I have no idea how good BG is. WMU looked decent in OOC but is 0 for the conference season.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...615094002/

Nice story on BG and their star. Interesting that they were picked to finish LAST in the MAC East.

(01-21-2019 05:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...615094002/

Nice story on BG and their star. Interesting that they were picked to finish LAST in the MAC East.

Some teams exceed expectations, and some teams under achieve.

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(01-21-2019 06:03 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 05:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...615094002/

Nice story on BG and their star. Interesting that they were picked to finish LAST in the MAC East.

Some teams exceed expectations, and some teams under achieve.

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BG has played a very, very soft OOC schedule and that may have helped.

EMU's strength of schedule is now up to 16 (was as low as round 6 or even lower).

BG's now is 298.

140 Bowling Green = 73.59 11 5 68.63( 298) 0 0 | 0 1 | 73.48 141 | 72.12 161 | 81.24 53 MAC(east)

EDIT: From the EMU game notes:

TOUGHEST IN THE MAC: The Eagles' record of 8-10 is a bit
misleading for those not paying attention. Eastern has played the
fourth-hardest schedule in the country (according to KenPom),
including three games against Associated Press Top-25 teams and
two against opponents in the top-10.
Ball State is the next-closest team with the 74th-most difficult
schedule in the country.
OVERTIME THRILLERS: Last season, EMU

(01-21-2019 07:44 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 06:03 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 05:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...615094002/

Nice story on BG and their star. Interesting that they were picked to finish LAST in the MAC East.

Some teams exceed expectations, and some teams under achieve.

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BG has played a very, very soft OOC schedule and that may have helped.

EMU's strength of schedule is now up to 16 (was as low as round 6 or even lower).

BG's now is 298.

140 Bowling Green = 73.59 11 5 68.63( 298) 0 0 | 0 1 | 73.48 141 | 72.12 161 | 81.24 53 MAC(east)

EDIT: From the EMU game notes:

TOUGHEST IN THE MAC: The Eagles' record of 8-10 is a bit
misleading for those not paying attention. Eastern has played the
fourth-hardest schedule in the country (according to KenPom),
including three games against Associated Press Top-25 teams and
two against opponents in the top-10.
Ball State is the next-closest team with the 74th-most difficult
schedule in the country.
OVERTIME THRILLERS: Last season, EMU

Misleading post. EVERYONE knows that when they offered up themselves as a human sacrifice to Duke and Kansas, it totally skewed the numbers...they've also already took their obligatory 2 butt whippings from Buffalo. Quit trying to deceive the people. They've played more than their share of cupcakes.

(01-21-2019 04:26 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 07:44 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 06:03 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 05:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...615094002/

Nice story on BG and their star. Interesting that they were picked to finish LAST in the MAC East.

Some teams exceed expectations, and some teams under achieve.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320AZ using Tapatalk

BG has played a very, very soft OOC schedule and that may have helped.

EMU's strength of schedule is now up to 16 (was as low as round 6 or even lower).

BG's now is 298.

140 Bowling Green = 73.59 11 5 68.63( 298) 0 0 | 0 1 | 73.48 141 | 72.12 161 | 81.24 53 MAC(east)

EDIT: From the EMU game notes:

TOUGHEST IN THE MAC: The Eagles' record of 8-10 is a bit
misleading for those not paying attention. Eastern has played the
fourth-hardest schedule in the country (according to KenPom),
including three games against Associated Press Top-25 teams and
two against opponents in the top-10.
Ball State is the next-closest team with the 74th-most difficult
schedule in the country.
OVERTIME THRILLERS: Last season, EMU

Misleading post. EVERYONE knows that when they offered up themselves as a human sacrifice to Duke and Kansas, it totally skewed the numbers...they've also already took their obligatory 2 butt whippings from Buffalo. Quit trying to deceive the people. They've played more than their share of cupcakes.

And TCU, too.

The cupcakes were D-II and no one figures them into any kind of strength of schedule numbers.

Otherwise, the numbers speak for themselves.

BGSU is in the top 25 mid majors, WMU always has a strong club — single digits with UB in closing minutes. This week we find out if we are real or not.

(01-21-2019 04:26 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 07:44 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 06:03 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-21-2019 05:47 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports...615094002/

Nice story on BG and their star. Interesting that they were picked to finish LAST in the MAC East.

Some teams exceed expectations, and some teams under achieve.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-J320AZ using Tapatalk

BG has played a very, very soft OOC schedule and that may have helped.

EMU's strength of schedule is now up to 16 (was as low as round 6 or even lower).

BG's now is 298.

140 Bowling Green = 73.59 11 5 68.63( 298) 0 0 | 0 1 | 73.48 141 | 72.12 161 | 81.24 53 MAC(east)

EDIT: From the EMU game notes:

TOUGHEST IN THE MAC: The Eagles' record of 8-10 is a bit
misleading for those not paying attention. Eastern has played the
fourth-hardest schedule in the country (according to KenPom),
including three games against Associated Press Top-25 teams and
two against opponents in the top-10.
Ball State is the next-closest team with the 74th-most difficult
schedule in the country.
OVERTIME THRILLERS: Last season, EMU

Misleading post. EVERYONE knows that when they offered up themselves as a human sacrifice to Duke and Kansas, it totally skewed the numbers...they've also already took their obligatory 2 butt whippings from Buffalo. Quit trying to deceive the people. They've played more than their share of cupcakes.

Bob.

EMU has played 5 games vs. top 25 teams. Duke, TCU, Kansas and UB twice.

That's incredible for any mid-major team.

Sure we've played a bunch of non-D-I games, but they really don't count. Everyone ignores them, including all of the statistical series including Sagarins.

As we head into February and if things don't turn around soon why not play the younger inexperienced guys more to get them ready for next year? I doubt this team will compete for the conference championship based on their current caliber of play.

We weren't as good as we thought and the rest of the conference was underrated. And we have a coach that refuses to adjust.

(01-24-2019 07:31 AM)emu79 Wrote:  As we head into February and if things don't turn around soon why not play the younger inexperienced guys more to get them ready for next year? I doubt this team will compete for the conference championship based on their current caliber of play.

We weren't as good as we thought and the rest of the conference was underrated. And we have a coach that refuses to adjust.

Not sure I completely agree.

As I have posted (elsewhere?) we have played a very tough schedule OOC and WITHIN CONFERENCE to date.

Three of our six MAC games have been vs. 5 - 1 UB and 6 - 0 BG.

I would think that anyone who appreciates research would conclude that the schedule is incredibly skewed and skewed schedules produce skewed results.

I want to see more games vs. the rest of the conference...

Steve, I agree.

I'd rather be beating these teams, but the comments on this board that the team follows no offensive plan and isn't any good are completely divorced from reality. It's typical BBS / talk radio that may as well be coming from Skip Bayless or Colin Cowherd.

We'll find out on Saturday if it's only the good competition is stifling us.

WMU is 0-6 and in last place in the MAC. A loss in Kalamazoo would be an embarrassment.

Okay Steve and Block E, on the offense side I would like to see the number of shot clock violations this team has had this year. Toure is really slow to rotate in the zone and we get shredded inside and also out on the outside as players are late getting to their spots. We play decent defense but not consistently. I look at games at Northeastern, home for UCIrvine and home for U of D and no this team did not look good in those games. The MAC is tough but you need to win at home. So exactly what adjustments in either the lineup or offense have either of you seen? What exactly is our offensive scheme?

For Murphy to get to 20 this year will be extremely difficult and therefore next year might be his last year. His hopes for 20 wins next year rest on guys like Bud Jones, Silver, Macdoo, Ellison, King among others. Are they ready? I'm thinking not but at least with more playing time they might improve enough to be competitive next year and let them play through their mistakes instead of yanking them out every other minute.

(01-24-2019 08:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Okay Steve and Block E, on the offense side I would like to see the number of shot clock violations this team has had this year. Toure is really slow to rotate in the zone and we get shredded inside and also out on the outside as players are late getting to their spots. We play decent defense but not consistently. I look at games at Northeastern, home for UCIrvine and home for U of D and no this team did not look good in those games. The MAC is tough but you need to win at home. So exactly what adjustments in either the lineup or offense have either of you seen? What exactly is our offensive scheme?

For Murphy to get to 20 this year will be extremely difficult and therefore next year might be his last year. His hopes for 20 wins next year rest on guys like Bud Jones, Silver, Macdoo, Ellison, King among others. Are they ready? I'm thinking not but at least with more playing time they might improve enough to be competitive next year and let them play through their mistakes instead of yanking them out every other minute.

I'm with 79. I'm not agitated with the fact that this team loses, I'm disgusted with the way that they play. It's a steaming pile.

Hard to imagine this team being competitive next year. We all know Murphy needs a high level of talent to overcome the poor schemes he employs. What recruits will a lame duck coach be pulling in? This is why I say cut your losses and move on from Murphy now. If we're going to suck next year I'd rather see it with an optimistic eye for the future (think CC in 2014 and 15). Dump Murphy after the 2019-20 season and a new coach will start with absolutely nothing.

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(01-24-2019 08:48 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  We'll find out on Saturday if it's only the good competition is stifling us.

WMU is 0-6 and in last place in the MAC. A loss in Kalamazoo would be an embarrassment.

Question answered: EMU led all the way to a very, very impressive win.

We are, believe it or not, one game out of a tie for 3rd place (overall) in the MAC. Behind UB and BG everything is wide open.

I might be the only one here who believes we will finish strong the last 2/3s of the MAC schedule. Every game we will play after the BG game will be (currently) a 4 - 3 or worse MAC team.

We have taken our bitter medicine, duke, kansas, TCU, UB, UB, BG, etc. now it is time to feast on some desert.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/standings

(01-24-2019 09:14 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 08:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Okay Steve and Block E, on the offense side I would like to see the number of shot clock violations this team has had this year. Toure is really slow to rotate in the zone and we get shredded inside and also out on the outside as players are late getting to their spots. We play decent defense but not consistently. I look at games at Northeastern, home for UCIrvine and home for U of D and no this team did not look good in those games. The MAC is tough but you need to win at home. So exactly what adjustments in either the lineup or offense have either of you seen? What exactly is our offensive scheme?

For Murphy to get to 20 this year will be extremely difficult and therefore next year might be his last year. His hopes for 20 wins next year rest on guys like Bud Jones, Silver, Macdoo, Ellison, King among others. Are they ready? I'm thinking not but at least with more playing time they might improve enough to be competitive next year and let them play through their mistakes instead of yanking them out every other minute.

I'm with 79. I'm not agitated with the fact that this team loses, I'm disgusted with the way that they play. It's a steaming pile.

Hard to imagine this team being competitive next year. We all know Murphy needs a high level of talent to overcome the poor schemes he employs. What recruits will a lame duck coach be pulling in? This is why I say cut your losses and move on from Murphy now. If we're going to suck next year I'd rather see it with an optimistic eye for the future (think CC in 2014 and 15). Dump Murphy after the 2019-20 season and a new coach will start with absolutely nothing.

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After watching WMU today, I kept thinking that's us next year. We have no scorers returning. Toure and McAdoo maybe but after that.....

(01-26-2019 09:59 PM)alum93 Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 09:14 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 08:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Okay Steve and Block E, on the offense side I would like to see the number of shot clock violations this team has had this year. Toure is really slow to rotate in the zone and we get shredded inside and also out on the outside as players are late getting to their spots. We play decent defense but not consistently. I look at games at Northeastern, home for UCIrvine and home for U of D and no this team did not look good in those games. The MAC is tough but you need to win at home. So exactly what adjustments in either the lineup or offense have either of you seen? What exactly is our offensive scheme?

For Murphy to get to 20 this year will be extremely difficult and therefore next year might be his last year. His hopes for 20 wins next year rest on guys like Bud Jones, Silver, Macdoo, Ellison, King among others. Are they ready? I'm thinking not but at least with more playing time they might improve enough to be competitive next year and let them play through their mistakes instead of yanking them out every other minute.

I'm with 79. I'm not agitated with the fact that this team loses, I'm disgusted with the way that they play. It's a steaming pile.

Hard to imagine this team being competitive next year. We all know Murphy needs a high level of talent to overcome the poor schemes he employs. What recruits will a lame duck coach be pulling in? This is why I say cut your losses and move on from Murphy now. If we're going to suck next year I'd rather see it with an optimistic eye for the future (think CC in 2014 and 15). Dump Murphy after the 2019-20 season and a new coach will start with absolutely nothing.

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After watching WMU today, I kept thinking that's us next year. We have no scorers returning. Toure and McAdoo maybe but after that.....

Tisk tisk.

Don't think of the future my friend. Don't look at the big picture. All that matters is we scored a REMARKABLE win against our rivals from Kalamazoo, and all is right with our program. Now that our INSIDIOUSLY difficult schedule is behind us, WE FINALLY GET TO EAT CUPCAKES. Like Detroit. And Bowling Green.

Did I ever tell you that Bowling Green is on par with Buffalo? They are, believe you me. Anyone with any intelligence would know that. And since Miami blew them out they must be a juggernaut too.

Don't worry my friend. Murphy will get a couple grad transfers and some JUCO guys and weave them into a cohesive, selfless unit. We are in good hands.

#TimeForCupcakes

(01-26-2019 09:16 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 08:48 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  We'll find out on Saturday if it's only the good competition is stifling us.

WMU is 0-6 and in last place in the MAC. A loss in Kalamazoo would be an embarrassment.

Question answered: EMU led all the way to a very, very impressive win.

We are, believe it or not, one game out of a tie for 3rd place (overall) in the MAC. Behind UB and BG everything is wide open.

I might be the only one here who believes we will finish strong the last 2/3s of the MAC schedule. Every game we will play after the BG game will be (currently) a 4 - 3 or worse MAC team.

We have taken our bitter medicine, duke, kansas, TCU, UB, UB, BG, etc. now it is time to feast on some desert.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/standings

Sorry the end of January is the right month for drinking Kool Aid

(01-27-2019 07:30 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 09:16 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 08:48 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  We'll find out on Saturday if it's only the good competition is stifling us.

WMU is 0-6 and in last place in the MAC. A loss in Kalamazoo would be an embarrassment.

Question answered: EMU led all the way to a very, very impressive win.

We are, believe it or not, one game out of a tie for 3rd place (overall) in the MAC. Behind UB and BG everything is wide open.

I might be the only one here who believes we will finish strong the last 2/3s of the MAC schedule. Every game we will play after the BG game will be (currently) a 4 - 3 or worse MAC team.

We have taken our bitter medicine, duke, kansas, TCU, UB, UB, BG, etc. now it is time to feast on some desert.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/standings

Sorry the end of January is the right month for drinking Kool Aid

Lot of "Debbie Downers" on this board over a team which is 3 - 4 in conference with 3 losses to teams with a combined 12 - 2 record.

I was very impressed with the wins @BSU, Kent and @WMU.

As far as drinking Kool Aid. Do folks in the Midwest turn dour in January which is cold, cloudy, snowy and quite frankly not a pleasant month?

(01-27-2019 07:54 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-27-2019 07:30 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 09:16 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-24-2019 08:48 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  We'll find out on Saturday if it's only the good competition is stifling us.

WMU is 0-6 and in last place in the MAC. A loss in Kalamazoo would be an embarrassment.

Question answered: EMU led all the way to a very, very impressive win.

We are, believe it or not, one game out of a tie for 3rd place (overall) in the MAC. Behind UB and BG everything is wide open.

I might be the only one here who believes we will finish strong the last 2/3s of the MAC schedule. Every game we will play after the BG game will be (currently) a 4 - 3 or worse MAC team.

We have taken our bitter medicine, duke, kansas, TCU, UB, UB, BG, etc. now it is time to feast on some desert.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/standings

Sorry the end of January is the right month for drinking Kool Aid

Lot of "Debbie Downers" on this board over a team which is 3 - 4 in conference with 3 losses to teams with a combined 12 - 2 record.

I was very impressed with the wins @BSU, Kent and @WMU.

As far as drinking Kool Aid. Do folks in the Midwest turn dour in January which is cold, cloudy, snowy and quite frankly not a pleasant month?

Being a realist does not equate to being a Debbie Downer. Many of us can see the fact that 10-8 in MAC play is the ceiling for Murphy. The team will never be one of the dominant MAC teams and that's what we want.

Look at BG. They are getting praise for rising to the top and being part of that difficult schedule you keep reminding us of. WHEN WILL EMU BE LIKE THAT??? BG was a MAC bottom feeder just a year or two ago (although Murphyball always seemed to struggle with them).

Many of us are not content with .500 and an occasional semi-final tournament appearance. I'm also disturbed by how Murphy's teams tend to disappear in one of those big games against the top teams. The wheels fall off easily.

Time for change.