(01-28-2019 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:10 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 03:29 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:25 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Brokaw is absolutely right. If you want to become a US Citizen, you need to assimilate. There is a reason you wanted to come here in the first place - and we need to keep it that way. Don't come here and bring your sh*tty way of life with you...

Immigrants coming from Hispanic countries are assimilating just as fast, or faster, than previous waves of immigrants that came from mainland Europe and Asia.

Is this your misguided opinion or do you actually have some statistical analysis to back this BS up?

Quote:Language diversity in the United States has grown as the immigrant population has increased and become more varied. Today, about 85 percent of the foreign-born population speaks a language other than English at home. The most prevalent language (other than English) is by far Spanish: 62 percent of all immigrants speak Spanish at home. However, a more accurate measure of language integration is English language proficiency, or how well people say they speak English. There is evidence that integration is happening as rapidly or faster now than it did for the earlier waves of mainly European immigrants in the 20th
century. Today, many immigrants arrive already speaking English as a first or second language. Currently, about 50 percent of the foreign-born in surveys report they speak English “very well” or “well,” while less than 10 percent say they speak English “not at all.” There are significant differences in English proficiency by region and country of birth: immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean generally report lower rates of English-language proficiency than immigrants from other regions, and they are most likely to say they speak English “not at all.” The second+ generations are generally acquiring English and losing their ancestors’ language at roughly the same rates as their historical predecessors, with English monolingualism usually occurring within three generations. Spanish speakers and their descendants, however, appear to be acquiring English and losing Spanish more slowly than other immigrant groups. Yet even in the large Spanish-speaking concentration in Southern California, Mexican Americans’ transition to English dominance is all but complete by the third generation; only 4 percent still speak primarily Spanish at home, although 17 percent reported they can speak Spanish very well.

Source: National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine 2015. The Integration of Immigrants into American Society. Washington, DC: The National Academies
Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/21746.

Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

It covers all sciences, my Dad got a medal and induction there when I was a kid for Paleobiology. So this could likely fall under Anthropology, demographics, any number of rather soft sciences under social sciences.

(01-28-2019 12:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/tom-brokaw...nd-babies/

"...Brokaw said he also happens to believe that “the Hispanics should work harder at assimilation.”

“That’s one of the things that I’ve been saying for a long time, you know, that they ought not to be just codified in their communities but make sure that all of their kids are learning to speak English and that they feel comfortable in the communities,” Brokaw said. “And that’s going to take outreach on both sides, frankly.”"

He's attacked for saying something entirely reasonable.

I remember a HS teacher telling her students, "If you don't learn English well, you're limited to working at Fiesta Supermarkets." She'd probably get fired for that sound advice these days.

This applicable to all immigrants..I have a friend who recently immigrated from Manchester England, he makes no attempt to speak English.....oh, wait...well i can barely understand the guy.

(01-28-2019 04:36 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

Yeah, my bad. I thought the link would take people to the PDF. The quoted text is from a 400+ page report. Here's the link if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

The PDF is free to download, you don't need to make an account and can just "download as guest" when prompted.

As to whether this was the right journal for that type of study, Sciences is a pretty broad category. This particular report was from The Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education.

Well, there you go, already covered.

(01-28-2019 04:43 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:36 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

Yeah, my bad. I thought the link would take people to the PDF. The quoted text is from a 400+ page report. Here's the link if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

The PDF is free to download, you don't need to make an account and can just "download as guest" when prompted.

As to whether this was the right journal for that type of study, Sciences is a pretty broad category. This particular report was from The Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education.

Right this very second, outside my house...

There are 2 different construction crews working. 1 is doing utility work at the end of my road, and the other is building 2 houses.

I work from home, so I get to look out my window from my desk and see them all day.

I'd say there are about 20-25 people total... most of them appear to either be from Mexico, Central or South America.

Everyone is speaking spanish, and there are various stereos sitting around playing very loud Mexican music.

They have been here about 3 weeks so far, and I haven't seen one of them eating lunch or breakfast from any local businesses, say one single word of English, and not one of them appear to have their own vehicle.

In the evenings, when I occasionally go out to dinner with my wife and son, we don't see annnnnny of them at any of the multitude of restaurants we go to.

Sure, I run into them at Walmart... but even then, their carts are filled with things written in spanish that I didn't even know existed.

Sounds pretty assimilated to me.

Assimilate means more than live here without killing anybody.

Since we're telling anecdotes, for the first three years out of college on my own, I lived in a predominately Hispanic apartment complex. Yes, most of the adults in my building had a limited grasp on the English language, but their children all spoke English very well. If I needed something from a neighbor, their kids would translate if I couldn't communicate with their parents. Generally, the first generation chiefly speaks their native language, the second generation speaks both English and their native language at home, and by the third generation, they speak English as their preferred language.

This has been the same process historically for German immigrants, Italian immigrants, Chinese immigrants, Polish immigrants... etc....

(01-28-2019 04:36 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

Yeah, my bad. I thought the link would take people to the PDF. The quoted text is from a 400+ page report. Here's the link if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

The PDF is free to download, you don't need to make an account and can just "download as guest" when prompted.

As to whether this was the right journal for that type of study, Sciences is a pretty broad category. This particular report was from The Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education.

I don't think there is any question but that they are assimilating slower than they did from the 1920s to 1960s. Now maybe during the time of peak immigration from the 1850s-1920s it was slower then.

(01-28-2019 12:37 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 12:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  over/under on how long it takes him to issue an apology to appease.

Answer - Not Long

https://twitter.com/tombrokaw

Yeah. It didn't take long for Brokaw to get slapped down for wandering off the leftist's thought plantation.

(01-28-2019 05:33 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:43 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:36 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(01-28-2019 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not a good link.
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine??? Doesn't sound like the right journal for that type of study.

Yeah, my bad. I thought the link would take people to the PDF. The quoted text is from a 400+ page report. Here's the link if you wish to see for yourself:

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/21746/the-in...an-society

The PDF is free to download, you don't need to make an account and can just "download as guest" when prompted.

As to whether this was the right journal for that type of study, Sciences is a pretty broad category. This particular report was from The Division of Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education.

Right this very second, outside my house...

There are 2 different construction crews working. 1 is doing utility work at the end of my road, and the other is building 2 houses.

I work from home, so I get to look out my window from my desk and see them all day.

I'd say there are about 20-25 people total... most of them appear to either be from Mexico, Central or South America.

Everyone is speaking spanish, and there are various stereos sitting around playing very loud Mexican music.

They have been here about 3 weeks so far, and I haven't seen one of them eating lunch or breakfast from any local businesses, say one single word of English, and not one of them appear to have their own vehicle.

In the evenings, when I occasionally go out to dinner with my wife and son, we don't see annnnnny of them at any of the multitude of restaurants we go to.

Sure, I run into them at Walmart... but even then, their carts are filled with things written in spanish that I didn't even know existed.

Sounds pretty assimilated to me.

Assimilate means more than live here without killing anybody.

Since we're telling anecdotes, for the first three years out of college on my own, I lived in a predominately Hispanic apartment complex. Yes, most of the adults in my building had a limited grasp on the English language, but their children all spoke English very well. If I needed something from a neighbor, their kids would translate if I couldn't communicate with their parents. Generally, the first generation chiefly speaks their native language, the second generation speaks both English and their native language at home, and by the third generation, they speak English as their preferred language.

This has been the same process historically for German immigrants, Italian immigrants, Chinese immigrants, Polish immigrants... etc....

Bobcat, you're absolutely right. None of my 9 grandkids speak Spanish as a first language, they understand it but very rarely speak it. They even have Gringo names, LOL. Us oldsters generally speak Spanglish, a little of both within our circles.