Tubby had one goal, to bury Memphis so deep we would take decades to recover.

Tubby sent away Dedric Lawson (@ top 10 Kansas Dedric is still averaging around 20 and 10, he'd be a senior here), KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Keon Clergeot. Keon was his recruit, and even he is now at UMASS averaging 7 ppg.

He replaced them with the guys we still have plus Jamal Johnson, David Nickelberry, Jesse Johnson and Malik Rhodes who all left. Did anyone ever even see Jesse Johnson, a transfer from Alabama A&M, I think?

He signed Connor Vanover#364 (5ppg 1r 0a @Cal and Myreon Jones#181 (4ppg 1r 1a @ Penn State) I'm sure he'd have found another JUCO or 2 to round out that top 200 class.

Penny signed, in a few weeks, Antwann Jones3#106, Tyler Harris#132, Alex Lomax#159, David Wingett#330, Jayden Hardaway and Isaiah Maurice.

He also added Lance Thomas#120(2017) and Ryan Boyce for 2019/20

Penny has already signed James Wiseman#1, DJ Jeffries#48, Malcolm Dandridge#135 and is in the hunt for one or 2 more good guys.

If you didn't notice... the combo of just Wingett and Lomax is a better recruiting class than what Tubby had assembled!

Overall Tubby did a pathetic job retaining talent and an even worse job recruiting, not just here at home (with 0 Memphis players) but anywhere. Overall Penny is recruiting at a top 10 level, we'll have to wait a couple months to see he he can keep the players he wants, but I have faith.

Anyone who is still comparing this team to Tubby's is either a Hardaway hater, Tubby lover or well, someone I completely disagree with.

(01-11-2019 10:42 AM)cmt Wrote:  Tubby had one goal, to bury Memphis so deep we would take decades to recover.

Tubby sent away Dedric Lawson (@ top 10 Kansas Dedric is still averaging around 20 and 10, he'd be a senior here), KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Keon Clergeot. Keon was his recruit, and even he is now at UMASS averaging 7 ppg.

He replaced them with the guys we still have plus Jamal Johnson, David Nickelberry, Jesse Johnson and Malik Rhodes who all left. Did anyone ever even see Jesse Johnson, a transfer from Alabama A&M, I think?

He signed Connor Vanover#364 (5ppg 1r 0a @Cal and Myreon Jones#181 (4ppg 1r 1a @ Penn State) I'm sure he'd have found another JUCO or 2 to round out that top 200 class.

Penny signed, in a few weeks, Antwann Jones3#106, Tyler Harris#132, Alex Lomax#159, David Wingett#330, Jayden Hardaway and Isaiah Maurice.

He also added Lance Thomas#120(2017) and Ryan Boyce for 2019/20

Penny has already signed James Wiseman#1, DJ Jeffries#48, Malcolm Dandridge#135 and is in the hunt for one or 2 more good guys.

If you didn't notice... the combo of just Wingett and Lomax is a better recruiting class than what Tubby had assembled!

Overall Tubby did a pathetic job retaining talent and an even worse job recruiting, not just here at home (with 0 Memphis players) but anywhere. Overall Penny is recruiting at a top 10 level, we'll have to wait a couple months to see he he can keep the players he wants, but I have faith.

Anyone who is still comparing this team to Tubby's is either a Hardaway hater, Tubby lover or well, someone I completely disagree with.

Completely disagree with your first and last sentences.

I disagree because doing any of that would require work. Based on observed evidence, his tenure was all about giving his worthless (in coaching ability) son a job to make the kid's mom happy.

A very poor last attempt

Tubby and Penny could not be much more different in their approaches. I do not think Tubby had ill intentions for Memphis. I simply think he was toward the end of his career, wanted out of Lubbock, got paid a fortune by a Memphis and then decided to coast and went completely lazy. He was simply riding out his final years which he know gets to do at his alma mater. More negligence and apathy than intentional malice and destruction.

Tubby's goal was mediocrity...Penny's goal is to win championships.

(01-11-2019 11:05 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  I disagree because doing any of that would require work. Based on observed evidence, his tenure was all about giving his worthless (in coaching ability) son a job to make the kid's mom happy.

I agree with Bill , but I also agree with the O.P. there is no way you could be as bad as Tubby was without trying to F things up..... Lawson is showing that either Tubby is Terrible coach or he was intentionally failing at Menphis.

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)slktigers Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:42 AM)cmt Wrote:  Tubby had one goal, to bury Memphis so deep we would take decades to recover.

Tubby sent away Dedric Lawson (@ top 10 Kansas Dedric is still averaging around 20 and 10, he'd be a senior here), KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Keon Clergeot. Keon was his recruit, and even he is now at UMASS averaging 7 ppg.

He replaced them with the guys we still have plus Jamal Johnson, David Nickelberry, Jesse Johnson and Malik Rhodes who all left. Did anyone ever even see Jesse Johnson, a transfer from Alabama A&M, I think?

He signed Connor Vanover#364 (5ppg 1r 0a @Cal and Myreon Jones#181 (4ppg 1r 1a @ Penn State) I'm sure he'd have found another JUCO or 2 to round out that top 200 class.

Penny signed, in a few weeks, Antwann Jones3#106, Tyler Harris#132, Alex Lomax#159, David Wingett#330, Jayden Hardaway and Isaiah Maurice.

He also added Lance Thomas#120(2017) and Ryan Boyce for 2019/20

Penny has already signed James Wiseman#1, DJ Jeffries#48, Malcolm Dandridge#135 and is in the hunt for one or 2 more good guys.

If you didn't notice... the combo of just Wingett and Lomax is a better recruiting class than what Tubby had assembled!

Overall Tubby did a pathetic job retaining talent and an even worse job recruiting, not just here at home (with 0 Memphis players) but anywhere. Overall Penny is recruiting at a top 10 level, we'll have to wait a couple months to see he he can keep the players he wants, but I have faith.

Anyone who is still comparing this team to Tubby's is either a Hardaway hater, Tubby lover or well, someone I completely disagree with.

Completely disagree with your first and last sentences.

SADDLE UP!

From nearly the start (eg, taking vacation and demoting Keelon and hiring his son), it was easy to discern Tubby was not the coach for Memphis. Nevertheless, some folks here experienced repeated spiteful and nasty attacks (sometimes personal) for pointing out the obvious. I am thankful Tubby’s replacement is a vast improvement.

So obviously bad! to draining the Tub!

The real blame lies with those that hired Tubby. Shame on them. They should have known what they were getting. Thankfully, they sacked up and corrected the situation before it got worse.

There is a lot of the Tubny era and how he got hired that will probably never see the light of day. And rightfully so.

(01-11-2019 11:48 AM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  The real blame lies with those that hired Tubby. Shame on them. They should have known what they were getting. Thankfully, they sacked up and corrected the situation before it got worse.

thank Rudd for that

(01-11-2019 10:42 AM)cmt Wrote:  Tubby had one goal, to bury Memphis so deep we would take decades to recover.

Tubby sent away Dedric Lawson (@ top 10 Kansas Dedric is still averaging around 20 and 10, he'd be a senior here), KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Keon Clergeot. Keon was his recruit, and even he is now at UMASS averaging 7 ppg.

He replaced them with the guys we still have plus Jamal Johnson, David Nickelberry, Jesse Johnson and Malik Rhodes who all left. Did anyone ever even see Jesse Johnson, a transfer from Alabama A&M, I think?

He signed Connor Vanover#364 (5ppg 1r 0a @Cal and Myreon Jones#181 (4ppg 1r 1a @ Penn State) I'm sure he'd have found another JUCO or 2 to round out that top 200 class.

Penny signed, in a few weeks, Antwann Jones3#106, Tyler Harris#132, Alex Lomax#159, David Wingett#330, Jayden Hardaway and Isaiah Maurice.

He also added Lance Thomas#120(2017) and Ryan Boyce for 2019/20

Penny has already signed James Wiseman#1, DJ Jeffries#48, Malcolm Dandridge#135 and is in the hunt for one or 2 more good guys.

If you didn't notice... the combo of just Wingett and Lomax is a better recruiting class than what Tubby had assembled!

Overall Tubby did a pathetic job retaining talent and an even worse job recruiting, not just here at home (with 0 Memphis players) but anywhere. Overall Penny is recruiting at a top 10 level, we'll have to wait a couple months to see he he can keep the players he wants, but I have faith.

Anyone who is still comparing this team to Tubby's is either a Hardaway hater, Tubby lover or well, someone I completely disagree with.

Any Memphis Tiger fan who hates Penny is pathetic and frankly some colorful names I can’t really type out here.

Anyone who’s missing josh or tubby has real issues. Surely we don’t have any Penny haters here on the board, right? If we do, who has the *alls to say they hate Penny?

Exactly RekeHavoc. Tubby was VERY consistent throughout his coaching career. Average was celebrated at Tulsa and Georgia who hadn't had a ton of success prior to Tubby. He was run out of Kentucky for being mediocre. Minnesota would rather gamble on a young 1st time coaching prospect from Pitino bloodline. And Texas Tech lucked out just like we did with CJP (only difference being TT didn't realize better was possible).

Tubby has and will always be vanilla. He is ok. He knows the game. He can't recruit, motivate and enforce adjustments well because he doesn't relate to players well. He isn't a leader of men. He is simply in a management role. There is a difference.

This was a hiring blunder. Tubby didn't get old and change. In fact, he stayed exactly the same regardless of what different scenarios required.

SOOOOOOO glad he isn't our problem any longer. Although he is still on the payroll.

Tubby is like the old guy in an old school company that refuses to embrace technology, refuses to keep up with the times, and has his own "system" that only he knows. He has no interest in delegating, training or any type of standard manual that anyone else at the company has access to, so that others can step in to help him do his job and make improvements. He keeps all the info to himself and is able to keep things running fairly well while he is there and pretty much keeps the entire company captive to his whims and idiosyncrasies.

When Tubby leaves, the new guy has to untangle the mess, and has to figure out all of the tricks and shortcuts that Tubby used to keep things barely afloat. He has to completely retrain everyone from scratch, asking them to forget all the stuff that they learned before. It's a very difficult process for sure. Last night we lost out on almost every loose ball, 50/50 ball and contested rebound. When we did try to rebound, we were almost always outnumbered and when we weren't we lost rebounds to a single ECU player who we had surrounded.

This group of seniors was better coached by Tubby than they have been so far with Penny, there is no doubt about that. Whether we will be able to say the same thing at the end of the season is debatable. The bottom line is that Tubby got a lot of mileage out of players that were not highly ranked; more than most can get out of similarly ranked players. This isn't a knock on any of our players even though you can see that they were outworked. You can't criticize players that are playing the exact way that they should play according to their high school and JC rankings.

The guys are performing to form, performing as they should be expected to perform. The question is, whether or not they have more in them than they are showing. We will have to wait and see.

(01-11-2019 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Tubby is like the old guy in an old school company that refuses to embrace technology, refuses to keep up with the times, and has his own "system" that only he knows. He has no interest in delegating, training or any type of standard manual that anyone else at the company has access to, so that others can step in to help him do his job and make improvements. He keeps all the info to himself and is able to keep things running fairly well while he is there and pretty much keeps the entire company captive to his whims and idiosyncrasies.

When Tubby leaves, the new guy has to untangle the mess, and has to figure out all of the tricks and shortcuts that Tubby used to keep things barely afloat. He has to completely retrain everyone from scratch, asking them to forget all the stuff that they learned before. It's a very difficult process for sure. Last night we lost out on almost every loose ball, 50/50 ball and contested rebound. When we did try to rebound, we were almost always outnumbered and when we weren't we lost rebounds to a single ECU player who we had surrounded.

This group of seniors was better coached by Tubby than they have been so far with Penny, there is no doubt about that. Whether we will be able to say the same thing at the end of the season is debatable. The bottom line is that Tubby got a lot of mileage out of players that were not highly ranked; more than most can get out of similarly ranked players. This isn't a knock on any of our players even though you can see that they were outworked. You can't criticize players that are playing the exact way that they should play according to their high school and JC rankings.

The guys are performing to form, performing as they should be expected to perform. The question is, whether or not they have more in them than they are showing. We will have to wait and see.

Be careful. You booze it, you lose it. Too early in day to be hammered.

(01-11-2019 11:24 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:47 AM)slktigers Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:42 AM)cmt Wrote:  Tubby had one goal, to bury Memphis so deep we would take decades to recover.

Tubby sent away Dedric Lawson (@ top 10 Kansas Dedric is still averaging around 20 and 10, he'd be a senior here), KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Keon Clergeot. Keon was his recruit, and even he is now at UMASS averaging 7 ppg.

He replaced them with the guys we still have plus Jamal Johnson, David Nickelberry, Jesse Johnson and Malik Rhodes who all left. Did anyone ever even see Jesse Johnson, a transfer from Alabama A&M, I think?

He signed Connor Vanover#364 (5ppg 1r 0a @Cal and Myreon Jones#181 (4ppg 1r 1a @ Penn State) I'm sure he'd have found another JUCO or 2 to round out that top 200 class.

Penny signed, in a few weeks, Antwann Jones3#106, Tyler Harris#132, Alex Lomax#159, David Wingett#330, Jayden Hardaway and Isaiah Maurice.

He also added Lance Thomas#120(2017) and Ryan Boyce for 2019/20

Penny has already signed James Wiseman#1, DJ Jeffries#48, Malcolm Dandridge#135 and is in the hunt for one or 2 more good guys.

If you didn't notice... the combo of just Wingett and Lomax is a better recruiting class than what Tubby had assembled!

Overall Tubby did a pathetic job retaining talent and an even worse job recruiting, not just here at home (with 0 Memphis players) but anywhere. Overall Penny is recruiting at a top 10 level, we'll have to wait a couple months to see he he can keep the players he wants, but I have faith.

Anyone who is still comparing this team to Tubby's is either a Hardaway hater, Tubby lover or well, someone I completely disagree with.

Completely disagree with your first and last sentences.

SADDLE UP!

This GIF never gets old.

I just feel bad Ginuwine has Tubby's face on him on the interwebs...

I think Tubby was once a very good coach and a legitimate HOF level leader.

Those days were past, he is no longer a top level coach due to lack of energy and fire, generally that he is retirement material at this point.

He was a terrible hire, but a good man.

I'm glad he's gone, I wish him well at HPU, and will happily speak well of him as a FORMER Memphis HC.