(12-12-2018 03:10 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It’s still early though but it’s pathetic reading some of the excuses here.

LSU fans will show up regardless. This Fiesta Bowl might remind me of the Oklahoma-UConn one years ago. It was a sea of red and I’m sure it’ll be all purple and yellow in three weeks.

The Fiesta is the perfect bowl for a Western G5 though.

OU is snowbird territory, Midwestern in that respect. LSU is swamplands, never known LSU to travel beyond the South.

A reality of US migration, there are few Southerners in the West. You will find large numbers of Midwesterners and Northerners. Sooners in the West share that with Hoosiers, Badgers, Illini, Hawkeyes, Huskers, Buckeyes and Wolverines you find everywhere here (also a large greater NYC contingent). So any school from those regions not only has their traveling band, they also have a local population of fans who will come. But that doesn't exist here for SEC or other southern schools.

Besides Boise State (and Indy BYU), no western G5 has a fan base of any significance to travel. That said Fresno State vs Arizona State in a pre-Christams Las Vegas (UNLV's dreadful stadium and before most people go on winter vacation) is going for more than twice the price of the Fiesta Bowl.

I do think the Fiesta Bowl will fill up, but it will include a large number of indifferent locals who bought to tickets from some gas station or supermarket promotion. It's just not anything to get all excited for if you are and LSU fan, to play some G5 school in the desert. Like whatever.

(12-12-2018 05:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 03:10 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It’s still early though but it’s pathetic reading some of the excuses here.

LSU fans will show up regardless. This Fiesta Bowl might remind me of the Oklahoma-UConn one years ago. It was a sea of red and I’m sure it’ll be all purple and yellow in three weeks.

The Fiesta is the perfect bowl for a Western G5 though.

OU is snowbird territory, Midwestern in that respect. LSU is swamplands, never known LSU to travel beyond the South.

Maybe not, but IIRC, in November 2006 when there were reports that LSU might be going to the Rose Bowl, they officially pre-sold more than 40,000 tickets at around $140 each, and again that was without being announced for the bowl - and they ended up in the Sugar Bowl.

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

(12-12-2018 03:10 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  It’s still early though but it’s pathetic reading some of the excuses here.

LSU fans will show up regardless. This Fiesta Bowl might remind me of the Oklahoma-UConn one years ago. It was a sea of red and I’m sure it’ll be all purple and yellow in three weeks.

The Fiesta is the perfect bowl for a Western G5 though.

Was at (by pure accident because I was doing New Years in Tempe) the 2005 Fiesta Bowl: Utah vs Pitt
The little boys (Utah) packed the place
The big boys (Pitt) brought 0 fans

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

(12-12-2018 02:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

None of that mattered when Ohio State played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl a few years ago.

Also: Faraway suburb? Would ticket prices on the secondary market be 10 times higher if the game was played in Tempe? No.

It’ll often take 70-90 minutes from Tempe/Scottsdale/Mesa/etc to Glendale’s Westgate district for games. It’s a faraway suburb from that standpoint because it deters a significant amount of locals’ desire to attend. Thus, a bowl game in Glendale won’t carry that local grassroots support you see in comparable bowls.

(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It's hilarious watching UCF buffoons trip all over themselves. The Peach Bowl didn't sell out last year in "record time", lowly UCF sold out its allotment in record time - for UCF, not for anyone else. And the Peach Bowl selling out is no big deal, it sits in the heart of SEC country and always features an SEC team, unless its a playoff. IIRC it has sold out the last 10 years. It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

The Peach wanted *nothing* to do with UCF, and passed them off to the Fiesta Bowl like a Hot Potato. Couldn't dump them out west fast enough.

(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It's hilarious watching UCF buffoons trip all over themselves. The Peach Bowl didn't sell out last year in "record time", lowly UCF sold out its allotment in record time - for UCF, not for anyone else. And the Peach Bowl selling out is no big deal, it sits in the heart of SEC country and always features an SEC team, unless its a playoff. IIRC it has sold out the last 10 years. It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

The Peach wanted *nothing* to do with UCF, and passed them off to the Fiesta Bowl like a Hot Potato. Couldn't dump them out west fast enough.

How did USF do with there NY6 Bowl allotment?.... oh wait.... USF has never sniffed a NY6 bowl... or even a conference championship.

USF has lost 5 straight games and is playing a CUSA team in the Gasparilla Bowl. Even though the bowl is in Tampa, I am quite sure you won't even have 20k "butts in seats" for this game.

(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It's hilarious watching UCF buffoons trip all over themselves. The Peach Bowl didn't sell out last year in "record time", lowly UCF sold out its allotment in record time - for UCF, not for anyone else. And the Peach Bowl selling out is no big deal, it sits in the heart of SEC country and always features an SEC team, unless its a playoff. IIRC it has sold out the last 10 years. It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

The Peach wanted *nothing* to do with UCF, and passed them off to the Fiesta Bowl like a Hot Potato. Couldn't dump them out west fast enough.

Yes, the Peach passed over UCF for 2 schools who were bluebloods before UCF even fielded a football team. This is reaching blind hate territory.

lay the blame where it belongs CFP committee
Mich vs Wash St in Fiesta
LSU vs UCF in Peach

(12-12-2018 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  These are the cheapest single tickets available, as of the date/time of this post:

NY6:


Rose Bowl ............... Ohio State vs Washington ... $175

Orange Bowl (CFP) ... Alabama vs Oklahoma ....... $152

Cotton Bowl (CFP) ..... Clemson vs Notre Dame ...... $142

Sugar Bowl ............. Georgia vs Texas ................ $106

Peach Bowl ............. Florida vs Michigan ............... $91

Fiesta Bowl ............. LSU vs UCF ......................... $12


Some low-end G5 bowls:

New Orleans Bowl ....... App State vs Middle Tennessee .... $30

Dollar General Bowl ..... Troy vs Buffalo ........................... $32

Celebration Bowl (FCS) ... NCAT vs Alcorn State ................ $52

Cure Bowl .................... ULL vs Tulane ........................... $16

Camelia Bowl ............... GSU vs EMU .............................. $50

Boca Bowl .................... NIU vs UAB ............................... $25


.... and you wonder why no NY6 wanted UCF?

Well that's about a buck higher than the regular season cost on the family plan at UCF. But it's about $63 under what L.S.U. would charge for a G5 team on their home schedule.

This is precisely why the Big 12 didn't expand! Capiche! Oh, and by the way, it's exactly why a P5 doesn't do home and home's with schools that seat maybe 50,000, and don't charge enough for their home tickets to make the trip worthwhile. It has zero to do with anything but money! Nada!

didn't see family plan
180 to 50 bucks a game with donation for 90% of stadium
that SEC prices

(12-12-2018 08:00 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It's hilarious watching UCF buffoons trip all over themselves. The Peach Bowl didn't sell out last year in "record time", lowly UCF sold out its allotment in record time - for UCF, not for anyone else. And the Peach Bowl selling out is no big deal, it sits in the heart of SEC country and always features an SEC team, unless its a playoff. IIRC it has sold out the last 10 years. It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

The Peach wanted *nothing* to do with UCF, and passed them off to the Fiesta Bowl like a Hot Potato. Couldn't dump them out west fast enough.

Yes, the Peach passed over UCF for 2 schools who were bluebloods before UCF even fielded a football team. This is reaching blind hate territory.

You mean "were bluebloods before UCF was even a thought in the minds of the Florida Legislature", right

(12-12-2018 01:16 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Cheapest available on the secondary market. For two teams from schools in Gulf states to go out to Arizona.

It's just not a good pairing in general, imo. It's not the playoff, and there's no local team. It's a tough sell.

agree, put the same 2 teams in Sugar, Peach, or even Citrus bowl and you have a great crowd.

(12-13-2018 02:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  These are the cheapest single tickets available, as of the date/time of this post:

NY6:


Rose Bowl ............... Ohio State vs Washington ... $175

Orange Bowl (CFP) ... Alabama vs Oklahoma ....... $152

Cotton Bowl (CFP) ..... Clemson vs Notre Dame ...... $142

Sugar Bowl ............. Georgia vs Texas ................ $106

Peach Bowl ............. Florida vs Michigan ............... $91

Fiesta Bowl ............. LSU vs UCF ......................... $12


Some low-end G5 bowls:

New Orleans Bowl ....... App State vs Middle Tennessee .... $30

Dollar General Bowl ..... Troy vs Buffalo ........................... $32

Celebration Bowl (FCS) ... NCAT vs Alcorn State ................ $52

Cure Bowl .................... ULL vs Tulane ........................... $16

Camelia Bowl ............... GSU vs EMU .............................. $50

Boca Bowl .................... NIU vs UAB ............................... $25


.... and you wonder why no NY6 wanted UCF?

Well that's about a buck higher than the regular season cost on the family plan at UCF. But it's about $63 under what L.S.U. would charge for a G5 team on their home schedule.

This is precisely why the Big 12 didn't expand! Capiche! Oh, and by the way, it's exactly why a P5 doesn't do home and home's with schools that seat maybe 50,000, and don't charge enough for their home tickets to make the trip worthwhile. It has zero to do with anything but money! Nada!

Anecdotal, but SC @ UCF 2013 was one of the toughest tickets I've ever tried to get. Think we ended up paying like $80 apiece for endzone seats. Gainesville, Knoxville, CoMo, Nashville, and Oxford were all cheaper. Athens is always the toughest but that's a quasi-rivalry game and SC brings a ton of fans.

Quick Lane Bowl
Minnesota v Georgia Tech
$5

Independence Bowl
Temple v Duke
$8

Texas Bowl
Baylor v Vanderbilt
$6

Sun Bowl
Stanford v Pittsburgh
$11

Holiday Bowl
Northwestern v Utah
$8

Above are all the bowl games with secondary market tickets starting below that of the Fiesta Bowl. Notice 9 of the 10 teams are from A5 conferences.

(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:52 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Of the 5 locations on that list, 4 are in or near CFB havens and 1 is in a faraway suburb dominated by a retiree population in an area that’s never supported sports well with 2 extremely faraway teams.

And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

Fantasyland quo at it again. Peach Bowl sold out this year before teams were announced because ticket buyers get access to face value semifinal tickets next year. I know those crazy locals that reside in fantasyland dont like facts, so carry on in your circus.

(12-13-2018 12:34 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  lay the blame where it belongs CFP committee
Mich vs Wash St in Fiesta
LSU vs UCF in Peach

Yes, those were the obvious plain as day matchups and locations.

But, it's also plain as day that the Cotton, Peach, and Fiesta have an understanding with the CFP to treat the G5 school as a hot potato that nobody gets stuck with two years in a row. And the Peach had no desire to host UCF again.

As I said, this isn't aimed particularly at UCF. Had it been Boise or any other G5, the Peach would have had the same attitude. But the notion put forward by some UCF fans that the Peach wanted UCF again this year is ridonculous. The last team they wanted was UCF, which is why the Fiesta has them.

(12-13-2018 09:54 AM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

Fantasyland quo at it again. Peach Bowl sold out this year before teams were announced because ticket buyers get access to face value semifinal tickets next year. I know those crazy locals that reside in fantasyland dont like facts, so carry on in your circus.

Silly o-town at it again: he claims Peach Bowl sold out in 'record time' last year with zero evidence - apparently he has confused UCF selling out its allotment to a bowl game in record time with the bowl doing so.

But feel free to post link saying Peach sold out in record time last year. You've presented no facts to back that up despite allegedly valuing facts.

As for this year, it doesn't matter why the Peach sold out before teams were announced, the fact is it did, and as I said, the Peach selling out is zero kind of big deal because it routinely sells out, it's a rare thing when it doesn't.

What everyone with a brain knows is that the reason UCF is in Tempe this year is because the Peach had no desire to have UCF again this year.

(12-12-2018 08:00 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 07:10 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 05:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 10:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  And yet NIU vs UAB is doing OK.

I mean you are green with envy... if only USF could get to a NY6 bowl...but year after year...after dreary year...USF has not been up to the job.

Trolling about ticket prices is some weak sauce.

Fantasyland quo sure does like to cherry pick. Peachbowl sold out in record time last year........ but lets ignore that fact. Lets try to stay in reality.

It's hilarious watching UCF buffoons trip all over themselves. The Peach Bowl didn't sell out last year in "record time", lowly UCF sold out its allotment in record time - for UCF, not for anyone else. And the Peach Bowl selling out is no big deal, it sits in the heart of SEC country and always features an SEC team, unless its a playoff. IIRC it has sold out the last 10 years. It sold out this year before the teams were even announced, LOL.

The Peach wanted *nothing* to do with UCF, and passed them off to the Fiesta Bowl like a Hot Potato. Couldn't dump them out west fast enough.

Yes, the Peach passed over UCF for 2 schools who were bluebloods before UCF even fielded a football team. This is reaching blind hate territory.

You don't seem to grasp the issue here: I responded to UCF fans who boasted that the Peach *wanted* UCF again this year. That's not true, they obviously didn't, and you agree with me. So if I'm hating, you are too. But FWIW, while I don't think you are a blind hater, for an NIU fan, you do seem to have a big hair up your arse about what happens to UCF, why, I don't know.