in spanish that I didn't even know existed.

Sounds pretty assimilated to me.

Assimilate means more than live here without killing anybody.

(01-28-2019 04:10 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 03:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

Quote:Language diversity in the United States has grown as the immigrant population has increased and become more varied. Today, about 85 percent of the foreign-born population speaks a language other than English at home. The most prevalent language (other than English) is by far Spanish: 62 percent of all immigrants speak Spanish at home. However, a more accurate measure of language integration is English language proficiency, or how well people say they speak English. There is evidence that integration is happening as rapidly or faster now than it did for the earlier waves of mainly European immigrants in the 20th
century. Today, many immigrants arrive already speaking English as a first or second language. Currently, about 50 percent of the foreign-born in surveys report they speak English “very well” or “well,” while less than 10 percent say they speak English “not at all.” There are significant differences in English proficiency by region and country of birth: immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean generally report lower rates of English-language proficiency than immigrants from other regions, and they are most likely to say they speak English “not at all.” The second+ generations are generally acquiring English and losing their ancestors’ language at roughly the same rates as their historical predecessors, with English monolingualism usually occurring within three generations. Spanish speakers and their descendants, however, appear to be acquiring English and losing Spanish more slowly than other immigrant groups. Yet even in the large Spanish-speaking concentration in Southern California, Mexican Americans’ transition to English dominance is all but complete by the third generation; only 4 percent still speak primarily Spanish at home, although 17 percent reported they can speak Spanish very well.

Source: National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine 2015. The Integration of Immigrants into American Society. Washington, DC: The National Academies

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

EDIT: Fixed link

So learning the English language = assimilation into the uniquely American culture? Kids in Guadalajara can do that watching John Wayne movies and Price is Right reruns. Kids in the Philippines and Japan can do the same thing. That over 60% still speak Spanish in the home is a bit disconcerting.

I esp loved that second video and the guys yelling Viva la Mejico!

Uhhhh, pal? You're in the wrong Country then. Go home, help out with the Viva.

Dang...I feel so ashamed. Right now my wife is fixing some enchiladas for Lupper. But hey, at least I will be drinking American beer!

LOL, Just kidding and all that but I agree with you. My biggest gripe is watching the news and they're interviewing someone at an incident and the person is speaking Spanish. Shiate man, at least don't speak or even if you do, try out your new English skills, practice makes perfect right?

One gripe about the Americans who want everyone to speak English on this board, at least learn to use went and gone correctly and other past and present words, and this comes from college educated people, sheesh.

(01-28-2019 03:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 03:38 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 03:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

Don't forget those pesky French!

My youtube isn't working good. Looks like the French are assimilated. Is that like a little parade? They probably got a permit for that. Now the Mexicans gunning engines smoking their tires, in a private strip center lot, probably not legal. I have seen them doing that in the Loop also, blocking traffic.